List Mgmt. 2020 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Punts]

Cunnington could fill the void of Kennedy and be some experience

Age bracket might not be what we want tough

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Try living under the Dictator Dan regime.

No choice.

 

[Bandicoot]

FWIW your preferred outcome is also my preferred outcome. It's highly unlikely anyone worth a pick 4 presents as a trade target, and I wouldn't be in favour of splitting pick 4 unless we were guaranteed to be trading in two quality players with those picks. So I too want us to take pick 4 to the draft and try to get an elite junior before a Campbell bid comes.

However I guess where we differ is that I am less resolute in that plan than you, in that if the right players to trade in entered the frame, I would be willing to abandon the go-to-the-draft thing all together. I really am convinced that between Heeney, Mills, Papley, Dawson, Hewett (if he stays), Florent, Hayward, McCartin, Blakey, Rowbottom, McInerney, Wicks, Stephens and, hopefully, Campbell, Gulden, Warner and Gould, there's enough of a nucleus of a good future team for us to start adding the right pieces to it.

I suppose my thinking is that irrespective of what we do this year, I still feel that we will be a bottom 6 team next year. That's why I'm suggesting we go into a heavy trading format next year. With a bevy of young kids (as you've mentioned above) we will have multiple trade options. 2022 is the year I expect us to then challenge for a top 8 spot and with Buddy's contract gone from the cap we can then become serious players in the free agency market.
At the end of the day, we are looking at the same thing - just with different time frames.
However, no mater what we say, I have no doubt our list management team have a far better idea of what is required over the next few years and how to go about it than either you or I.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I suppose my thinking is that irrespective of what we do this year, I still feel that we will be a bottom 6 team next year. That's why I'm suggesting we go into a heavy trading format next year. With a bevy of young kids (as you've mentioned above) we will have multiple trade options. 2022 is the year I expect us to then challenge for a top 8 spot and with Buddy's contract gone from the cap we can then become serious players in the free agency market.
At the end of the day, we are looking at the same thing - just with different time frames.
However, no mater what we say, I have no doubt our list management team have a far better idea of what is required over the next few years and how to go about it than either you or I.

Ummmm, Taylor 3 years & Gray 2 years....

 

[Deccas]

We placed a bid on Perryman if I remember that draft correctly? I'd be very very pro bringing him in. Right age profile and his "solid citizen" energy is absolutely off the charts.

Hately, Caldwell, Perryman, how gettable any of them are for us in particular is questionable as I believe both Hately and Caldwell want to go to their home states, but I'd like us to at least have a discussion with them.

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[Kolah]

point 1.. We have a very rare opportunity to get a top 5 pick.. That is infinitely better than getting Brown.
If we are to trade that pick, Not Brown, please. You're correct If he kicks 60 we may win a premiership.. All the stars would need to align.. The first being he needs to kick 60, He Won't! If all the stars align, a top 5 pick may win us 3 premierships
Point 3.. I'd enjoy watching our more attacking game style finish with the ball in the hands of Buddy, Heeney, Papley and Daniher (who my gut is saying, is coming for free). Thats a pretty potent forward line, and a massive improvement on this year.
We don't want Brown! or at least I dont

Daniher costs a contract with so high a salary over so many years that not even Essendon will match. Nooooooo ...


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[mikey_san]

Daniher costs a contract with so high a salary over so many years that not even Essendon will match. Nooooooo ...


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He doesn't have to sign with them if they match. He can come to us through the preseason draft after refusing their offer I think. Always a chance Norf snap him up - but unlikely. But it's always been about him maxing his money in a precarious position (not playing).
I don't expect him to come, and I don't want him either. Risk is WAAAY too high unless it's max 2 year deal under league average with bonuses.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He doesn't have to sign with them if they match. He can come to us through the preseason draft after refusing their offer I think. Always a chance Norf snap him up - but unlikely. But it's always been about him maxing his money in a precarious position (not playing).
I don't expect him to come, and I don't want him either. Risk is WAAAY too high unless it's max 2 year deal under league average with bonuses.

I'd go one step further, contract needs to have a number of KPI's and they include games played.

 

[HighReeve]

We placed a bid on Perryman if I remember that draft correctly? I'd be very very pro bringing him in. Right age profile and his "solid citizen" energy is absolutely off the charts.

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Nah, did bid on his teammate with pick 20 tho

Talented, sure, but basically our whole team is young players, not sure another one is really a priority?
24-28 is where we are lacking

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We placed a bid on Perryman if I remember that draft correctly? I'd be very very pro bringing him in. Right age profile and his "solid citizen" energy is absolutely off the charts.

We wouldn't have the picks to do that this season I wouldn't think.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Rumour going around Ben Cunnington has been told to explore his options, tough solid mid but with a troublesome back injury.

Will be 30 next season.

 

[ScrewInStuds]

Back injuries no bueno

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Back injuries no bueno

The worst hope Hewitt can get back from it they can cripple a AFL career.

 

[Cadsky]

And Victorians elected dictator Dan. Got what they deserved.

I didn't vote for that prick

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

This is going to be the biggest trade period in the history of the AFL only the very elite will consider themselves safe.

 

[caesar88]

Given that Wicks seemingly rates behind Bell, I’m not too sure he’s part of the future team.

As I said in the other thread, I am hoping Wicks' omission is a sign that we've seen what we needed to see from him, while we're not as convinced by Bell. This is a guy who, since debuting last year, has been dropped three times, and never been convincing enough to last beyond three consecutive matches. Wicks on the other hand did enough for seven straight matches after debuting.

I'm not sure what the impending drafting of Campbell & Gulden will mean for them, but if it comes down to Wicks and Bell, it should be a no-brainer who the keeper is.

 

[TheMase]

As I said in the other thread, I am hoping Wicks' omission is a sign that we've seen what we needed to see from him, while we're not as convinced by Bell. This is a guy who, since debuting last year, has been dropped three times, and never been convincing enough to last beyond three consecutive matches. Wicks on the other hand did enough for seven straight matches after debuting.

I'm not sure what the impending drafting of Campbell & Gulden will mean for them, but if it comes down to Wicks and Bell, it should be a no-brainer who the keeper is.

I’ve got a feeling that Bell may have been given a 2 year deal (his management certainly seemed to think so), so he might have one more to go. So it may not be as simple as that unfortunately.

I also did some counts of our list the other day and came to the conclusion that Bell must be on our senior list as well fwiw.

 

[robbieando]

I also did some counts of our list the other day and came to the conclusion that Bell must be on our senior list as well fwiw.

Bell is on our Senior list this year.

 

[TheMase]

Bell is on our Senior list this year.

I figured but I know we had a few debates about whether he had been upgraded or not last year as there didn’t appear to be anything official confirming it.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

As I said in the other thread, I am hoping Wicks' omission is a sign that we've seen what we needed to see from him, while we're not as convinced by Bell. This is a guy who, since debuting last year, has been dropped three times, and never been convincing enough to last beyond three consecutive matches. Wicks on the other hand did enough for seven straight matches after debuting.

I'm not sure what the impending drafting of Campbell & Gulden will mean for them, but if it comes down to Wicks and Bell, it should be a no-brainer who the keeper is.

I really hope your theory is correct - but I fear it’s not.

The Swans (to their credit) do tend to play the team they view as best XXII. There’s no tanking.

I suspect they see something in Bell that I sure as hell don’t.

Reckon Wicks has been dudded.

 

[Tesla Tenet]

I really hope your theory is correct - but I fear it’s not.

The Swans (to their credit) do tend to play the team they view as best XXII. There’s no tanking.

I suspect they see something in Bell that I sure as hell don’t.

Reckon Wicks has been dudded.

Yes and at the end of the year, Wicks will be dudded again.

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[caesar88]

I’ve got a feeling that Bell may have been given a 2 year deal (his management certainly seemed to think so), so he might have one more to go. So it may not be as simple as that unfortunately.

I also did some counts of our list the other day and came to the conclusion that Bell must be on our senior list as well fwiw.

He is useless

 

[Keyter]

I like what Wicks offers. I also think Bell has plenty to offer as well. Hopefully both can make it. Bell is a late starter to the game and has more upside, imo. He’s a midfielder not a forward and he’s got a lot to learn at the elite level...but he does have a good level of fight in him which needs to be harnessed, and his grit reminds me of Paul Kelly in his early days....oh for more Swans with the Kelly fight......good luck to both...

 

[TheMase]

He is useless

Yeah well I am hardly a fan, I wouldn’t have give him another contract.

 

[TheMase]

Yes and at the end of the year, Wicks will be dudded again.

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You think he will be delisted?

I am not totally sold on Wicks just yet (just feel he will need to add more strings to his bow) but I would hope we’d give him more time.