Play Nice 2019 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

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AstroboyUK

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I've run tricky businesses but I don't know what the A-league can do strategically to fix itself; its constrained on all sides.

Small fish in Australia, but needs to act like a big fish (ala RU)
Franchise Model that is leveraging owner's willingness to continue to absorb losses over an extended period and their a quid-pro-quo of decision making power
Lost enthusiasm of the general public and reverting to the historic mean of interest.
National Team no longer the PR talisman it was.
Previous Hubris means it has few friends outside its core supporters. Will need to work very hard to find allies in a time of need.
TV ratings very low, almost vanishing from general public view,
Crowds in downwards spiral
Corporate sponsorship falling
New franchise threatening to be a liability not a panacea


The only thing I can see working for it to reverse the negative spiral and turn it positive is actually for it to bottom out, and somehow turn itself into the underdog league once more. This was part of the original novelty/feel good factor of A-League. But it turned itself from underdog made good into a Gadfly Pretender trying to push others around The league cant allow itself to fail but it can 're-set' its benchmarks: ie 'we're small' and set expectations to match. Then its small crowds and ratings and footprint are no longer causes for death-riding ridicule, but a starting point from which 'things are getting better, get on board'.
 

BringBackTorps

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The NBL, riding on a crest of a wave of improving crowds & ratings, is soon almost certain to establish an NBL team in Hobart.


GR Basketball is growing strongly in Tasmania, as is GR soccer- both at record levels.
Male GR AF club & school competition nos. have been in a long term decline in Tasmania- & the once magnificent Tasmanian recruitment gold mine of star players into the VFL/AFL has, tragically, been greatly diminishing.

Will the introduction of a Tasmanian NBL team provide a stimulus for the AFL to "rescue" the neglected & demoralised Tasmanian GR AF- by introducing a Tas. 19th team into the AFL (which is being widely predicted,starting c. 2025)?
 

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Aussie in exile

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The NBL, riding on a crest of a wave of improving crowds & ratings, is soon almost certain to establish an NBL team in Hobart.


GR Basketball is growing strongly in Tasmania, as is GR soccer- both at record levels.
Male GR AF club & school competition nos. have been in a long term decline in Tasmania- & the once magnificent Tasmanian recruitment gold mine of star players into the VFL/AFL has, tragically, been greatly diminishing.

Will the introduction of a Tasmanian NBL team provide a stimulus for the AFL to "rescue" the neglected & demoralised Tasmanian GR AF- by introducing a Tas. 19th team into the AFL (which is being widely predicted,starting c. 2025)?
They should in my opinion had a AFL team in Tassie before GWS and the GCS. Just saying
 

jatz14

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The NBL, riding on a crest of a wave of improving crowds & ratings, is soon almost certain to establish an NBL team in Hobart.


GR Basketball is growing strongly in Tasmania, as is GR soccer- both at record levels.
Male GR AF club & school competition nos. have been in a long term decline in Tasmania- & the once magnificent Tasmanian recruitment gold mine of star players into the VFL/AFL has, tragically, been greatly diminishing.

Will the introduction of a Tasmanian NBL team provide a stimulus for the AFL to "rescue" the neglected & demoralised Tasmanian GR AF- by introducing a Tas. 19th team into the AFL (which is being widely predicted,starting c. 2025)?
Do not think the NBL having a team in Tasmania will have an effect on the AFL one way or the other.
 

Our Game

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Another massive 600 crowd( looks like they might have counted twice as well going by the TV)on a perfect night in Melbourne at the Womens soccer last and as I said before the ABC is wasting OUR money on broadcasting this rubbish that clearly not very many people apart from friends and family are interested in.
 

jatz14

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Another massive 600 crowd( looks like they might have counted twice as well going by the TV)on a perfect night in Melbourne at the Womens soccer last and as I said before the ABC is wasting OUR money on broadcasting this rubbish that clearly not very many people apart from friends and family are interested in.
W league ratings compare well to A league ratings.

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BobbyMorri

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Another massive 600 crowd( looks like they might have counted twice as well going by the TV)on a perfect night in Melbourne at the Womens soccer last and as I said before the ABC is wasting OUR money on broadcasting this rubbish that clearly not very many people apart from friends and family are interested in.
that is the reason why they are telecasting it. ABC are promoting women's sport. I very much doubt it is costing them much.

If a government TV channel is going to broadcast sports, it should be sports which need it and has little or no demand. The aim should not be ratings but building an audience and promoting sport as a healthy activity

Edit: thought I post an article from 2014 when they cut the WNBL and W-League. Makes my point more clear.
 
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Ned_Flanders

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It's ridiculous given the club has a generic name. Why not Wyndham United if that's the point of the club? They're going to have fu** all fans regardless in the short term, at least that would give them a bit of an identity that might help them out long term.



I can only envisage 1 of 3 things.
- The investors are incredibly dumb
- The investors are massive, massive soccer fans with far too much money
- There's some serious under the table sh*t that no-one's found out about yet

Have to say though that this is genuinely the most fascinating off field sports story I can remember. Secret investors, huge payments that make no sense, big plans that make even less sense. It's got everything.
depends upon the size of the land parcel

for example, Williams Landing was 275 hectares around the old RAAF base, and was a $1.5b development.

A quick google showed the site listed as the address for the stadium development (1160 Sayers Road) is 133 hectares

Also the council had a redevelopment plan for this in 2013/14, had plans to have a $55m aquatic centre as a cornerstone of the redevelopment in 2015, went to tender in 2017, and look to have tried again more recently.

As such, this is a piece of land that have been trying to urbanize for 7 years now, but for whatever reason it has remained untouched (i couldnt find any obvious reasons, but there was some opposition in council to the cost of the aquatic centre.

Also realestate.com.au is saying the land was sold in 2009 for $27m, so a bad guess would be thats when council bought it up
 

Rabman

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Looks like another racial incidence in the premier league overnight. Alleged monkey chants directed at a Chelsea player from Tottenham supporters was highlighted by the player which the Chelsea captain then reported the match official. Once again sky sports pundit Gary Neville laid some of the blame for this on both the political parties in Britain who have been seen to be fueling this type of behavior. There have been suggestions that players should start walking off the field in protest towards this behavior. Graeme Souness slammed the PFA for being weak and worrying to much of PR and not taking a stronger stand in protecting players. All pundits agreed unanimously that governing bodies need to take a stronger stand in the fight against racism with stronger bands and stronger ad campaigns to start highlighting the issue.

 
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Mr Taswegian

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The NBL, riding on a crest of a wave of improving crowds & ratings, is soon almost certain to establish an NBL team in Hobart.


GR Basketball is growing strongly in Tasmania, as is GR soccer- both at record levels.
Male GR AF club & school competition nos. have been in a long term decline in Tasmania- & the once magnificent Tasmanian recruitment gold mine of star players into the VFL/AFL has, tragically, been greatly diminishing.

Will the introduction of a Tasmanian NBL team provide a stimulus for the AFL to "rescue" the neglected & demoralised Tasmanian GR AF- by introducing a Tas. 19th team into the AFL (which is being widely predicted,starting c. 2025)?
The afl wont just give tasmania just because they want it,the afl have never said they plan on expanding anytime soon, even with a very good business case it probaly wont happen for another 10 to 20 years.
 

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Aussie in exile

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Looks like another racial incidence in the premier league overnight. Alleged monkey chants directed at a Chelsea player from Tottenham supporters was highlighted by the player which the Chelsea captain then reported the match official. Once again sky sports pundit Gary Neville laid some of the blame for this on both the political parties in Britain who have been seen to be fueling this type of behavior. There have been suggestions that players should start walking off the field in protest towards this behavior. Graeme Souness slammed the PFA for being weak and worrying to much of PR and not taking a stronger stand in protecting players. All pundits agreed unanimously that governing bodies need to take a stronger stand in the fight against racism with stronger bands and stronger ad campaigns to start highlighting the issue.

Nothing will be done as the premier league and the English FA have the ostrich system = heads in the sand.
For them its all about the corporate pound in this case.
 

Rob

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The Melbourne Derby was actually 17,083 and is the lowest of the 29 played so far. None of the others had dropped below 20k. Previous low 20,083 in 2017-18.
It's like they killed the Melbourne derby by bringing in another team. Suddenly it's just another game, like most Vic v Vic games in the AFL.
 

Cmarsh

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It's like they killed the Melbourne derby by bringing in another team. Suddenly it's just another game, like most Vic v Vic games in the AFL.
I wonder if Macarther coming in next season will have a similar effect on the Sydney derby.
 

Gigantor

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I wonder if Macarther coming in next season will have a similar effect on the Sydney derby.
At least for the Sydney clubs, they have some sort of identity.
The Victory and City represent the whole of Melbourne, and then you have this spud of a club stuck out in the middle of no man's land.
 

Minka Beaver

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The Melbourne Derby was actually 17,083 and is the lowest of the 29 played so far. None of the others had dropped below 20k. Previous low 20,083 in 2017-18.
Perhaps even more pertinent is that since Heart became Melbourne City in 2014, they've always attracted between 22,000 and 26,000 to that pre-Christmas derby (which is scheduled as their home game at AAMI Park every year). To get 17,000 is probably the strongest indicator yet that A-League attendances will disappoint overall this year, partly as a result of the competition's overall standing and in this particular instance due to Melbourne Victory fielding perhaps the poorest side they've had since 2005-06.

I thought about a month ago that average regular season attendances would still end up in that 10,000-11,000 band this year, but it now looks unlikely.
 

Minka Beaver

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1160 Sayers Road in Tarneit looks to be an address on a single lane road, with no pedestrian access nearby even linking it to Wyndham Vale Station (which is at least 3 kilometres away). It's basically what Casey Fields was when it was being built 15 years ago, which was a community asset rather than a commercial precinct.

The idea that there'll be a stadium there in three years time seems impossible. Even before we get to zoning permissions, construction contracts and finance - how will the road and rail access be improved that would even make construction possible? Let alone cope with match day traffic of up to 15,000 people?

There's either corruption or incompetence at play. Maybe both?
 

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