Willie Rioli "on leave" from Port Adelaide after social media post

[FrankDrebin]

They don't mention the name during the mourning period, after that it is no different to anyone. Jokes, mentions, stories etc much like what Dunstall did.

Then why do they always have warnings etc at the beginning of news stories that mention a deceased indigenous person (even one that has been deceased for some time)? Not being a smartarse, genuinely don't know the answer. I assume the mention of someone that has passed has different meaning than in the culture I'm used to / grew up in.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Unless there's something Dunstall said which I'm not aware of it seems as though he was making a light-hearted joke to his own fitness and Willie Snr just copped a stray.

At the time no one seemed to be offended and the commentators/ footy folk around that night didn't think anything of it but now because his son is apparently offended, it's suddenly a taboo topic?

Willie needs to toughen up a bit and I would say that if the teams were reversed as well.

From what I've heard Dunstall can be arrogant etc etc but there was absolutely no malice in that at all and any whinging surrounding the joke shouldn't even be given the time of day.

Hawthorn fan thinks that Indigenous player should harden up about jokes made about his father.

Surprising.

 

[Wargreymon90]

If it's just Rioli taking a couple of days to clear his head, then that's fine. If it's Port Adelaide forcing him away as a sort of punishment for his social media comments then that's weak stuff.

Stand by your player.

I would be livid if we are punishing him in any way

 

[Gough]

With everything we know about Hawthorn's history right up to our very recent past Rioli's story is completely believable. So sad.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Then if this happens there should be zero complaints when the waves of anger come back in return. Outside of people breaking the law by making threats of course.

Rioli opened himself up to this. He gets what he deserves.

Well if you mentality reflects your club attitude, then you might have a few players short for the next game as you indigenous players might go "on leave" also.

 

[sexyhunk]

Hawthorn fan thinks that Indigenous player should harden up about jokes made about his father.

Surprising.

to be fair the couple of top shelf idiots in this thread dont represent their whole fan base.

Also, I dont see what the issue is if a player dont like another club, who cares if a player dont like collingwood, adeleiade or whoever and made it known.

 

[jim boy]

But the Dunstall comments were made last year; the criticism should have been made at the time of the comments not the morning after the Port/Hawks game

Did he though? I could be wrong, but I cannot any find mention of Dunstall in the deleted post. As far as I can work out, all Rioli said was that he hated Hawthorn due to what they did to his dad and family. It was Jon Ralph who speculated about Dunstall.

 

[iameviljez]

to be fair the couple of top shelf idiots in this thread dont represent their whole fan base.

Also, I dont see what the issue is if a player dont like another club, who cares if a player dont like collingwood, adeleiade or whoever and made it known.

Paul Chapman was the best thing to happen to the Geelong-Hawthorn Easter Monday clash.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

Also, I dont see what the issue is if a player dont like another club, who cares if a player dont like collingwood, adeleiade or whoever and made it known.

There is rivalry hate and there is racial hate. I think these are mutually exclusive to each other.

 

[sexyhunk]

There is rivalry hate and there is racial hate. I think these are mutually exclusive to each other.

yes there is the family element in this incidence but do you believe there wont be the same big hoopla if say conor rozee posted "I hate hawthorn"?

people still talk about it and he be force to take the post down and so on.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Hawthorn fan thinks that Indigenous player should harden up about jokes made about his father.

Surprising.

His race has nothing to do with it.

He's a sook if someone calling is Dad a barrel with legs ruins his day.

 

[Underarm]

Then why do they always have warnings etc at the beginning of news stories that mention a deceased indigenous person (even one that has been deceased for some time)? Not being a smartarse, genuinely don't know the answer. I assume the mention of someone that has passed has different meaning than in the culture I'm used to / grew up in.

Just an abundance of caution.

Different nations/tribes/families have different rules and traditions around this, and then each person decides for themselves how strict they follow said rules.

 

[sexyhunk]

Paul Chapman was the best thing to happen to the Geelong-Hawthorn Easter Monday clash.

and true to the great man word, he never lost a game to hawthorn after declaring it.

 

[iameviljez]

and true to the great man word, he never lost a game to hawthorn after declaring it.

Not actually true I'm afraid.

AFL Tables - Essendon v Hawthorn - Fri, 28-Mar-2014 7:50 PM (6:50 PM) - Match Stats

 

[Jedi01]

Thanks for the lesson. Ever heard the expression "don't speak ill of the dead"? The tenor of Dunstall's comments were in poor taste, a weird choice for a legend speech, and I think the vast majority of people could understand why they wouldn't have say well with Willie.

His story was his response to the prior speeches by teammates and coaches relating to him being overweight and unfit. Personally I don't see any issues with the speech, but I am not Willie.

 

[iameviljez]

Just an abundance of caution.

Different nations/tribes/families have different rules and traditions around this, and then each person decides for themselves how strict they follow said rules.

One of the big mistakes Australia makes wrt indigenous people is assuming them to be homogenous.

 

[iameviljez]

Thanks for the lesson. Ever heard the expression "don't speak ill of the dead"?

I think this is an increasingly outdated sentiment and it's far from universally held, especially with (at the extreme end) the rise of disgraceful conduct of famous figures emerging after their death. I think it's now far more common - especially among younger people - for us to take the view that death is universal, it happens to all of us, and it shouldn't change how we speak of people.

 

[sexyhunk]

Not actually true I'm afraid.

AFL Tables - Essendon v Hawthorn - Fri, 28-Mar-2014 7:50 PM (6:50 PM) - Match Stats

chappy in any other color is not chappy.

 

[Jedi01]

Then why do they always have warnings etc at the beginning of news stories that mention a deceased indigenous person (even one that has been deceased for some time)? Not being a smartarse, genuinely don't know the answer. I assume the mention of someone that has passed has different meaning than in the culture I'm used to / grew up in.

I would say it stated initially as only for recently deceased and gradually expanded until it was easier just to always have it.

But should clarify my experiences are from living in the Territory. With hundreds of Aboriginal tribes in Australia, everything varies.

 

[The Terrible Thinker]

yes there is the family element in this incidence but do you believe there wont be the same big hoopla if say conor rozee posted "I hate hawthorn"?

people still talk about it and he be force to take the post down and so on.

Well there was some banter prior to a Showdown where the word hate was used against the opposition club in public which caused a stir but that was "BANTER".

Other cultures don't perceive banter very well, as often they experience the hate part also.

 

[Handsuper47]

I'm not cool with it but I can understand it, social media is filled with toxic and hate-filled vultures who want nothing more than to spread misery to everyone they can and when it comes to sensitive topics like racism it's a good thing to step back and not post, not browse, not anything on those platforms. People won't understand the full picture no matter how you try to explain it.

 

[ferball]

This is Tony Wilson, captain of the 1991 Hawthorn u19s team reflecting on Willie Rioli

15

Willie Rioli

Age

30

Ht

175cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.6

3star

Jr's dad.

"I was captain, and remember one afternoon at Arden Street, having to ask some of our players to stop racially abusing North Melbourne’s Indigenous players, 'because everything you say to them, you’re saying to Willie too'.

"Willie didn’t play any senior games. Maybe he was too small. More likely he was too early. He was a star when he returned to the friendlier environs of South Fremantle in the WAFL."

Forgotten blight on AFL’s greatest game: Blackface on Hawthorn’s 1989 Grand Final banner

The forgotten ugly blight on AFL’s greatest game

www.foxsports.com.au

I like that he only thought about stopping the abuse his players were dishing out because he had an indigenous player in his side. Without that he'd obviously have been okay with it tho too his credit he seems to have matured and changed his ways. Its worth noting that he thinks Jr's old man was good enough to play seniors but wan't picked because he was "too early" - ie Hawthorn wouldn't pick black players at that point in history.

He also hints at the treatment the older Rioli copped at Hawthorn when he describes "the friendlier environs of South Fremantle". A club with a history of treating indigenous players with some decency.

 

[rdhopkins2]

No excuses for those idiots who allegedly racially abused Rioli. Not on in this day and age (and never should be been throughout the sad history of Anglo-Indigenous Australian relations. Be better.

 

[bigfarter]

Then if this happens there should be zero complaints when the waves of anger come back in return. Outside of people breaking the law by making threats of course.

Rioli opened himself up to this. He gets what he deserves.

What did he say that warranted anger? Let alone harassment and abuse online? You saying he should shut up because people are going to be being horrible and racist is some real “she shouldn’t have gone out dressed like that” energy. How about putting the responsibility on people who behave like pieces of crap?

 

[PerthBoy86]

I like hearing players share their honest, unfiltered thoughts and feelings. Wish they'd do it more in the media too.