2007-2016 Geelong Cats Vs. Hawthorn Hawks

[Judd2Sewell]

Close but not close enough.

Scarlett over lake at fullback-easily

Corey into the centre and Mitchell to the bench-easily

lol - that's all this posts warrants.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Its not a case of Geelong became crap and Hawthorn have stayed at the same level. 2009-11 was a major revamp with a number of new players brought in.

This thread is a bit dumb in a few ways - the period is very long. 2008 had Roughy, Birch, Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge and Rioli. Another 16 players came in by 2013. Totally different team.

Same with Geelong.

You could argue that when we had our peak 12-15 Cats did not get a look in. And Home and Away wins aren't really that relevant. Even if they are - I repeat - these games were awesome (even if painful for us).

Isn't the saying a week is a long time in footy? This is 10 years - impossible to draw any sort of conclusions apart from both obviously being great sides at one time or another during this period.

I'm not sure why this hasn't been rolled into one of the other 5 threads on basically the same topic?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

lol - that's all this posts warrants.

Surely Scarlett over Lake can't be argued against?

 

[HolyWars]

Close but not close enough.

Scarlett over lake at fullback-easily

Corey into the centre and Mitchell to the bench-easily

Just going to assume that you got stuck into the booze early last night.

 

[threesixpio]

If you were to combine the two great sides you'd get the below. I can't imagine that this side would lose a single game.

Enright - Lake - Scarlett
Hodge (C) - Taylor - Gibson
Smith - Mitchell - Bartel
Gunston - Franklin - Johnson
Rioli - Roughie - Chapman

Ottens - Ablett - Selwood (vc)
INT: Burgoyne, Corey, Lewis, Ling

Unlucky: Birchall, Stratton, Kelly, Milburn, Hale (no second ruck)

Not including: Crawford or Danger.

That side is silly good

 

[threesixpio]

Hawthorn. They beat them in 2008 FFs.

/thread

 

[threesixpio]

Isn't the saying a week is a long time in footy? This is 10 years - impossible to draw any sort of conclusions apart from both obviously being great sides at one time or another during this period.

I'm not sure why this hasn't been rolled into one of the other 5 threads on basically the same topic?

It is getting dull isn't it? Lol

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Surely Scarlett over Lake can't be argued against?

Maybe Lake only plays if he has the FB spot, whereas Scarlett had a bit more utility about him?

 

[threesixpio]

Surely Scarlett over Lake can't be argued against?

Having both would be nice anyway you look at it. Depends what type of fwd line is playing re positioning

 

[Hawkk]

Again, they've done that 3 times, including 51-52 which is considered VFL history. But by all means don't let facts get in the way of a good story

So you've done it once in the VFL/AFL then. Albeit not with the current team.

I guess if you include VFA, Hawthorn can include Night Series honours. So Hawthorn has b2b'ed in 1968-69, 1985-86, 1988-89, 1991-92, 2013-14 and 2014-15. With a decent opportunity to add 2015-16 to the list. While Geelong has b2b'ed in 1878-79, 1879-80, 1882-83, 1983-84 and 1951-52. Happy?

 

[Wojcinski]

So you've done it once in the VFL/AFL then. Albeit not with the current team.

I guess if you include VFA, Hawthorn can include Night Series honours. So Hawthorn has b2b'ed in 1968-69, 1985-86, 1988-89, 1991-92, 2013-14 and 2014-15. With a decent opportunity to add 2015-16 to the list. While Geelong has b2b'ed in 1878-79, 1879-80, 1882-83, 1983-84 and 1951-52. Happy?

I didn't ask for any of that as IDGAF, I was answering your question.

At this rate you're gonna steal FOTY off TazSqwark

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Surely Scarlett over Lake can't be argued against?

Why would one be chosen over the other? Both would clearly be in the same side, and out of the two Lake would play as FB on the key forwards with Scarlett being given more freedom. Do you argue that this isn't how Scarlett played the last several years of his career? Lake can't do what Scarlett did in that regard.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Maybe Lake only plays if he has the FB spot, whereas Scarlett had a bit more utility about him?

Yeah this is my point. You'd let Scarlett run-off and do his thing, and let Lake tackle any monster forwards.

 

[TheFourPillars]

It's not even up for debate that the St.Kilda side of 2009 would have trounced the Fremantle side of 2013. They were far superior in every aspect.

Freo 2013: 16 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw, 134%
Saints 2009: 20 wins, 2 losses, 155%, minor premiers.

And for comparisons sake.

Swans 2014: 17 wins, 5 losses, 142%
Eagles 2015: 16 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw, 148%
Magpies 2011: 20 wins, 2 losses, 168%

It's nothing to be ashamed of, you guys couldn't control who you played in the Grand Finals. It just so happened that you managed to find yourself matched up against weak interstate opposition. It's just that those teams wouldn't hold a candle to contenders of previous years pre-2012.

hahaha. You're spinning it one way i could spin it another. What do those stats really mean? Well could it be that there werent many good sides apart from the top 2 or 3 sides no real competition in the competition at that time just 2 or 3 dominant sides. Its the reason why the cats, st kilda and collingwood had such brilliant seasons. No sides to take it up to them. I would argue that there were more sides of quality in the comp post 2011

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

First page of this thread I look at - how did I know you'd be in here slinging s**t around?

You should probably take up some interests outside of football.

Pot......kettle.

 

[Hawkk]

hahaha. You're spinning it one way i could spin it another. What do those stats really mean? Well could it be that there werent many good sides apart from the top 2 or 3 sides no real competition in the competition at that time just 2 or 3 dominant sides. Its the reason why the cats, st kilda and collingwood had such brilliant seasons. No sides to take it up to them. I would argue that there were more sides of quality in the comp post 2011

Sounds like you are describing 2011 to a tee. Hawthorn went 18-4 with a one dimensional game plan, no key defender, with no Roughead for half a season...

 

[Yuley95]

Maybe Lake only plays if he has the FB spot, whereas Scarlett had a bit more utility about him?

Thats how I read it. Call them what you want, the ball isn't getting past that back line and its coming back with interest.

 

[MC_9]

It's not even up for debate that the St.Kilda side of 2009 would have trounced the Fremantle side of 2013. They were far superior in every aspect.

Freo 2013: 16 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw, 134%
Saints 2009: 20 wins, 2 losses, 155%, minor premiers.

And for comparisons sake.

Swans 2014: 17 wins, 5 losses, 142%
Eagles 2015: 16 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw, 148%
Magpies 2011: 20 wins, 2 losses, 168%

It's nothing to be ashamed of, you guys couldn't control who you played in the Grand Finals. It just so happened that you managed to find yourself matched up against weak interstate opposition. It's just that those teams wouldn't hold a candle to contenders of previous years pre-2012.

All that really shows is the rest of the competition that year was poor comparatively.

If you look at the squiggle; which takes into account the strength of the competition, it shows Fremantle and St Kilda both super defensive sides. Incredibly similar teams.

And on a side note, it shows Hawthorn in a significantly stronger position.

 

[Hawkk]

On squiggle strength is it possible to rank the 7 premierships in terms of off / def strength?

 

[HolyWars]

The squiggle has arrived! Final Siren

 

[DrEvil_]

It's not even up for debate that the St.Kilda side of 2009 would have trounced the Fremantle side of 2013. They were far superior in every aspect.

Freo 2013: 16 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw, 134%
Saints 2009: 20 wins, 2 losses, 155%, minor premiers.

And for comparisons sake.

Swans 2014: 17 wins, 5 losses, 142%
Eagles 2015: 16 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw, 148%
Magpies 2011: 20 wins, 2 losses, 168%

It's nothing to be ashamed of, you guys couldn't control who you played in the Grand Finals. It just so happened that you managed to find yourself matched up against weak interstate opposition. It's just that those teams wouldn't hold a candle to contenders of previous years pre-2012.

Hey where's that 21-1 side in your comparison? The fact that Hawthorn beat the best ever GF loser in history should be enough to settle the argument.

 

[catters05]

At the end of the day, these two teams have produced some epics and have been great watching for the neutrals. These two have lifted the standard compared to a lot of other dud games around.

 

[MC_9]

On squiggle strength is it possible to rank the 7 premierships in terms of off / def strength?

Just quickly eyeballing

1. Geelong 2011
2. Hawthorn 2015
3. Geelong 2007
4. Hawthorn 2014
5. Hawthorn 2013
6. Hawthorn 2008
7. Geelong 2009

Also note that 15,07 and 14 are all very close together.

 

[Hawkk]

Just quickly eyeballing

1. Geelong 2011
2. Hawthorn 2015
3. Geelong 2007
4. Hawthorn 2014
5. Hawthorn 2013
6. Hawthorn 2008
7. Geelong 2009

Also note that 15,07 and 14 are all very close together.

So Geelong 2009 was the Bradbury flag. How ironic...

 

[Sub_Zero]

Hawthorn easily