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Could it be a player from the club playing with another club?If the comment from Caro is correct that they are still at the club
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Could it be a player from the club playing with another club?If the comment from Caro is correct that they are still at the club
No, facts and feelings have to be evaluated together in these cases.
It may fall that whoever ‘arbitrates’ this says JK was ‘ignorant of appropriate behaviours towards Shannyn......BUT.....there is no clear evidence of a racial slur.’
This is why I keep saying...you cannot take an extreme position in these things....there’s way too much ‘grey’.
Pretty sure thats what I wrote...twice....about ‘taking ownership of feelings’ and ‘must be supported by evidence’
But as you’re clearly so myopic about the subject you don’t even read others posts properly...I’ll leave it here and do something more intellectually rewarding...like cutting my toenails.
Actually my BAD. I read ‘disgree’ as agree. I’ll delete my post.And I'm pretty sure I stated who I was responding to which wasn't you.
Maybe you could go reply to the person who came up with that tripe and set them straight.
Actually my BAD. I read ‘disgree’ as agree. I’ll delete my post.
Apologies.
And I'm pretty sure I stated who I was responding to which wasn't you.
Maybe you could go reply to the person who came up with that tripe and set them straight.
You paint an image of the aftermath of a successful war against racism, but the soldiers are now going after everyday impoliteness for something to do, but treating it with the same urgency (sackings, rejected apologies, media storms, etc)For what its worth I think you’ve both got a. handle on it.
Racism IS about how the victim feels....but the ‘victim’ can’t just ‘invent’ something as being racist.
In my experience, its only in the blatant examples...like calling someone an ‘ape’....that there’s a clear case to answer.
In most cases it’s either ‘casual’ assumptions or plain insensitivity.
I don't disagree with anything you say.
I was just responding to his post where he says white people don't get to tell black people what is racist which is a ridiculous statement.
If someone makes a ludicrous claim and then claims its racist then the skin colour of the person asking for context and evidence is irrelevant.
For what its worth I think you’ve both got a. handle on it.
Racism IS about how the victim feels....but the ‘victim’ can’t just ‘invent’ something as being racist.
In my experience, its only in the blatant examples...like calling someone an ‘ape’....that there’s a clear case to answer.
In most cases it’s either ‘casual’ assumptions or plain insensitivity.
lol * off thats not what I said at allAssuming someone's oppression by how they look is some of the most insidiously racist and counter productive things white people have invented.
You assigned the status of oppressed based on race.lol fu** off thats not what I said at all
we've got people here saying that the Rioli's are wrong about the racism they experienced while at the Hawks
and they think they are in a position to judge this which they are not
When discussing racism?
The perpetuation of the idea that non white people are oppressed and white people are oppressors is highly racist.
I'm not suggesting that you are racist, but starting with the assumption that someone non white has had an oppressed life and vice versa is highly racist.
The culture of assumption and generalizations are what lead to a culture of not caring about context or intent.
My wife (and kids) is black and she would have your head for making the assumption she is oppressedWhen discussing racism?
Some black cultures are significantly more oppressed than others.My wife (and kids) is black and she would have your head for making the assumption she is oppressed
For someone saying we’re not allowed to judge when any person who happens to be a POC says how they feel, you sure seem to be good at reading their thoughts...but that doesn’t mean she is not aware she comes from an oppressed minority - and her ’radar’ will be tuned as such.
For someone saying we’re not allowed to judge when any person who happens to be a POC says how they feel, you sure seem to be good at reading their thoughts.
But of course she DID feel that way...because she raised it as an issue.For someone saying we’re not allowed to judge when any person who happens to be a POC says how they feel, you sure seem to be good at reading their thoughts.
absolutely. It’s the assumption that all people of a race are the same that I know she absolutely hates.Some black cultures are significantly more oppressed than others.
First Nation young black males in country WA vs Indian background living in Melbourne for example.
For what its worth I think you’ve both got a. handle on it.
Racism IS about how the victim feels....but the ‘victim’ can’t just ‘invent’ something as being racist.
In my experience, its only in the blatant examples...like calling someone an ‘ape’....that there’s a clear case to answer.
In most cases it’s either ‘casual’ assumptions or plain insensitivity.
it boils down to the oppressor not getting to tell the oppressed how they should feel
Yes, you're right again.....all First Nation people are blissfully unaware that there are trolls like you out there waiting to undermine their situation.
How could I be so presumptuous to assume they feel they should be treated in a better way. Silly me.
Dual replies to the same post, calling me stupid numerous times now. I think you need to cool your jets - I don’t appreciate it.But of course she DID feel that way...because she raised it as an issue.
So am I wrong for stating what is clear and obvious to all, or is she wrong for not ‘sucking it up’ as you expect her to....
....or are you a mindless idiot boy who the Admin have allowed to troll this discussion far too long?
Yeah I’m not seeing a difference hereI didn't say that, I said white people don't get to tell black people what is racist to black people