Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Crows I Am]

So in Crows fashion we will bounce back a little bit and finish 12th

As much as that is something that would normally happen to us, I can't see it being the case this time around. I think we are already a lock for bottom 2 again next year.

 

[hey shorty]

As much as that is something that would normally happen to us, I can't see it being the case this time around. I think we are already a lock for bottom 2 again next year.

I don't think we are a lock for anything, it's hard to predict year on year.

It won't take much to rise up the ladder that far, but it wouldn't be ideal.

 

[Mutineer]

As much as that is something that would normally happen to us, I can't see it being the case this time around. I think we are already a lock for bottom 2 again next year.

I don't think that's necessarily so......

Dependent on bringing in some "senior" additions/changes to our coaching panel and a thorough review of our fitness and conditioning department.

 

[Scorpus]

I'd be staggered if they cut list sizes.

The AFLPA won't allow it

They'll get a rude shock when the next CBA comes around and there's not as much money to go around though

 

[dogs105]

I don't think that's necessarily so......

Dependent on bringing in some "senior" additions/changes to our coaching panel and a thorough review of our fitness and conditioning department.

Is this talk about 2021 "Superdraft"well informed?

 

[hey shorty]

Is this talk about 2021 "Superdraft"well informed?

At this early stage yes

 

[Mutineer]

Is this talk about 2021 "Superdraft"well informed?

You don't think Rendell would have a few clues?

Put it this way at my local club the GWV Rebels the 2021 crop looks easily our best talent wise at this stage since 2016's stellar crop of Hugh McCluggage (Lions), Jarrod Berry (Lions), Willem Drew (Port), Tom Williamson (Carlton), Cedric Cox (Lions) and Jarmaine Jones (Cats, WCE). All still on AFL lists.

2021 - Ben Hobbs (mid), Josh Rentsch (KPF), Charlie Molan (mid), Josh Gibcus (KPD), Sam Breuer (mid/defender) all look above average prospects.

Edit : Keen to get a look at Jye Lockett (3td tall forward) too, Plugger's nephew who has shifted down from Queensland to further his footy journey, unfortunately he's tied to the GCS through their Academy

 

[Thetrader15]

The AFLPA won't allow it

They'll get a rude shock when the next CBA comes around and there's not as much money to go around though

And then blokes the the AFLPA will think...

"hmm, if the pool of money is smaller, either we can all take a pay cut and keep list sizes the same, or we can cut list sizes and keep the pay the same"

It might take them a while to work out, but I think we know which way they will vote.

 

[hey shorty]

The AFLPA won't allow it

They'll get a rude shock when the next CBA comes around and there's not as much money to go around though

Depends.

They'll want the same money as they always have, and if that means players 35-40, who the Dangerfields, Martin's and Franklin's of the world probably wouldn't know the names of have to go then so be it

 

[Ralphy2017]

The AFLPA won't allow it

They'll get a rude shock when the next CBA comes around and there's not as much money to go around though

sorry for the intrusion. In an attempt to claw back some TV revenue why don't the AFL look at 25 or 26 H&A rounds much like the NRL which also have three state or origin games on top of that. You could certainly argue the NRL is more brutal. So each team play each other once, two Port and Adelaide games +1-9 play each other twice and 10-18 play each other twice, otherwise there is likely cuts to players contracts and soft cap cuts, especially since the AFL has committed to the AFLW, which will take time before it pays its way.

 

[Jarman3]

sorry for the intrusion. In an attempt to claw back some TV revenue why don't the AFL look at 25 or 26 H&A rounds much like the NRL which also have three state or origin games on top of that. You could certainly argue the NRL is more brutal. So each team play each other once, two Port and Adelaide games +1-9 play each other twice and 10-18 play each other twice, otherwise there is likely cuts to players contracts and soft cap cuts, especially since the AFL has committed to the AFLW, which will take time before it pays its way.

They're struggling to even get 17 games played this season, so even the usual 22 is a pipe dream, let alone 25-26. Unless we get an effective COVID-19 vaccine developed and mass-distributed by March next year, I doubt next season will be any better. And if you think that's going to happen by March next year then you're a much more optimistic person than I am.

 

[briztoon]

And then blokes the the AFLPA will think...

"hmm, if the pool of money is smaller, either we can all take a pay cut and keep list sizes the same, or we can cut list sizes and keep the pay the same"

It might take them a while to work out, but I think we know which way they will vote.

Do you really believe cutting the rookies and bottom 5 players from a list will allow everyone else to keep getting paid as usual?

Rookie contracts are paid from out of the soft cap, so has no impact on the tpp.

The bottom 5 guys would be lucky if they’re on $150k a year.

The AFL is talking of reducing the soft cap to $6 mil, and making it a hard cap. That’s the rookies gone.

Then the speculation is the tpp will be cut from $13+ million, down to $10 million.

Players will be taking a pay cut on new contracts.

 

[Thetrader15]

Do you really believe cutting the rookies and bottom 5 players from a list will allow everyone else to keep getting paid as usual?

Rookie contracts are paid from out of the soft cap, so has no impact on the tpp.

The bottom 5 guys would be lucky if they’re on $150k a year.

The AFL is talking of reducing the soft cap to $6 mil, and making it a hard cap. That’s the rookies gone.

Then the speculation is the tpp will be cut from $13+ million, down to $10 million.

Players will be taking a pay cut on new contracts.

Of course, but AFLPA would be wanting to minimise numbers to minimise the loss to those at the top

 

[Bearded Clam]

Do you really believe cutting the rookies and bottom 5 players from a list will allow everyone else to keep getting paid as usual?

Rookie contracts are paid from out of the soft cap, so has no impact on the tpp.

The bottom 5 guys would be lucky if they’re on $150k a year.

The AFL is talking of reducing the soft cap to $6 mil, and making it a hard cap. That’s the rookies gone.

Then the speculation is the tpp will be cut from $13+ million, down to $10 million.

Players will be taking a pay cut on new contracts.

How do they reduce it from $13m down to $10m?... the players have contracts with agreed values..

Every single players contract would have to be renegotiated..

If they just come out and say “players will be taking a pay cut on ‘new’ contracts” does that mean guys like Buddy who have long contracts on huge dollars wont see any cut?..

going to be an interesting off season..

 

[SaltPeter]

How do they reduce it from $13m down to $10m?... the players have contracts with agreed values..

Every single players contract would have to be renegotiated..

If they just come out and say “players will be taking a pay cut on ‘new’ contracts” does that mean guys like Buddy who have long contracts on huge dollars wont see any cut?..

going to be an interesting off season..

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Paul Marsh (AFLPA) was originally chasing a deal along the same lines as the cricketers in which payments were attached as a percentage of revenue. The AFL eventually negotiated the set payment structure.

Marsh is now refusing to budge on a reduction to the TTP without the AFL opening up the books for review.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Hi. I was just reading the freo draft points deficit thread. (Freo has a 264 points defecit) Does anyone know how it works? If Freo finishes bottom and Adelaide finishes second bottom does Adelaide get pick 1. Also, GWS has a 254 points deficit which should go against it's first round pick. Given Adelaide has GWS's first round pick, does this mean that the traded pick is discounted by 254 points or does the afl make up a rule for it to somehow go against GWS? Cheers.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

To get a priority pick we should go down the stitch in time path.

Sure you could wait until we've had years in the doldrums, crowds and revenue falter, ratings for our games fall, we need constant help from the AFL etc.

A club that was a low maintenance set and leave asset for the AFL becomes a time waster.

Then give us a priority pick and other help which will take years and years and years to bear fruit.

Or just give us a priority pick now (we've had draft sanctions, our coach died, we were invaded by a pseudo psychological charlatan outfit... help us!) and we'll be able to right the ship without becoming an ongoing drain on the AFL competition.

We're doing you a favour.

Then when they say no we can say Ok, how about a compo pick straight after our first rounder for B Crouch?

 

[Mutineer]

How bloody good is this kid from up the Barossa Austin McDonald 01/01/2004 and already schooling some of this year's draftees...GUN.

Leek Aleer one of our Crows Academy lads getting a bit of it too.

 

[GrommoT]

Hi. I was just reading the freo draft points deficit thread. (Freo has a 264 points defecit) Does anyone know how it works? If Freo finishes bottom and Adelaide finishes second bottom does Adelaide get pick 1. Also, GWS has a 254 points deficit which should go against it's first round pick. Given Adelaide has GWS's first round pick, does this mean that the traded pick is discounted by 254 points or does the afl make up a rule for it to somehow go against GWS? Cheers.

The points deficit stays with the club that made it in the first place.

I think THIS post outlines the most feasible argument why Freo might end up with pick 2 even if they would have got pick 1 but I think the wording is open enough to give the opposite result. Posts in THIS thread looking at this haven't be able to figure it out. Bottom line is it could go either way until we see what happens if it comes up.

 

[briztoon]

Hi. I was just reading the freo draft points deficit thread. (Freo has a 264 points defecit) Does anyone know how it works? If Freo finishes bottom and Adelaide finishes second bottom does Adelaide get pick 1. Also, GWS has a 254 points deficit which should go against it's first round pick. Given Adelaide has GWS's first round pick, does this mean that the traded pick is discounted by 254 points or does the afl make up a rule for it to somehow go against GWS? Cheers.

The GWS points deficit will come off this years picks, regardless of which round the pick is in.

Deficits are applied after the end of the season, and before the trade period.

So the deficit will come off their second round pick.

 

[Dudersaurus]

Hi. I was just reading the freo draft points deficit thread. (Freo has a 264 points defecit) Does anyone know how it works? If Freo finishes bottom and Adelaide finishes second bottom does Adelaide get pick 1. Also, GWS has a 254 points deficit which should go against it's first round pick. Given Adelaide has GWS's first round pick, does this mean that the traded pick is discounted by 254 points or does the afl make up a rule for it to somehow go against GWS? Cheers.

Ok, so this is just AFAIK.

Future picks are traded as they are prior to any bids being made. So trading of GWS 1st round pick will give us their ladder-based pick, regardless of deficit. Otherwise teams would not accept them if the value can be deliberately altered after the fact.

The GWS deficit in this scenario would be applied to their next live pick.

WRT Freo, my understanding is that you need "x" amounts of points to get a pick. If you have less than x, even if you have more points than needed for the next pick, you don't have enough, so you don't get that pick.

In this case if Freo finishes bottom, but have 1 point carry-over deficit they don't have enough for pick 1, so end up with a 2 plus some surplus. The surplus means little unless they can bid on a player.

Fairly crappy system imo, but there needs to be consequences for going into deficit. If Freo still had pick 1, their previous academy bid cost less than nothing.

 

[briztoon]

To get a priority pick we should go down the stitch in time path.

Sure you could wait until we've had years in the doldrums, crowds and revenue falter, ratings for our games fall, we need constant help from the AFL etc.

A club that was a low maintenance set and leave asset for the AFL becomes a time waster.

Then give us a priority pick and other help which will take years and years and years to bear fruit.

Or just give us a priority pick now (we've had draft sanctions, our coach died, we were invaded by a pseudo psychological charlatan outfit... help us!) and we'll be able to right the ship without becoming an ongoing drain on the AFL competition.

We're doing you a favour.

Then when they say no we can say Ok, how about a compo pick straight after our first rounder for B Crouch?

Seriously you don’t want a PP in this draft.

Far better having a PP in 2021 or 2022.

 

[Mutineer]

Luke Edwards doing OK to half time with 14 d's 7k 7hb and a goal, would really like to see him more dominant at U18's level.

3 Panthers lads all 2021 prospects Jason Horne, Matt Roberts and Arlo Draper look nice prospects going forward. Horne a clearance specialist.

 

[Golumless]

Seriously you don’t want a PP in this draft.

Far better having a PP in 2021 or 2022.

I think it might be a case of take what you can get with it. No point having your dick in hand thinking you might be able to get one a year or two down the road.

 

[Danger_zone]

I think it might be a case of take what you can get with it. No point having your dick in hand thinking you might be able to get one a year or two down the road.

We’re not getting a PP. AFL has a vested interest in making sure the GCS survives financially.

Regardless whether we become a basketcase of a club or not. The AFL know the AFC supporters will keep rocking up.

I know it sucks given how the board has driven the club to the ground, but let’s shut this PP discussion down.