List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Crow till I die]

FWIW - ITK Carlton poster (not sure of track record) said last week Carlton threw the offer that Twomey reported last week at Hayward as a ‘hail mary’, but were told he’d be at Sydney or Adelaide

C4?

 

[Ed_Gein]

If we’re offering that number I’m sure other suitors (I imagine Carlton and Port primarily) are also offering similar. It wouldn’t be a figure completely out of the blue.

It's just overs given his output. I'd like to keep him, but I wouldn't be upset over losing him by not matching 6 years at $800-850k per year. I can't remember a more divisive player at our club in a long time...

 

[Danger in Texas]

C4?

Nah a different guy - Soapy V

 

[rabidcrow]

10 disposals and a goal, that's better output than McHenry and Murphy who combine will be on $500-550K. You don't seem to want to loss him????

Combined would be more likely $750-$800k


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[Scorpus]

Rich vein of form just now.

Will you still be saying the same when you realise in about half his games per year he has little to no effect? 10 disposals, maybe a goal if he manages it. You'd be happy paying $800-850k per year over 6 years for that?

We have some really substandard smaller forwards on our list, so a few more goal kickers would be nice

But thanks for the warning, man who made chairs out of human skin

 

[rabidcrow]

Fogarty par, TT at pick 2 is below par so far as is Rachele at 6. Davis left us, but yes abd the others are yes too. Although Crouch depends on what pick you assign to him.

Rachele at 6 is at par or above. Tracking well compared to Rozee at same career stage - and roughly same time forward mid as he was then


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[Bob Neil]

I don’t think 6x$800 for Hayward would be good business by us. If we’ve got the cap space we simply have to spend it on a gun midfielder.

 

[Peter Doherty]

I don’t think 6x$800 for Hayward would be good business by us. If we’ve got the cap space we simply have to spend it on a gun midfielder.

We should have enough for both.

 

[1990crow]

I don’t think 6x$800 for Hayward would be good business by us. If we’ve got the cap space we simply have to spend it on a gun midfielder.

Who knows what the space is with Sloane gone, Tex contract finishing, Smith.

 

[Golumless]

I don't hate the Hayward offer. We're certainly paying the 'contract year' tax seeing Will is on a tear at the moment, but seeing the lad is 2 goals a game right now, a free agent, and the cap is moving upwards, it seems about what you'd expect.

Just a matter of if this is the real Hayward or is he performing above his station and into a big payday? And of course, does he have a midfield switch in him. It's a pure talent check after all.

 

[Bob Neil]

We should have enough for both.

If we did then I don’t think a medium forward is the next area of greatest need. We’re constantly outmarked in our forward 50 by opposition defenders- most notably Tom Stewart and most recently Payne/Andrews.

IMO our next greatest need is a true pack-crashing CHF which I’m not convinced TT will become. I’m loving the development of Josh Treacy at the Dockers and I reckon that’s the kind of guy we need…I have wondered if Nick Murray could do it (now we’re building KPD depth) which could free us up to ditch ROB and make TT our #1 ruck.

 

[Redline]

So likely..
In;

Hayward - FA
Welsh - F/S
Perryman or Cumming - FA
Caleb Daniel - 3rd rounder

Throw 2 x firsts at LDU

Be surprised if we weren't trying to get Draper with our first pick. We might need to trade up to get him.

 

[Crow till I die]

If we did then I don’t think a medium forward is the next area of greatest need. We’re constantly outmarked in our forward 50 by opposition defenders- most notably Tom Stewart and most recently Payne/Andrews.

IMO our next greatest need is a true pack-crashing CHF which I’m not convinced TT will become. I’m loving the development of Josh Treacy at the Dockers and I reckon that’s the kind of guy we need…I have wondered if Nick Murray could do it (now we’re building KPD depth) which could free us up to ditch ROB and make TT our #1 ruck.

I am. He just needs a clear run at it and early doors before his injury this year, he showed signs of that in the port trial game. Marking at the highest point and hitting packs. Once he realises just how big he is, he can monster defenders

 

[Danger in Texas]

Be surprised if we weren't trying to get Draper with our first pick. We might need to trade up to get him.

If Baker wants to go to the Eagles (and thus need a later first to get him), wonder if they’d consider a deal centred around our first this year and next, for pick 3 and change

That’d put us in Draper/O’Sullivan/Jagga/Moraes territory

 

[Crow till I die]

Be surprised if we weren't trying to get Draper with our first pick. We might need to trade up to get him.

A haul this year of Hayward - FA, Draper (draft) and Welsh and Michalanney F/S's in draft and I would say thankyou very very much

 

[eaglevision]

If Baker wants to go to the Eagles (and thus need a later first to get him), wonder if they’d consider a deal centred around our first this year and next, for pick 3 and change

That’d put us in Draper/O’Sullivan/Jagga/Moraes territory

Literally no one on our board wants to use a 1R for Baker. However many (myself included) would be open to splitting say pick 3 for similar to the Ginbey/Hewett “mega deal” in 2022 which ended up pick 8 and 14. Got anyone you could package up with Melbourne’s 2R to get a pick around 14? Or trade your F1 for one of GCS early picks?

 

[George Kramer]

Hayward is a classy talented player, the only knock is inconsistent output.

Thats an upgrade on what we have which is a few average to poor players, with consistent average output, of which he will be replacing one of them.

If we can get his output up with an increase in role and responsibility, then he will be well worth the money. If we can’t we’ve still got a good better player who we’ve overpaid, who cares, we’ve got the money.

 

[bmac84]

Keep in mind that to get Hayward for “free” we need to offer a contract that Sydney can’t (or won’t) match. If overpaying slightly means we keep our draft capital then so be it.

 

[FootyLover123456]

moraes at 4-5 would be a good value pick

 

[Danger in Texas]

I look at Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

this year as an example of how FA acquisitions can boost a club

Many thought 750k was an overpay (myself included), but Essendon had a clear need for a big gorilla defender, saw the opportunity to get one without giving up draft capital, and paid what they needed to so that NM didn’t consider matching. Now he’s being lauded as one of the recruits of the year, and a key reason behind Essndon’s rise

We have a clear need for a medium marking forward that can apply defensive pressure (particularly after McAdam left), as well as a need for even more scoring power if we want to give Rankine more midfield time. As long as we can work to maximise Hayward’s output if we land him, it should have positive results across the ground for us

 

[Peter Doherty]

How hard would it be to play half forward on the SCG every second week?

 

[CroCrow]

I look at Ben McKay this year as an example of how FA acquisitions can boost a club

Many thought 750k was an overpay (myself included), but Essendon had a clear need for a big gorilla defender, saw the opportunity to get one without giving up draft capital, and paid what they needed to so that NM didn’t consider matching. Now he’s being lauded as one of the recruits of the year, and a key reason behind Essndon’s rise

We have a clear need for a medium marking forward that can apply defensive pressure (particularly after McAdam left), as well as a need for even more scoring power if we want to give Rankine more midfield time. As long as we can work to maximise Hayward’s output if we land him, it should have positive results across the ground for us

Welsh is a medium marking forward, with good speed and aerial ability. Do not need Hayward imo unless he can move into the midfield.

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

I look at Ben McKay this year as an example of how FA acquisitions can boost a club

Many thought 750k was an overpay (myself included), but Essendon had a clear need for a big gorilla defender, saw the opportunity to get one without giving up draft capital, and paid what they needed to so that NM didn’t consider matching. Now he’s being lauded as one of the recruits of the year, and a key reason behind Essndon’s rise

We have a clear need for a medium marking forward that can apply defensive pressure (particularly after McAdam left), as well as a need for even more scoring power if we want to give Rankine more midfield time. As long as we can work to maximise Hayward’s output if we land him, it should have positive results across the ground for us

North were never going to match though, because they'd have known that they were guaranteed band 1 compensation (and therefore guaranteed pick 3).

Sydney will likely receive band 2 compensation, which with all of the first round father/son picks, probably blows out to pick 26-28 (though given how well they're doing so far this year, there may be little difference between bands 1 and 2 for them anyway). They'll be a lot less motivated to settle for that.

 

[Sanders]

He was the all Australian CHB, so he's not lying.

So was Kane Johnson

 

[CroCrow]

Well we do really need a premium medium marking forward, and there hasn’t been many better than Hayward this year… I’m not unhappy with that offer

Tyler Welsh is the medium size forward