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The Matildas aren't a club or any particular entity, they're just a team. There's nothing there to go insolvent, they can play as many or as few games as they want. Same with the Diamonds, Opals or any rep team. As long as there's a governing body, the team will theoretically exist.
Like I said, as long as there's a governing body, the national team will theoretically exist. Doesn't matter what the sport.
Whether they will be able to play as often as they do now - that's obviously questionable. Flying a team around the world to play in front of comparatively small crowds as well as remunerating the players requires money. If the source of that is partly outside the game itself, then it's doubtful whether such a game will go ahead in the next few years.
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A British Private Equity firm may be willing to lend the NRL $100m (I assume collateral for loan is future broadcast Rights cash)
www.brisbanetimes.com.au
$100m lifeline for NRL
A British private equity firm has offered more than $100 million in credit to the crisis hit NRL, a new report says.
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A British Private Equity firm may be willing to lend the NRL $100m (I assume collateral for loan is future broadcast Rights cash)
$100m lifeline for NRL
A British private equity firm has offered more than $100 million in credit to the crisis hit NRL, a new report says.
give the ROI PE's normally want, I'd be running for the hills before taking them up on this offer, or stock up on lube
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Maybe the NRL could get a loan off of the AFL ?
A British Private Equity firm may be willing to lend the NRL $100m (I assume collateral for loan is future broadcast Rights cash)
$100m lifeline for NRL
A British private equity firm has offered more than $100 million in credit to the crisis hit NRL, a new report says.
Does that mean a bank wouldn't lend them anything?
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1. Probably- banks generally want well-located land to provide funding at low rates. The NRL has no land ownership- it even rents out its office accomodation.
The NRL could only offer its broadcast rights' cash flows as collateral- much less security for the bank, if the NRL defaulted on its bank loan.
Channel 9 has told the NRL it might want the current Rights' deal deal (for its whole duration) torn up. As there are no/fewer games in 2020, Ch. 9 can legally claim Force Majeure/Act Of God- & withdraw completely from the Rights' previously agreed payments.
It has been reported that the NRL will not pursue the $100m Private Equity loan -the interest rates would be very high with a PE loan.
Does anyone know if the NSW-based NRL clubs can obtain bank loans, offering the land in their related Leagues' clubs as security (I realise they are separate legal entities to the Leagues' clubs)?
Do the NRL Leagues' clubs own their land- or are they only on long term leases?
(I know that Cronulla owns the land of its Leagues Club)
2. Wimbledon Tennis, due to be played late June, is the next major comp. to cancel. And there is even strong speculation that the 2021 Davis Cup, scheduled for Madrid in Nov. 2021 against Britain, might be cancelled!
Wimbledon's expected cancellation could be followed by Davis Cup
This summer’s Wimbledon almost certainly will be abandoned and the Davis Cup Finals could be the next major tennis event to fall
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Cant help but there is an article in The Aus that might shed some light:
NoCookies | The Australian
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Leagues clubs have long been a gold mine for rugby league. Over the past four years, six of the game’s most prominent clubs alone have benefited to the tune of more than $113 million.
They have helped rugby league flourish by papering over cracks which have now been ruthlessly exposed by the coronavirus and its fallout.
Rugby league has been sidelined but so has their slush fund. Leagues clubs have closed down en masse and the tap threatens to be turned off, if not forever, then at least in the short term.
.... NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg’s ... that of all the rugby league clubs in danger due to COVID-19, he harboured greatest concerns for those who have relied on the largesse of poker machines to help make ends meet.
Parramatta have received more than $30m from their leagues club over the past four years....
Penrith have had the tap turned on to the tune of more than $20m ...
Canterbury receive in excess of $4m a season from their leagues club.....
Canberra’s flourishing junior system, like Penrith, owes much to the money which is siphoned from poker machines to rugby league clubs.
.......
The collateral damage will be football departments and salary caps. Maybe even junior leagues as cost structures are brought into line.
Some have preached for years about the dangers of relying on poker machine money to make ends meet. They have bred apathy in clubland about spending.
... an era of unfettered spending when rugby league clubs relied — at times to an irresponsible extent — on the money that would flow from the leagues club to the paymasters in the NRL.
... Greenberg suggested clubs may be in jeopardy, those currently with the keys to clubland insist they will survive.
The leagues clubs are all asset-rich and while would no doubt recoil at the thought of off-loading those prized assets in the current environment, that option is there.
The Bulldogs, for instance, own as many as 10 pockets of real estate in and around their Belmore base. Penrith own land and activity parks.
Canberra own multiple gaming venues and restaurants.
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Leagues clubs spend millions on the game at grassroots level and there is every chance that aspect of the game will feel the pain more than the top level.
Canberra chief executive Don Furner, whose club is gifted about $3 million each year .... sustains all our junior development programs within the Raiders, but it also runs and funds referees, ground hire, the competition structure under (the NRL),” Furner said.
“There is a mini-NSW Rugby League or Queensland Rugby League under us. It is not just young kids in Canberra, but the surrounding region.
“The most important thing for us and everybody is to get through the crisis. When that is going to be, how it is going to be and what it will cost, nobody knows.“
Penrith chief executive Brian Fletcher added: “The biggest expense for us stares right out in front of you — development. We are a development club. ......
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Development of the game/juniors is big theme in the full article.
The future value of sports rights is being questioned:
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That does not mean that the English Premier League will lose its dominant position in the world, because it will still be more attractive globally than other leagues, but it looks certain that there will be less income from TV and sponsorship across the board.
The same pain will be felt by all of Australia’s professional sports, with broadcast partners already flagging smaller deals next time around.
The predicted downturn will affect every sport and every football club, but it will be particularly painful for those clubs who have big debts and big outgoings.
The timing has been particularly bad for Spurs, less than a year into their new stadium and with a £637 million ($1.3bn) stadium loan to pay off over the next 23 years.
The pandemic has sparked a global economic shutdown of unprecedented proportions. Sky and BT Sport, who have the domestic rights for the English Premier League, are shedding enormous numbers of subscribers because they have no live sport to show. Industry insiders say the worry is, in these straitened times, how many of those subscribers will return when play finally resumes.
...... The prospect of the EPL achieving the same level in its next rights auction — due to take place in 10 months’ time — appears remote.
“It is absolutely certain that there will be a lot less money for sport going forward — and some people might say that has been a long time coming to the market here,” said one broadcasting industry figure. “This will not just hit football — every sport that needs to agree a new rights deal in the near future is going to suffer.”
Another experienced industry figure added: “This is not just the UK, broadcasters will be under pressure across the world.”
The board of Rugby Australia, for one, should be nervous.
As for the English Premier League, it was only two months ago that it was hailing a huge six-year deal that had been done with the Nordic countries worth more than £2bn from 2022-28 with the Nordic Entertainment (NENT) group.
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Amazon’s two rounds of matches in December proved successful, but it paid only £90m for its rights. Shelling out £3bn to take them from Sky would be a huge change of direction.
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just a matter of time. They will cancel it as well, not do what the French did. The French Open shifted to right after the US, but a lot of politics going on there, so I will leave it at that. Davis Cup is in a similar position. The Davis Cup is a 18 team nation tournament, run by the ITF and Gerard Pique, not the ATP/WTA, who might want that week for their own catch-up tournaments. On top of that, it is in its 2nd year from its revamp and the first year was not an outstanding success.2. Wimbledon Tennis, due to be played late June, is the next major comp. to cancel. And there is even strong speculation that the 2021 Davis Cup, scheduled for Madrid in Nov. 2021 against Britain, might be cancelled!
Wimbledon's expected cancellation could be followed by Davis Cup
This summer’s Wimbledon almost certainly will be abandoned and the Davis Cup Finals could be the next major tennis event to fallwww.theguardian.com
TBH, it is tough to see any tennis being played this year. It is a world sport, which requires world travel. not a lot of that is going on atm. And if tennis can get back on the court, last time I heard is that they plan to continue to play into December(normally the off season).
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Looking down the track, that will still be an issue.
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massive issue. f1 is in the same boat. They probably the biggest world sports in terms of size of travel. they will be the slowest to restart one feels.
Wimbledon has pandemic insurance. smart thinking and something which a lot of sports and events might want to look into after this event.
RedV3x
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Closer to home super rugby was first to be inoperable and it is highly likely it will change format.
At first N.Z. appeared to be a huge problem for Australian competitions but then it became just another isolated state,
though N.Z. clubs will be questioned in the near future.
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1. Fox Sports, which is tearing up its is A League contract 3 years early, is placing the A League in a severe financial stress.
www.theage.com.au
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Some clubs are concerned whether they will continue to exist.
Any new broadcaster will not pay the $45m pa cash (+ free advertising contra) that Fox Sports was paying, due to the ratings collapse. It would have been $50m pa cash from Oct.20- due to adding 2 new clubs in metro areas.
2. Rugby League Hub S. Mascord 29.3
Nine wants to tear up its Rights' deal (& probably offer less $). Nine can legally do this, due to Force Majeure/Act Of God contract principles.
Mascord says, in an understatement "This could get ugly".
(See similar "hostile" comments in FoxSports link in post#491 above. It is very interesting that no similar tactics are being used by Seven and/or Foxtel against the AFL- yet).
rugbyleaguehub.com
SMH M. Chammas 27.3
Chammas also states Nine wants to renegotiate the current Nine NRL Rights' deal. The situation, with a loss of Rights' $, doesn't bode well for the NRL, in their very weakened "broke" position.
www.smh.com.au
A-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walk
FFA chief executive James Johnson is looking for a back-up broadcast partner, fearing Fox Sports will sever ties with the A-League after a 15-year partnership.
Fans' uneasy wait as A-League fights for its future on a wing and a prayer
Australian football fans have every reason to be nervous about the coronavirus catastrophe that came out of nowhere and brought the game to a halt at every level.
theworldgame.sbs.com.au
Some clubs are concerned whether they will continue to exist.
Any new broadcaster will not pay the $45m pa cash (+ free advertising contra) that Fox Sports was paying, due to the ratings collapse. It would have been $50m pa cash from Oct.20- due to adding 2 new clubs in metro areas.
2. Rugby League Hub S. Mascord 29.3
Nine wants to tear up its Rights' deal (& probably offer less $). Nine can legally do this, due to Force Majeure/Act Of God contract principles.
Mascord says, in an understatement "This could get ugly".
(See similar "hostile" comments in FoxSports link in post#491 above. It is very interesting that no similar tactics are being used by Seven and/or Foxtel against the AFL- yet).
Discord: Is Australian rugby league headed for another rebellion?
By STEVE MASCORD “I KEEP thinking this is a very interesting crescendo to your Super League War book. Because maybe we’re about to have another one…” I received this message from a good friend on F…
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SMH M. Chammas 27.3
Chammas also states Nine wants to renegotiate the current Nine NRL Rights' deal. The situation, with a loss of Rights' $, doesn't bode well for the NRL, in their very weakened "broke" position.
We want a new deal: Channel Nine tells NRL it won't make its next payment
Channel Nine has told the NRL it won't be making its quarterly payment on April 1 and outlined a desire to renegotiate its current broadcast arrangement to extend beyond 2022.
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The NSW NRL clubs could actually do deals in some sort of combined fashion and save themselves.
All 9 Sydney clubs are attached to large Leagues/Licensed clubs as are Canberra and Newcastle.
Most of these are large valuable properties in the $50m to $100m range. If they all had loans that is equivalent to 1/3rd of their value they could do individual deals with banks or pooled security across the properties to help secure a large ARLC / NRL loan for use by everyone.
Brisbane has a large licensed club. The Cowboys have a decent sized licensed club. The GC is building one at Oxenford so it probably already has a large loan secured against it.
Melbourne doesn't have a licensed club and I don't know about NZ Wartiors and an Oz bank may not be interested in it.
The_Wookie did you put info about NRL clubs and their licensed clubs turnover and grants in google sheets??
I did a search by google sheets but only found stuff for AFL. jad a quick look on your website but didn't find anything.
All 9 Sydney clubs are attached to large Leagues/Licensed clubs as are Canberra and Newcastle.
Most of these are large valuable properties in the $50m to $100m range. If they all had loans that is equivalent to 1/3rd of their value they could do individual deals with banks or pooled security across the properties to help secure a large ARLC / NRL loan for use by everyone.
Brisbane has a large licensed club. The Cowboys have a decent sized licensed club. The GC is building one at Oxenford so it probably already has a large loan secured against it.
Melbourne doesn't have a licensed club and I don't know about NZ Wartiors and an Oz bank may not be interested in it.
The_Wookie did you put info about NRL clubs and their licensed clubs turnover and grants in google sheets??
I did a search by google sheets but only found stuff for AFL. jad a quick look on your website but didn't find anything.
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1. This NRL plan to have all players live on an isolated island permanently, & play all games crowd-free in 1 isolated location only, with regular player/staff etc. covid-19 tests, appears brilliant for the NRL.
It will maximise Rights' payments, & player wages, for the NRL in 2020.
Will it work? And why han't the AFL also found its own isolated island?
www.foxsports.com.au
2 .Daily Telegraph D. Davutovic 3.4 (Sadly, Davutovic's last article in the DT)
Re the FFA & soccer in Aust.,
"Australian football right back to where it was in in 2002, as future fragile at best...A civil war could erupt".
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(go to Sports Industry Tweet 3.4, click on "Daily Telegraph. Soccer Must Be saved).
Re the A League "...the 11 Clubs are reportedly discussing a 50 per cent reduction of the $3.2m salary cap...clubs no doubt will have to accept the grim reality of a considerable income reduction".
theworldgame.sbs.com.au
It will maximise Rights' payments, & player wages, for the NRL in 2020.
Will it work? And why han't the AFL also found its own isolated island?
NRL players open to radical island resort isolation with five months’ pay at stake
NRL players open to radical island resort isolation with five months’ pay at stake
www.foxsports.com.au
2 .Daily Telegraph D. Davutovic 3.4 (Sadly, Davutovic's last article in the DT)
Re the FFA & soccer in Aust.,
"Australian football right back to where it was in in 2002, as future fragile at best...A civil war could erupt".
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The latest Tweets from sportsindustry (@footyindustryAU): "News Wrap | Friday, May 8th | WA AFL teams miss out on home games early, India still plan on coming to Australia, Kayo subs take a 30% hit, RA solvency questions https://t.co/ZI3V1TYArR"
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Re the A League "...the 11 Clubs are reportedly discussing a 50 per cent reduction of the $3.2m salary cap...clubs no doubt will have to accept the grim reality of a considerable income reduction".
Is Australian football living beyond its means?
Australian football at the top level needs to bite the bullet and adopt severe austerity measures when the coronavirus crisis is brought under control.
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RedV3x
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If the 15 min tests become readily available then the AFL could go ahead even if all games were at Docklands.
Again you have the problem of non Victorian players being isolated from their families if this went ahead. Not sure why the NRL thinks this problem doesn't apply to them.
RedV3x
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Yes transport, planes and buses would be problematic but not totally out of the question. You would need special exemption.
A camp environment excludes some problems but increases some others.
If one player succumbs then all players succumb as against one player succumbs then one team succumbs.
Check article date.The mob that made the decision in Melbourne has left the building:
Disney Has Bought Formula 1 From Liberty Media For Over $4 Billion
The current global situation has prompted Liberty Media to sell off Formula 1 - and Disney has decided to take on the challengewtf1.com
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Another media expert- this time Colin Smith- is predicting Fox Sports will abandon the A League.
He says Fox Sports will tear up the contract- not only for the remainder of 2020, but A League seasons starting Oct. 2020, 2021-2023.
He also said
"I can't envisage anywhere now where Rights fees will go up".
theworldgame.sbs.com.au
He says Fox Sports will tear up the contract- not only for the remainder of 2020, but A League seasons starting Oct. 2020, 2021-2023.
He also said
"I can't envisage anywhere now where Rights fees will go up".
Fox Sports primed to pull pin on A-League, claims broadcast rights guru
Financially-smashed A-League clubs can expect another huge hit in April, with a TV broadcast rights expert predicting Fox Sports will cancel future payments while the competition is shuttered - and possibly walk away altogether.
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