Willie Rioli "on leave" from Port Adelaide after social media post

[TruRoo]

Oh poor dale. Runs the length of the field, gets in Riolis face, strikes him, then takes a dive holding his face after being struck in the chest.
Poor Dale, my heart goes out to him & other diving stagers

Given Dale is a defender and mudguts is a forward I don’t imagine Dale would’ve had to run the length of the field.

Even if they were at opposite ends Dale could’ve lightly jogged up to where fatty was keeled over trying to catch his breath.

 

[SC_Power]

Given Dale is a defender and mudguts is a forward I don’t imagine Dale would’ve had to run the length of the field.

Even if they were at opposite ends Dale could’ve lightly jogged up to where fatty was keeled over trying to catch his breath.

Is that you, Dunstall?

 

[TruRoo]

Is that you, Dunstall?

No kochie, it isn’t

 

[SC_Power]

No kochie, it isn’t

Now that’s just insulting.

 

[Bald]

We've gone nowhere near the embarassment of a 55 year old man deciding he can decide what is culturally insensitive to a person from the Tiwi Islands.

Is it any wonder that a certain, highly talented Indigenous player is currently facing many issues that he doesn't want to be anywhere near the Bulldogs Football Club?

I need it explained to me why it's ok that Kochie (a 69 year old white man) decides something is culturally insensitive, whilst Bevo (a 55 year old white man) decides it isn't.

Also - Jamarra wants to be at the club, but the club has decided he needs to be elsewhere whilst he works through his issues, as to not enable the behaviour and use his background as a cop out for his shit decisions.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I need it explained to me why it's ok that Kochie (a 69 year old white man) decides something is culturally insensitive, whilst Bevo (a 55 year old white man) decides it isn't.

Do you reckon it might be because Kochie had direct feedback from his employee as opposed to Bevo just having an opinion..?

 

[Outtatym]

Do you reckon it might be because Kochie had direct feedback from his employee as opposed to Bevo just having an opinion..?

And you think Bevo doesn't have direct feedback from the bloke involved? Christ

 

[Bald]

Do you reckon it might be because Kochie had direct feedback from his employee as opposed to Bevo just having an opinion..?

Of course - but why are you quick to assume Bevo's is an opinion? Couldn't you apply the same logic to Bevo's response as Kochie's initial claims?

 

[TruRoo]

Now that’s just insulting.

At least I didn’t call you fat. That would’ve been culturally insensitive

 

[Tugga27]

I’m sure by AFL player standards, he’s been called fat a thousand times by opponents and fans and he wouldn’t have cared and certainly not reacted like he has recently. That’s equivalent to the simple case of booing a player, just because.

It’s not just that in this case, as far as I’m aware. There’s a further context on the additional words allegedly used which people are leaving out. (Notice how no one involved incl Bevo have come out and said “Dale said this exactly”)
Cultural references that have been used for many a year against indigenous players and body shapes, that was common media fodder as little as 15-20 years ago.
Some people are only just learning about this other end of the spectrum now.

No
But Bevo has talked to the players and said "nothing culturally insensitive" was said.

Bevo has integrity whereas Willie couldn't even spell it.

I know you're a Port fan but really, you're trying to defend the indefensible here.

 

[SC_Power]

No
But Bevo has talked to the players and said "nothing culturally insensitive" was said.

Bevo has integrity whereas Willie couldn't even spell it.

I know you're a Port fan but really, you're trying to defend the indefensible here.

Really, of all the things you could have written, you wrote “Bevo has integrity?”
You really went there? Wow.

 

[Tugga27]

Really, of all the things you could have written, you wrote “Bevo has integrity?”
You really went there? Wow.

If that's the best you can do mate, probably best to move on.

 

[SC_Power]

If that's the best you can do mate, probably best to move on.

Hey you raised it, not me.

I’ve got a bunch of comments in this thread that you all disagree with, so why would I rehash them again?

 

[Tugga27]

Hey you raised it, not me.

I’ve got a bunch of comments in this thread that you all disagree with, so why would I rehash them again?

Exactly.
Willie's playing today.

Let it go fella.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

And you think Bevo doesn't have direct feedback from the bloke involved? Christ

Bevo didnt say nothing was said though, just that he didnt think it was racist.
Thing is, its not Bevo's place to say how Willie should receive what was said.
It doesnt have to be 'rscist' to be 'culturally insensitive'.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Of course - but why are you quick to assume Bevo's is an opinion? Couldn't you apply the same logic to Bevo's response as Kochie's initial claims?

Not when Willie is an employed of one and nothing to do with the other.

 

[Bald]

Not when Willie is an employed of one and nothing to do with the other.

But again, you're jumping to conclusions here. I'm open-minded and willing to change my view with new information — but for now, this is how I see it. David Koch and Luke Beveridge both know what was said. One of them has since been educated on whether it was insensitive, and the other hasn’t. Which side of that fence you sit on is totally up to you.

I think Bevo is right in how he sees the comments, and my conclusion is pretty simple. Just a couple of weeks ago, Willie used his Instagram — where he tends to overshare — to call out Hawthorn for how he felt they treated his family and people of his culture. But when given the chance to do the same against the Dogs, all he said to Bailey was that if he can’t take it, he shouldn’t dish it out. He mentioned nothing about what anybody said to him.

Then, after sleeping on it, he used Instagram again — but instead of calling out specific comments or behaviour, he chose to threaten someone with violence. That says a lot.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

But again, you're jumping to conclusions here. I'm open-minded and willing to change my view with new information — but for now, this is how I see it. David Koch and Luke Beveridge both know what was said. One of them has since been educated on whether it was insensitive, and the other hasn’t. Which side of that fence you sit on is totally up to you.

I think Bevo is right in how he sees the comments, and my conclusion is pretty simple. Just a couple of weeks ago, Willie used his Instagram — where he tends to overshare — to call out Hawthorn for how he felt they treated his family and people of his culture. But when given the chance to do the same against the Dogs, all he said to Bailey was that if he can’t take it, he shouldn’t dish it out. He mentioned nothing about what anybody said to him.

Then, after sleeping on it, he used Instagram again — but instead of calling out specific comments or behaviour, he chose to threaten someone with violence. That says a lot.

Of course thats how you'd see it, and be wrong, like Bevo, because like him, you haven't spoken to Willie.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

You're talking utter shit.
Trying to put this back onto the dogs based off the spin of your dickhead chairman.

You should try reading the article from former Geelong player Matthew Stokes.

Given Dale is a defender and mudguts is a forward I don’t imagine Dale would’ve had to run the length of the field.

Even if they were at opposite ends Dale could’ve lightly jogged up to where fatty was keeled over trying to catch his breath.

The fact that you go with mud in describing an Indigenous player tells us a lot.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

No
But Bevo has talked to the players and said "nothing culturally insensitive" was said.

Bevo has integrity whereas Willie couldn't even spell it.

I know you're a Port fan but really, you're trying to defend the indefensible here.

Yeah Bevo and his white players decided there was nothing culturally insensitive to an Indigenous man.

And you're trying to claim others are defending the indefensible.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You should try reading the article from former Geelong player Matthew Stokes.

Not interested in Mathew's off topic musings on the matter.
He has abused three players that we know of and Port are despicable trying to crowbar completely separate racial issues into this.

While you can sympathize with the racial vilification he'd have received in his career. In these instances he's the aggressor and should be treated as such.

 

[Bald]

Yeah Bevo and his white players decided there was nothing culturally insensitive to an Indigenous man.

And you're trying to claim others are defending the indefensible.

As opposed to David Koch deciding there was something culturally insensitive to an indigenous man.

Not once has Willie (who is usually outspoken on such things) said anything insensitive was said, and instead went with the "if you can't take it don't give it".

When the majority of people agree with Bevo, and the only people agreeing with Willie are the people that support the team he plays for, there's probably something in that.

 

[campbell]

No
But Bevo has talked to the players and said "nothing culturally insensitive" was said.

Bevo has integrity whereas Willie couldn't even spell it.

I know you're a Port fan but really, you're trying to defend the indefensible here.

oh my, really...

 

[TruRoo]

The fact that you go with mud in describing an Indigenous player tells us a lot.

**** me this is deplorable pearl clutching from you.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

As opposed to David Koch deciding there was something culturally insensitive to an indigenous man.

David Koch didn't decide this. He spoke to the Indigenous man and has been informed of these culturally insensitive sledges.

Not once has Willie (who is usually outspoken on such things) said anything insensitive was said, and instead went with the "if you can't take it don't give it".

That was in reference to the massive flop from Bailey Dale after a love tap.

But I mean seriously, this thread is full of people claiming the guy who took a giant flop is one with integrity.

If the Bulldogs actually had integrity they'd hand back the 2016 Premiership.

When the majority of people agree with Bevo, and the only people agreeing with Willie are the people that support the team he plays for, there's probably something in that.

Yeah well there were a lot of people that agreed with booing Adam Goodes as well.