Have Geelong become too powerful?

[Milanista28]

Merk my words, Geelong will recruit Curnow on a reduced contract and Curnow's Torquay Bathhouse will get a sick expansion in the next few years.

I'd be shocked if Carlton could be satisfied by the Cats, it's not possible unless they sell really cheap.

 

[catstorm]

I'd be shocked if Carlton could be satisfied by the Cats, it's not possible unless they sell really cheap.

Yeah honestly it’s fanciful stuff, Curnow can nominate us all he likes but just can’t see any way this deal gets done.

We just don’t have the assets to trade.

 

[LordLucifer]

But why does it have to be unfortunate?
Should it not be something other clubs can replicate which in turn can help the game grow and excel in the coming decades?

It's a level playing field for everyone, it's just that Geelong are working the system way more strategically & professionally than most of the other clubs, nothing wrong with that either.

The big issue is that the other clubs keep going making utterly woeful business decisions that eventually mean they need to be bailed out by the AFL. Being rewarded for shite management via a secret herbs & spices formula is not the way it should be.

My proposal is completely transparent and easy to follow, it also gives the teams down the bottom the chance to move up the ladder a lot quicker if they are smarter with what they do.

If they keep butchering it after that, then be it on their head.

 

[King Patty]

Could make the same argument for Brisbane.

Brisbane will bring in Gun academy kid rated top 5 this year and picked up 2 free agents that attracts a first round compo pick - Allen and Draper.

Geelong will get Worpel under free agency not on as big deals as Draper or Allen - but have no academy star and they may chase Curnow or Marhsall but will need to trade them in.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Unfortunately, we are just going to have to admit they are the best at recruitment and development.

I think the two go hand in hand.

Geelong have been freakishly good at blooding and developing young players with senior superstars still driving the bus

They've been able to get superstar senior guys from other clubs consistently to be the big dogs, and let young guys play roles whilst they develop.

 

[PhatBoy]

It's a level playing field for everyone, it's just that Geelong are working the system way more strategically & professionally than most of the other clubs, nothing wrong with that either.

The big issue is that the other clubs keep going making utterly woeful business decisions that eventually mean they need to be bailed out by the AFL. Being rewarded for shite management via a secret herbs & spices formula is not the way it should be.

My proposal is completely transparent and easy to follow, it also gives the teams down the bottom the chance to move up the ladder a lot quicker if they are smarter with what they do.

If they keep butchering it after that, then be it on their head.

The problem I see with a suggestion like yours is that if the teams in the bottom 8 were competent it tips the balance too far towards them.

The challenge in any sporting competition is twofold: to somehow work your way to the top, but also to stay there. You don’t want to make it impossible for the handful of clubs that have earned the right to be consistently battling for titles to keep doing it for the 4-5 years they should be there because you’ve handed half a dozen teams below them a bunch of artificial advantages.

As I’ve regularly pointed out, this century the ONLY team in the NRL that has consistently f**ked everything up despite there being no draft whatsoever is the Titans and we all know how much of a sporting black hole the Gold Coast has generally been for a long time.

Despite the Storm and Roosters being almost permanently seared into the top 8 virtually everyone has had a ping at it whether it’s through junior development, money, just getting lucky with 1-2 insanely good players or looking outside the box like South Sydney did with the Burgess brothers coming across from England (notwithstanding that it’s a game where due to lower player numbers, 1-2 gun players can have a bigger impact than in AFL).

It’s very hard to feel sympathy for the teams who are causing this imbalance issue. Even West Coast - who knows, they may be back up within 3-4 years and people will be saying ‘well it was tough while it lasted but it’s only been a little over a decade since their last comp.’

The Saints had a red hot go at it and twice in as many years were so close. They’ve had some lean years but they are hardly a basket case, they recently made finals.

North have been tragic for a decade but before that were consistent finalists albeit not competitive in terms of challenging for a title. They realistically should be in the mix for the 8 in the next few years. Richmond are hardly a long way removed from a golden era.

Really this is about two clubs who have had a very long period of sustained failure. One of them looked poised to break out of it two years ago but a combination of factors have thwarted that and they’ve regressed sharply.

The other - well who knows what it will take to fix it. But revamping the entire system on that basis, when in recent times we have seen the likes of the Cats, Dogs, Melbourne and almost St Kilda break droughts of 40-50 years without any meaningful success, and even the Lions for that matter who didn’t exactly have a ‘long’ wait but were aside from the expansion teams, the least competitive team for most of the 2010s come roaring back to life, is an overreaction IMO

 

[Munich]

If Geelong win this GF by like 100 points they need to be broken up and disbanded somehow

Yes, somehow

 

[iameviljez]

I think the two go hand in hand.

Geelong have been freakishly good at blooding and developing young players with senior superstars still driving the bus

They've been able to get superstar senior guys from other clubs consistently to be the big dogs, and let young guys play roles whilst they develop.

Yep, exactly this.

While we have done incredibly well with guys like Dempsey and O'Sullivan, there is the fact that three of our four "break glass in emergency" players this year (Danger, Cameron, Smith and Holmes) are superstar recruits from other teams. It does kind of help.

 

[My Tilly]

They've been able to get superstar senior guys from other clubs consistently to be the big dogs, and let young guys play roles whilst they develop.

I am not sure about that.
When you say superstars, Cameron and Dangerfield are the only two who were proven champions when they came to us.
Players like Z.Smith, Dahlhaus, Henderson, Tuohy, Stanley were hardly wanted commodities by their former clubs when Geelong came a knocking.

Brisbane brought in Beams, Cameron, Daniher, Neale and it paid off handsomely.

 

[Mr Meow]

Piss off, you are being silly now.

You are one step away from being hostile and abusive.

 

[Mr Meow]

I am not sure about that.
When you say superstars, Cameron and Dangerfield are the only two who were proven champions when they came to us.
Players like Z.Smith, Dahlhaus, Henderson, Tuohy, Stanley were hardly wanted commodities by their former clubs when Geelong came a knocking.

Brisbane brought in Beams, Cameron, Daniher, Neale and it paid off handsomely.

People are furious because Smith, who so easily could've been a bust, has lifted to an All Australian level in his first season back from an ACL. Hence he was a "superstar" when we got him.

People laughed at us getting players such as Stanley and Rohan at the time. We brought in plenty of underwhelming players too. Our recent gravity defying feat is actually more down to drafting. The past 5 or 6 years we've done very well on that front.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Geelong have internal systems & standards that they follow and unfortunately, clearly they work very well.

What also helps them is that a lot of the opposition clubs are plainly dumb in the way they manage their players making it easier for them to get picked off.

The AFL's equalisation measures are also flawed which make it easier for the the clubs up the top to exploit. When you have a complete dope like Dillon running the show, this will continue for eternity.

This recent change to the F/S system that is coming in is also flawed. Once again, the AFL make a poor decision to a serious issue especially as some clubs have benefited greatly from it.

There are two things that the AFL urgently needs to do to rectify this overall farce they call equalisation.

(1) dramatically increase the points value for draft picks (e.g. #1 is not worth 5000 points, #2 is worth 4750, #3 is worth 4500 etc)

This means that clubs up the top of the ladder who want one of those picks at the top of the draft then have to trade something of real value (a decent player or two) to get it instead of continually stockpiling the goodies and paying bugger-all for them.

(2) give all clubs who did not play in the finals an extra pre-round one draft pick

Call it the "equalisation round" (at present, it would be picks 1-10), the clubs with these picks effecrtively have the first 20 picks in the overall draft meaning that they get access to the cream of the dradft pool. Once again, it forces the clubs up the top of the ladder having to trade a player or two of real value if they want to get their hands on one of the equalisation picks.

This also means that priority picks & charity handouts are pernanently scrapped because in principle, all cellar dwellers get a priority pick because they didn't play finals.

Lastly, the Free Agency comnpensation picks have to be scrapped as well.

People reading this will be scratching their heads and saying it won't work because they will only be looking at the immediate short-term effect on their club, not the longterm benefits which will only be measurable & understandable after 5-7 years of this new system.

By the way, if there are clubs who cannot get their house in order and benefit from this proposed system then that is on them, there has to be a line in the sand somewhere.

Hawthorn rebuilt from 2020 back to finals in 2024.
Adelaide rebuilt from 2020 to minor premiers in 2025.

It can be done quickly and efficiently if you don't **** it up.

 

[Wojcinski]

Hawthorn rebuilt from 2020 back to finals in 2024.
Adelaide rebuilt from 2020 to minor premiers in 2025.

It can be done quickly and efficiently if you don't **** it up.

hey Carlton is only 30 years into their rebuild, give them time

 

[LordLucifer]

Hawthorn rebuilt from 2020 back to finals in 2024.
Adelaide rebuilt from 2020 to minor premiers in 2025.

It can be done quickly and efficiently if you don't **** it up.

The key word there is "if", too often they **** it up.

 

[LordLucifer]

hey Carlton is only 30 years into their rebuild, give them time

And it is killing me ............

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

'How the 'salary dump' deal turbo-charged the Cats' drive for glory.'

Very interesting article. The deal was wrong on so many levels and should never been allowed.

How the 'salary dump' deal turbo-charged the Cats' drive for glory

Geelong midfielders Jack Bowes and Jhye Clark on the unusual 2022 trade that has paid off in spades

www.afl.com.au

 

[My Tilly]

The deal was wrong on so many levels and should never been allowed.

How so?

 

[catstorm]

'How the 'salary dump' deal turbo-charged the Cats' drive for glory.'

Very interesting article. The deal was wrong on so many levels and should never been allowed.

How the 'salary dump' deal turbo-charged the Cats' drive for glory

Geelong midfielders Jack Bowes and Jhye Clark on the unusual 2022 trade that has paid off in spades

www.afl.com.au

Ah yes two fringe players that both struggle to hold down a spot in the team are what’s improved us.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

How so?

Because you got gifted a player and a pick 7.

 

[My Tilly]

Because you got gifted a player and a pick 7.

You received pick 6 for Daniel Rioli. How can you possibly justify that?

The only way (I would presume), is to always try and deal with Gold Coast as they have no fu**ing clue.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

You received pick 6 for Daniel Rioli. How can you possibly justify that?

The only way (I would presume), is to always try and deal with Gold Coast as they have no fu**ing clue.

Bowes chose Geelong, he should have been made to go to the lowest club.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

'How the 'salary dump' deal turbo-charged the Cats' drive for glory.'

Very interesting article. The deal was wrong on so many levels and should never been allowed.

How the 'salary dump' deal turbo-charged the Cats' drive for glory

Geelong midfielders Jack Bowes and Jhye Clark on the unusual 2022 trade that has paid off in spades

www.afl.com.au

Interesting take given we're constantly being told we lost that trade

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Interesting take given we're constantly being told we lost that trade

What? No one has said you lost that trade.There was no trade , it was a gift.

 

[STPer18]

Bowes chose Geelong, he should have been made to go to the lowest club.

"Sorry Jack, you're contracted and all and we really need your money off the books but you MUST go to the bottom club because Aristotle Pickett doesn't want you going to Geelong."

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

"Sorry Jack, you're contracted and all and we really need your money off the books but you MUST go to the bottom club because Aristotle Pickett doesn't want you going to Geelong."

Not because of me, because of the Integrity of the AFL.