Willie Rioli "on leave" from Port Adelaide after social media post

[CrowToon]

And isn’t it wonderful that non-Aboriginal people are finally having the courage to stand up for Aboriginal people. Many Aboriginals have a lack of trust in police, government, authority, courts and non-Aboriginal culture. The more people stand together the more that trust is built and then Aboriginals that need to be empowered will be able to take agency for themselves.

You completely miss the point to the extent that it just reinforces your view that they are a people not equal to yourself.

Non-indigenous people have taken this to a narrative that hasn't even been confirmed by the person in question.

You are assuming Willie feels a certain way. Let the man speak for himself.

You have no right to assume that because of past issues within a culture that no single one of them is able to speak out.

Many First Nations people have achieved remarkable things and they dont all automatically need Australians of european descent jumping to their rescue immediately.

 

[CrowToon]

I have the strong suspicion that Dunstall's comments aren't the meat of the issue here, it'll be how Rioli Sr was treated at Hawthorn in general, and the same with Cyril Rioli.

That would make sense. But let's let Willie tell the story.

 

[Underarm]

Bit of history here.

I've watched all the Rioli clan play, from Sebastian through to Maurice Jnr. Sebbie could play, but he was known as the keg on legs, ran like the wind and oozed class for 15 minutes, then needed a breather. Willie came later, but was never thought of in the same class as Sebbie or Maurice.

I remember he was drafted by Hawthorn, but never made the senior team. I see that Jason made the keg comment in his speech, which I see as Jason admitting he was a poor runner and pointing out that he beat Willie. It was a fact, Willie was beaten by Jason, and the keg comment aligns with my comment about his brother Sebbie. Nothing racial or "putting the boots in", it was an athletic truth. If this was said about my fathers sporting career, I'd have a chuckle and be thankful that Jason remember my old man.

They've all been built the same, Daniel the outlier but he's a foot taller.

Never been great endurance runners, but as a fan there's nothing more exhilarating watching MJ and Dan hunt their opponents or a loose ball.

 

[Dan]

I don’t endorse racist comments towards players but at the same time…..don’t throw stones and then the next day claim to be a victim.

You can’t act like the hammer and not expect to be the nail at some point.

 

[iameviljez]

That would make sense. But let's let Willie tell the story.

Yeah good luck with that. He tried once and got told it was the inappropriate form

 

[iameviljez]

I don’t endorse racist comments towards players but at the same time…..don’t throw stones and then the next day claim to be a victim.

You can’t act like the hammer and not expect to be the nail at some point.

Except one side is accusing the other of poor treatment of Aboriginal children players, and the other is sending disgusting racist DMs.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Did Hawthorn fold and restart since 1990?

Huh? Are you saying that Hawthorn should be labelled a racist club because of incidents over 30 years ago?

Come on man.

The current group have nothing to do with Hawthorn 10 years ago, let alone 35 years ago.

What did Mal Brown say about indig guys being cannibals? What about the reasons Chol wanted to leave under Dimma?

Lets not pretend this isnt a league wide issue, but I think you know that and are using this to score some little jabs.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Its actually more like, the AFL tagged his instagram account in a post showing his second goal of the game, and showing the ball to Jiath.

Then he copped a heap of racist messages.

He also made a post himself about his dislike of Hawthorn.

And then copped more.

Mate you should see the shit Jiath gets sent to him weekly. From hawks fans and non hawks fans.

People trying to make this an issue specific to one club are a joke.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Mate you should see the shit Jiath gets sent to him weekly. From hawks fans and non hawks fans.

People trying to make this an issue specific to one club are a joke.

Worse. They’re part of the problem

 

[CrowToon]

Yeah good luck with that. He tried once and got told it was the inappropriate form

Seemed pretty open and relaxed about it in the 9news doorstop. Another big fat L for the people being offended on another person's behalf.

 

[PerthBoy86]

I don’t mind that he stated on social media that he hates the club I support. It’s his right to state that. he obviously feels that at some stage in the past his family were harshly dealt with by Hawthorn and there is some discontent there.

Some people may have taken offence, with what he wrote, which is also fine. What isn’t fine is morons using it as an excuse to racially vilify him. Argue with what he wrote What isn’t fine is if he has been stood down by expressing his opinion.

As a player, I loathe him, he is in the same category as Paul Chapman, Cameron Ling and a couple of others. I use the term loathe, as these players always lifted their team when it mattered the most, quite often resulting in a loss for the team I support.

On a side note, hearing Dunstall’s speech, where he made mention of a keg on legs, my first thought went to David Boon, as I always referred to Boon as the Keg on Legs.

As an Eagles fan I was a little salty with the way he left us, but don't mind that he got another chance at Port. Still gave us some pretty memorable moments over the years. It is a shame there is still racial abuse in this day and age, no matter how much, but it does not surprise. I guess it can get heated when you attack someone's club, and there was a lot of feeling with the recent events at Hawthorn.

 

[Underarm]

Huh? Are you saying that Hawthorn should be labelled a racist club because of incidents over 30 years ago?

Come on man.

I just don't think Hawthorn fc or their fans should be so dismissive of Willie Jr's allegations, just based on the fact that it happened 35 years ago and it didn't come to light until now.

Clubs are perpetual beings. Yes the hawthorn that you support were a more racist club back in the 80s and 90s compared to comparative clubs. Thats part of the clubs history.

That doesn't mean they are now, but you can't change that past.

 

[ReturningHawk]

Have you ever heard the way he speaks about Polly Farmer? he loved the bloke

West Coast fans “we never booed Adam Goodes more than other fans”
Collingwood fans “our problems are behind us”
Geelong fans “Sam Newman isn’t that bad”

All here to show you what taking responsibility for racism looks like.

 

[ferball]

I guess one that actually moderates its content/users properly. So not Meta or Twitter

So a forum that would have censored what he said.

 

[ferball]

I have the strong suspicion that Dunstall's comments aren't the meat of the issue here, it'll be how Rioli Sr was treated at Hawthorn in general, and the same with Cyril Rioli.

Of course that's what its about. Linking it solely to Dunstall's comments is deflection.

 

[masai tu]

Now apply the filter of Dunstall poking fun at a recently deceased First Nations person.

I don’t think Dunstall knew the offense he might cause, but he seems to have lacked any cultural awareness of how it might be taken.

What date were Jason's comment made ?, and the Willie Snr date of passing. This is where a problem occurs, "cultural sensitivities". How long before we are able to regale in players stories, who have passed away ?.

Within days of Vin Waites passing, I heard some boisterous stories about Vin.

I honestly think that Jason was having a fun time when he made the comments, there was zero thought of demeaning Willie Snr. With this incident, context is the main thing to be looked at. Fun comments at a footy function, turned into "demeaning" words.

 

[ferball]

You completely miss the point to the extent that it just reinforces your view that they are a people not equal to yourself.

Non-indigenous people have taken this to a narrative that hasn't even been confirmed by the person in question.

You are assuming Willie feels a certain way. Let the man speak for himself.

You have no right to assume that because of past issues within a culture that no single one of them is able to speak out.

Many First Nations people have achieved remarkable things and they dont all automatically need Australians of european descent jumping to their rescue immediately.

This is a hilarious comment.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I honestly think that Jason was having a fun time when he made the comments, there was zero thought of demeaning Willie Snr. With this incident, context is the main thing to be looked at. Fun comments at a footy function, turned into "demeaning" words.

Dunstall's entire story is punching down on a young indigenous player. Its not self deprecating about Dunstall, its all told with a slant of "I was fat and not atheltic, but hurhur Willie Rioli was even fatter. And then we cut him and sent him home. Hurhur how funny is that?".

 

[Redline]

I don’t endorse racist comments towards players but at the same time…..don’t throw stones and then the next day claim to be a victim.

You can’t act like the hammer and not expect to be the nail at some point.

What seems to have been lost is It all started with him showing the ball before kicking that goal and copping some criticism. He then tried to justify it.

I haven't agreed with any of it since then but this all seems fairly convenient.

 

[Padova]

What seems to have been lost is It all started with him showing the ball before kicking that goal and copping some criticism. He then tried to justify it.

Exactly, I was just going to write the same.

Isn't the problem here that Rioli felt he had to explain why he showed the ball to CJ?

I recall the AFL not standing for that type of behaviour when Bolton showed the ball to Docherty.

Though the AFL has stood by alleged rapists (some of them indigenous) before by allowing them to continue playing. The AFL culture is funny like that.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

What seems to have been lost is It all started with him showing the ball before kicking that goal and copping some criticism. He then tried to justify it.

I haven't agreed with any of it since then but this all seems fairly convenient.

Let me guess, you're also in the camp that Robbie Young said some mean things to Matt Crouch.

I recall the AFL not standing for that type of behaviour when Bolton showed the ball to Docherty.

Everyone loved it when Watson did it to Whitfield two weeks earlier.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Yeah good luck with that. He tried once and got told it was the inappropriate form

To which he obviously agreed and understands.

 

[ReturningHawk]

What forum should he have used instead?

One that didn't make his views public.

One where he didn’t attach the word hatred to a game of football. One where he didn’t refer to a “cococlub” in a video that features black and indigenous Hawthorn players. All Hawthorn people were hurt a little bit by his post, but I guarantee that it’s Impey, Amon, Burgoyne and Wingard who are top of the list. All former port players as well.

In general, players “hateposting” on social media post game is not a good thing.

 

[Cam Payne]

Have you ever heard the way he speaks about Polly Farmer? he loved the bloke

Sam liked the fact that at that time Polly made sure he never spoke about being indigenous. Sam has stated that publicly. He liked him cos he denied who he was.

 

[Redline]

Let me guess, you're also in the camp that Robbie Young said some mean things to Matt Crouch.


Everyone loved it when Watson did it to Whitfield two weeks earlier.

Did everyone love it? I didnt

Tex was 100% in the wrong and got off lightly but you go withever works for you.