that was when i knew the season was shot. what, round 1?
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that was when i knew the season was shot. what, round 1?
Dixie Normous
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I never worked as an auditor (just a general financial/management accountant) but a top 4 firm would do a pretty good job - they would have management accountants on the team for the audit but most of it would be I imagine conducted by an audit & assurance team with a couple of management consultants/business analysts thrown in.
Both E&Y and Deloitte are (or at least were, when I worked there back in the late 90s/early 00s) very much a 'boys club' (much like the AFC) which made me chuckle when I read they were being considered for the external review. A lot of dumb rich kids that I went to uni with ended up there because daddy knew someone that was a partner and these dickheads were very much of the 'Ps get degrees'-level of dumbarses (some are probably partners there now)
Ah stuff it, I'll have one more go. 
Well I suppose so - Richmond used E&Y, so it's legitimate to wonder if we shouldn't do the same, or maybe another firm... but...
They are NOT "accountancy firms" in this context. They are not going unleash a horde of financial auditors on us to do the job. They (E&Y, KPMG, PwC, Deloitte) do other things too.
But you keep calling them "accountancy firms" and you frame all your comments on what a review might entail from the perspective of an accounting audit.
WTF? Please quote me where I said that. For that matter, please quote anyone on this board who has said that.
Rucci has rumoured we are going to use a particular firm (KPMG) out of the many we could choose from. So what. That has nothing to do with the question of whether you understand what these firms do in such a review.
So, you have used an accountancy firm, to do accountancy type work / audit / review, and so that's what you think an organisational (/cultural) review of a football club by the specialist consulting arm of a major accounting firm will look like. OK.
Never heard of him. But I am not, and never have been, an accountant. My position "as I say" was, at one time, as a consultant in one of the big 4 firms. On the management consulting side. Never touched a balance sheet in my life.
Which, my friend, makes my (relatively limited) experience a heck of a lot more relevant than yours.
- Although that said, you don't even have to have my level of experience to understand this. There are quite a few people on this board who understand the nature of such a review and the firm that might conduct it, and they've probably never set foot inside one of those firms. It's not rocket science to understand this.
I'd say "I'm out" again but you'll probably come up with another post I won't be able to resist playing with
Well I suppose so - Richmond used E&Y, so it's legitimate to wonder if we shouldn't do the same, or maybe another firm... but...
They are NOT "accountancy firms" in this context. They are not going unleash a horde of financial auditors on us to do the job. They (E&Y, KPMG, PwC, Deloitte) do other things too.
But you keep calling them "accountancy firms" and you frame all your comments on what a review might entail from the perspective of an accounting audit.
WTF? Please quote me where I said that. For that matter, please quote anyone on this board who has said that.
Rucci has rumoured we are going to use a particular firm (KPMG) out of the many we could choose from. So what. That has nothing to do with the question of whether you understand what these firms do in such a review.
So, you have used an accountancy firm, to do accountancy type work / audit / review, and so that's what you think an organisational (/cultural) review of a football club by the specialist consulting arm of a major accounting firm will look like. OK.
Never heard of him. But I am not, and never have been, an accountant. My position "as I say" was, at one time, as a consultant in one of the big 4 firms. On the management consulting side. Never touched a balance sheet in my life.
Which, my friend, makes my (relatively limited) experience a heck of a lot more relevant than yours.
- Although that said, you don't even have to have my level of experience to understand this. There are quite a few people on this board who understand the nature of such a review and the firm that might conduct it, and they've probably never set foot inside one of those firms. It's not rocket science to understand this.
I'd say "I'm out" again but you'll probably come up with another post I won't be able to resist playing with
Not E&Y or Deloitte, but I actually had a lot of respect / like for the partners of the firm I worked at. Good blokes, just running a business, good operators and very down to earth. I don't know what it was like on the accounting side, but us consultants were not "rich dumb kids".
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You can also include me there too
Dixie Normous
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I wasn't even smart or savvy enough to be a consultant of any sort so I wasn't having a go at them per se, more so the culture that I witnessed at both firms (its probably a lot different now) which took nepotism and arsekissing to levels I have rarely seen since. No surprise I barely lasted at either firm!
With Deloitte it may have depended on which area/country you Consulted for, The US was a different fish to the one in Australia.
Ah stuff it, I'll have one more go.
Well I suppose so - Richmond used E&Y, so it's legitimate to wonder if we shouldn't do the same, or maybe another firm... but...
They are NOT "accountancy firms" in this context. They are not going unleash a horde of financial auditors on us to do the job. They (E&Y, KPMG, PwC, Deloitte) do other things too.
But you keep calling them "accountancy firms" and you frame all your comments on what a review might entail from the perspective of an accounting audit.
WTF? Please quote me where I said that. For that matter, please quote anyone on this board who has said that.
Rucci has rumoured we are going to use a particular firm (KPMG) out of the many we could choose from. So what. That has nothing to do with the question of whether you understand what these firms do in such a review.
So, you have used an accountancy firm, to do accountancy type work / audit / review, and so that's what you think an organisational (/cultural) review of a football club by the specialist consulting arm of a major accounting firm will look like. OK.
Never heard of him. But I am not, and never have been, an accountant. My position "as I say" was, at one time, as a consultant in one of the big 4 firms. On the management consulting side. Never touched a balance sheet in my life.
Which, my friend, makes my (relatively limited) experience a heck of a lot more relevant than yours.
- Although that said, you don't even have to have my level of experience to understand this. There are quite a few people on this board who understand the nature of such a review and the firm that might conduct it, and they've probably never set foot inside one of those firms. It's not rocket science to understand this.
I'd say "I'm out" again but you'll probably come up with another post I won't be able to resist playing with
Thank you. I thought people were joking when they kept referring to the big 4 as accounting firms and assuming it would be accountants doing our review.
These firms are enormous and the consulting arms have people with a myriad of skills that make them qualified enough to review the Crows. The quality of the firm comes down to its people, I’d suggest if we went with one of the big 4 in Adelaide they’d bring in people from Melbourne or Sydney to supplement the team here. It’s typically how it works with more specialist areas.
I can 100 percent guarantee that any review done by KPMG will have Chapman looking like a God.
These accounting firms actual appropriateness for this review is laughable.
There are elements of strategic alignment, leadership and behaviour specifically in a football context that must be addressed.
KPMG will do some quick research about what other clubs are doing, they plot where the AFC sit on some quadrant and the strategic plan will be about moving the AFC into that top right. Waste of f#$&+ng money.
The AFC must be seriously challenged in this review and made to feel uncomfortable. I'd put a team together with a elite level football administrator, an elite football brain, a beahvioural and leadership specialist like "Leading Teams" or even better Graham Winter from Think One Team who used to also be the Australian Olympic Team head psychologist.
That sort of approach would be infinitely better than KPMG at a fraction of the cost.
Mumford sucks and Simpson is retiring, leaving them with Briggs and Flynn who arent ready just yet.
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... like an itch you can't resist...
I'd say "I'm out" again but you'll probably come up with another post I won't be able to resist playing with
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Fair call
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Did enjoy those political discussions but election now done and dusted so that’s it for now.
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Because he's free and (arguably) in the realm of competence.
I highly doubt that Sauce is being offered a 2 year deal by an AFL club.
They don't need a long-term option, they've got Briggs developing and Matthew Flynn, but he did his ACL last month so probably won't be 100% until 2021. Jacobs is that bridge to carry 2020 and then they'll hope one of the others will be good to go for 2021.
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You'd have to think the 2nd year would be a coaching type set up, but there would be a couple out there while youngster develop
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I thought the same of EY but they're being lauded for the job they did at Richmond.
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He isn't. He is angling for a 1 year deal with us. May get a 1 year deal elsewhere but likely doesnt want to up root for that. Would tell him to look elsewhere for a continuation of his career.
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Every possibility ....Ruckmen play longer than othr players ....Sandilands retired this year at 36 yo
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