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marty36

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Just checked out Connor Rozee’s SANFL stats from last year. He played 12 games and averaged 12.8 touches and only kicked 11 goals. Didn’t dominate matches and clearly not good enough for AFL. Port would do well to delist.

Honestly, how anyone could watch today’s game and not come away being optimistic about some of the young guys is beyond me. Will they all become stars? No. But Jesus, you’re a sad individual if you couldn’t muster at least some enthusiasm from today’s performance.
Was rozzee 16 or 17 last year

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Was rozzee 16 or 17 last year

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He was 18. Hamill, Scholl, McHenry, Jones all born in the same year. Fogarty, Butts, McPherson are all only 6 months older... if Rozee, who is a potential top 5 player in the comp struggled to consistently perform in a team that would become the Premiers, I think we can cut some slack to our young guys who play in a side comprised of yet more young guys plus 6-8 amateurs.
 

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He was 18. Hamill, Scholl, McHenry, Jones all born in the same year. Fogarty, Butts, McPherson are all only 6 months older... if Rozee, who is a potential top 5 player in the comp struggled to consistently perform in a team that would become the Premiers, I think we can cut some slack to our young guys who play in a side comprised of yet more young guys plus 6-8 amateurs.
I have said fog Jones mchenry all need developing

Even you say it

Yet the majority of the board want them to play AFL yet they are struggling with the bigger stronger bodies in the SANFL, how do you think that would work out

I'm bagging the selection of say gooch or pohlkoke when we could have had a couple of great SA lads one who's old man played in the SANFL and actually went a long way to costing us a premiership but more the fact we need to look at SA talent first and foremost

If anyone tells me we have improved since losing Rendell they have rocks in their head we have gone backwards

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Just checked out Connor Rozee’s SANFL stats from last year. He played 12 games and averaged 12.8 touches and only kicked 11 goals. Didn’t dominate matches and clearly not good enough for AFL. Port would do well to delist.

Honestly, how anyone could watch today’s game and not come away being optimistic about some of the young guys is beyond me. Will they all become stars? No. But Jesus, you’re a sad individual if you couldn’t muster at least some enthusiasm from today’s performance.
They played most of the year together, they played 2 good finals and 1 ok one. Thats the basis of a good senior side
 

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I have said fog Jones mchenry all need developing

Even you say it

Yet the majority of the board want them to play AFL yet they are struggling with the bigger stronger bodies in the SANFL, how do you think that would work out

I'm bagging the selection of say gooch or pohlkoke when we could have had a couple of great SA lads one who's old man played in the SANFL and actually went a long way to costing us a premiership but more the fact we need to look at SA talent first and foremost

If anyone tells me we have improved since losing Rendell they have rocks in their head we have gone backwards

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The whole going after SA talent thing is mostly garbage... because most of the lads drafted from SA in the last decade have ended up being mostly garbage. Obviously our young guys need to develop, but they should have been doing a lot more of that in the senior side. Yes, they would be inconsistent but see Fog and Jones in the last few games and O’Brien’s whole year. Given opportunities they would have performed at least on a par with our older guys. As you say, we have gone backwards. I’d argue that’s because of a selection policy which kept the faith with a bunch of older players who we should have moved on over the last few years. A forward line next year consisting of Walker, Fogarty, McAdam, McHenry, Stengle etc. is a damn sight more exciting than the one we had this year. Will it translate into immediate success? Probably not. But I wager there will be improvement and I’m hopeful it can lead to bigger and better things.
 

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The whole going after SA talent thing is mostly garbage... because most of the lads drafted from SA in the last decade have ended up being mostly garbage. Obviously our young guys need to develop, but they should have been doing a lot more of that in the senior side. Yes, they would be inconsistent but see Fog and Jones in the last few games and O’Brien’s whole year. Given opportunities they would have performed at least on a par with our older guys. As you say, we have gone backwards. I’d argue that’s because of a selection policy which kept the faith with a bunch of older players who we should have moved on over the last few years. A forward line next year consisting of Walker, Fogarty, McAdam, McHenry, Stengle etc. is a damn sight more exciting than the one we had this year. Will it translate into immediate success? Probably not. But I wager there will be improvement and I’m hopeful it can lead to bigger and better things.
SA talent at every opportunity

Gooch or Hayward
Pohlkoke or Graham

I could name more but let's see if you're honest about those first

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SA talent at every opportunity

Gooch or Hayward
Pohlkoke or Graham

I could name more but let's see if you're honest about those first

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I’ve actually done this before - I’m pretty sure in response to you - but going back over the past 10-15 years, had we picked the “best” SA talent that was still available in the draft instead of who we did, we would have a team so dire that we’d make Gold Coast look good.

I will grant you that you’d almost certainly choose to have Hayward and Graham on our list instead of Gooch and Poholke, but that still doesn’t negate the fact that there are young guys on our list who we should be feeling optimistic about.
 

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I’ve actually done this before - I’m pretty sure in response to you - but going back over the past 10-15 years, had we picked the “best” SA talent that was still available in the draft instead of who we did, we would have a team so dire that we’d make Gold Coast look good.

I will grant you that you’d almost certainly choose to have Hayward and Graham on our list instead of Gooch and Poholke, but that still doesn’t negate the fact that there are young guys on our list who we should be feeling optimistic about.
My point was when two players are similar we should go local every time we had over 20 SA lads on 97 98 in the squad and port had stacks in their premiership year West coast had 13 or 14 last year.

Hayward and Graham weren't even close ogilvie went too cute with gooch and pohlkoke

The board talk about going after luko why not go after Walsh pretty obvious reason why

Port saw it last year and traded up to get rozzee

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Thoughts after yesterday's game.

Glenelg played really good footy. Their midfield was excellent. Stuck tackles all day and were excellent by foot. Their forwards were nailing their marks and kicking for goal. The crows ran out of puff but it's hard to be disappointed when the opp were that good against a fair few undersized teenagers.

Fog was the shining light for me. Finished the year strongly and proved a lot of people wrong (even on here) by showing he can play in multiple positions. Just a class act with exceptional skills. The type of player that will rise to the occasion, which is refreshing.

Scholl was also quite good despite fading out late. He'll be a player I reckon. Calm with the ball and excellent skills on both sides. A class player that we need.

I was critical of Mchenry in the first half but he came out in the 3rd and had some good moments. Seems assured when he has the ball in close and is quite nippy. Uses the ball well. He'll be a good player I reckon. Needs some more size but can play next year.

Macadam seems to make things happen when the ball in in his area. Really good hands and good on the lead. Think he can be a handy forward. Would like him to show a bit more intensity.

Jones looked like an overawed kid in his first time playing seniors, which is strange considering he was doing well in the tassie seniors a year younger and smaller. Looked out of sorts and down on confidence. Hopefully has a big pre season and puts on a bit of size.

Hamill I liked as well. Him and Scholl could turn out to be high quality mid to late picks from that draft. Again, has great skills and takes the game on. Think he's too small to play next year though. Real skinny.

Still haven't seen anything special in Butts. I've only watched a handful of sanfl games though. Future backline is a worry considering Keath is likely to leave and Hartigan is still there. Hope he comes on.

Poholke won't make it imo. At least gooch has some stand out traits. Poholke is a good sanfl player but is relatively slow and good skills are just okay. Very indecisive and lacks penetration by foot.

Still not ready to call time on gooch. Struggles at half forward. Misses tackles which irks me. Think he just needs to be kept in the middle next year.

Stengle is a clever player in a similar mould to betts. Really like him. Makes things happen and is so elusive. Think we'll do well with that trade one he builds his tank.
 

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Our last 10 year's of National Draft picks... If we'd gone SA talent, instead of who we picked.

Aside from 2016, we have got the selection of interstate vs. SA pretty much right.

2016 could have yielded us Hayward, Lewis Young & Willie Rioli instead of Gallucci, Poholke & Himmelberg. Some may debate that the verdict is still out on these, anyway.

2009
Score +3


TICK... Pick 13 - Talia --> next SA lad chosen was Christian Howard
TICK... Pick 29 - Gunston --> next SA lad chosen was Justin Bollenhagen
TICK... Pick 45 - Shaw --> next SA lad chosen was Justin Bollenhagen
Pick 61 - Craig (SA)

2010
Score +1


Pick 14 - Smith (SA)
TICK... Pick 61 - Lyons --> next SA lad chosen was Luke Davis

2011
Score +1


TICK... Pick 27 - Kerridge --> next SA lad chosen was Alex Forster
Pick 41 - Grigg (SA)
Pick 46 - Joyce (SA)
Pick 64 - Ellis-Yolmen (SA)

2012
Score 0


CROSS... Pick 62 - Siggins --> next SA lad chosen was Kaiden Brand
TICK... Pick 81 - Atkins --> no further SA lads chosen

2013
Score +1


TICK... Pick 23 - M. Crouch --> next SA lad chosen was Sam Lemmens
Pick 46 - Knight (SA)

2014
Score 0


TICK... Pick 14 - Lever --> next SA lad chosen was Sam Durdin
Pick 35 - Wigg (SA)
CROSS... Pick 43 - McGovern --> next SA lad chosen was Caleb Daniel
PAR... Pick 58 - Dear --> no further SA lads chosen

2015
Score 0


Pick 11 - Milera (SA)
PAR... Pick 17 - Doedee --> next SA lad chosen was Ryan Burton

2016
Score -3


CROSS... Pick 15 - Gallucci --> next SA lad chosen was Will Hayward
CROSS... Pick 44 - Poholke --> next SA lad chosen was Lewis Young
CROSS... Pick 51 - Himmelberg --> next SA lad chosen was Willie Rioli (Glenelg)
PAR... Pick 62 - Signorello --> no further SA lads chosen
PAR... Pick 75 - Davis --> no further SA lads chosen

2017
Score 0


Pick 12 - Fogarty (SA)
Pick 40 - McPherson (SA)

2018
Score +1


PAR... Pick 9 - Jones --> next SA lad chosen was Jackson Hately
PAR... Pick 16 - McHenry --> next SA lad chosen was Jez McLennan
PAR... Pick 30 - Hamill --> next SA lad chosen was Luke Valente
TICK... Pick 64 - Sholl --> next SA lad chosen was Darcy Fort (Centrals)
 

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Our last 10 year's of National Draft picks... If we'd gone SA talent, instead of who we picked.

Aside from 2016, we have got the selection of interstate vs. SA pretty much right.

2016 could have yielded us Hayward, Lewis Young & Willie Rioli instead of Gallucci, Poholke & Himmelberg. Some may debate that the verdict is still out on these, anyway.

2009
Score +3


TICK... Pick 13 - Talia --> next SA lad chosen was Christian Howard
TICK... Pick 29 - Gunston --> next SA lad chosen was Justin Bollenhagen
TICK... Pick 45 - Shaw --> next SA lad chosen was Justin Bollenhagen
Pick 61 - Craig (SA)

2010
Score +1


Pick 14 - Smith (SA)
TICK... Pick 61 - Lyons --> next SA lad chosen was Luke Davis

2011
Score +1


TICK... Pick 27 - Kerridge --> next SA lad chosen was Alex Forster
Pick 41 - Grigg (SA)
Pick 46 - Joyce (SA)
Pick 64 - Ellis-Yolmen (SA)

2012
Score 0


CROSS... Pick 62 - Siggins --> next SA lad chosen was Kaiden Brand
TICK... Pick 81 - Atkins --> no further SA lads chosen

2013
Score +1


TICK... Pick 23 - M. Crouch --> next SA lad chosen was Sam Lemmens
Pick 46 - Knight (SA)

2014
Score 0


TICK... Pick 14 - Lever --> next SA lad chosen was Sam Durdin
Pick 35 - Wigg (SA)
CROSS... Pick 43 - McGovern --> next SA lad chosen was Caleb Daniel
PAR... Pick 58 - Dear --> no further SA lads chosen

2015
Score 0


Pick 11 - Milera (SA)
PAR... Pick 17 - Doedee --> next SA lad chosen was Ryan Burton

2016
Score -3


CROSS... Pick 15 - Gallucci --> next SA lad chosen was Will Hayward
CROSS... Pick 44 - Poholke --> next SA lad chosen was Lewis Young
CROSS... Pick 51 - Himmelberg --> next SA lad chosen was Willie Rioli (Glenelg)
PAR... Pick 62 - Signorello --> no further SA lads chosen
PAR... Pick 75 - Davis --> no further SA lads chosen

2017
Score 0


Pick 12 - Fogarty (SA)
Pick 40 - McPherson (SA)

2018
Score +1


PAR... Pick 9 - Jones --> next SA lad chosen was Jackson Hately
PAR... Pick 16 - McHenry --> next SA lad chosen was Jez McLennan
PAR... Pick 30 - Hamill --> next SA lad chosen was Luke Valente
TICK... Pick 64 - Sholl --> next SA lad chosen was Darcy Fort (Centrals)
Nice work. Which year was it that Jonty Schoenberg was supposed to be the first SA kid drafted?

So it’s only one draft where we’ve chosen poorly.


Plus you just have to look at our State of Origin side to see the lack of quality.
 

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Our last 10 year's of National Draft picks... If we'd gone SA talent, instead of who we picked.

Aside from 2016, we have got the selection of interstate vs. SA pretty much right.

2016 could have yielded us Hayward, Lewis Young & Willie Rioli instead of Gallucci, Poholke & Himmelberg. Some may debate that the verdict is still out on these, anyway.

2009
Score +3


TICK... Pick 13 - Talia --> next SA lad chosen was Christian Howard
TICK... Pick 29 - Gunston --> next SA lad chosen was Justin Bollenhagen
TICK... Pick 45 - Shaw --> next SA lad chosen was Justin Bollenhagen
Pick 61 - Craig (SA)

2010
Score +1


Pick 14 - Smith (SA)
TICK... Pick 61 - Lyons --> next SA lad chosen was Luke Davis

2011
Score +1


TICK... Pick 27 - Kerridge --> next SA lad chosen was Alex Forster
Pick 41 - Grigg (SA)
Pick 46 - Joyce (SA)
Pick 64 - Ellis-Yolmen (SA)

2012
Score 0


CROSS... Pick 62 - Siggins --> next SA lad chosen was Kaiden Brand
TICK... Pick 81 - Atkins --> no further SA lads chosen

2013
Score +1


TICK... Pick 23 - M. Crouch --> next SA lad chosen was Sam Lemmens
Pick 46 - Knight (SA)

2014
Score 0


TICK... Pick 14 - Lever --> next SA lad chosen was Sam Durdin
Pick 35 - Wigg (SA)
CROSS... Pick 43 - McGovern --> next SA lad chosen was Caleb Daniel
PAR... Pick 58 - Dear --> no further SA lads chosen

2015
Score 0


Pick 11 - Milera (SA)
PAR... Pick 17 - Doedee --> next SA lad chosen was Ryan Burton

2016
Score -3


CROSS... Pick 15 - Gallucci --> next SA lad chosen was Will Hayward
CROSS... Pick 44 - Poholke --> next SA lad chosen was Lewis Young
CROSS... Pick 51 - Himmelberg --> next SA lad chosen was Willie Rioli (Glenelg)
PAR... Pick 62 - Signorello --> no further SA lads chosen
PAR... Pick 75 - Davis --> no further SA lads chosen

2017
Score 0


Pick 12 - Fogarty (SA)
Pick 40 - McPherson (SA)

2018
Score +1


PAR... Pick 9 - Jones --> next SA lad chosen was Jackson Hately
PAR... Pick 16 - McHenry --> next SA lad chosen was Jez McLennan
PAR... Pick 30 - Hamill --> next SA lad chosen was Luke Valente
TICK... Pick 64 - Sholl --> next SA lad chosen was Darcy Fort (Centrals)

That's really not how I want them to pick SA talent obviously around 60% of draftees come from Vico but in West Coasts case 13 or 14 were from WA 26 or 27 from non WA

You pick the SA talent when its compaorable or better

Its up to the guys getting the big bucks to work that one out, but SA talent should be in the front of their brain for the obvious reasons, if you like Ill name the obvious reasons, Gunston Danger Cameron Lever

Lets start with the U/16 Cpatain U18 Captain U18 AA and Larke medallist and whos father palyed SANFL footy meaning he has it in his blood,Jack Graham yes he was one I wanted selected for obvious reasons he was available at the Pohlkoke pick, what happened, or even as you said Lewis Young

Hayward over Gooch

EH over Rioli (that might not be too bad considering what Rioli has done just done)

Last years draft too early to tell in the hindsight look, as Mchenry and Jones clearly need filling out although everyone wants to throw them into the AFL in their first year, regardless of their obvious size and strength shortcomings go figure
 
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Nice work. Which year was it that Jonty Schoenberg was supposed to be the first SA kid drafted?

So it’s only one draft where we’ve chosen poorly.


Plus you just have to look at our State of Origin side to see the lack of quality.
Good one EC
You know the year and surely you know how to spell Shazenberg :)
 

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Just checked out Connor Rozee’s SANFL stats from last year. He played 12 games and averaged 12.8 touches and only kicked 11 goals. Didn’t dominate matches and clearly not good enough for AFL. Port would do well to delist.

Honestly, how anyone could watch today’s game and not come away being optimistic about some of the young guys is beyond me. Will they all become stars? No. But Jesus, you’re a sad individual if you couldn’t muster at least some enthusiasm from today’s performance.
The idiotic posting that goes on when a SANFL game is being played is comedy gold.

Kids win a semi final - club is well placed.

Kids lose a prelim - club is finished.

Apart from a few who actually understand players are developing its best ignored
 

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Just shouldn't be getting too many 1st round picks wrong, particularly those at the pointy end.
Hard to rate Hamish but my negatives is last 3 years top 2 picks which I agree with you have to get right majority of time .
Only 1 of our top 2 picks over last 3 years can be shown as good is Fogarty which everyone supporting Crows would have picked.
Of course we have disagreed re last years pick and argument would be give them time .
But although both shown a bit they have nowhere shown that worthy of combination 2 highest picks we have ever had in what was a super draft .
Both got kicks but were out of their depth yesterday with Ned giving away multiple free kicks ,turnovers and kicking into man and giving away to 25 metre penalties .This in SANFL after watching many first year do really well in AFL this year.
 

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Hard to rate Hamish but my negatives is last 3 years top 2 picks which I agree with you have to get right majority of time .
Only 1 of our top 2 picks over last 3 years can be shown as good is Fogarty which everyone supporting Crows would have picked.
Of course we have disagreed re last years pick and argument would be give them time .
But although both shown a bit they have nowhere shown that worthy of combination 2 highest picks we have ever had in what was a super draft .
Both got kicks but were out of their depth yesterday with Ned giving away multiple free kicks ,turnovers and kicking into man and giving away to 25 metre penalties .This in SANFL after watching many first year do really well in AFL this year.
From one SANFL game at the back end of a season?

Jones has shown more than enough to be excited about with him in our seniors, and McHenry has missed a lot of football this season (and really, was playing well to the point he was kicking the door down prior to whatever injury struck him down), even then McHenry showed signs he has a very bright future at the next level in the third term with his aggression and work rate.
 

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The idiotic posting that goes on when a SANFL game is being played is comedy gold.

Kids win a semi final - club is well placed.

Kids lose a prelim - club is finished.

Apart from a few who actually understand players are developing its best ignored
You’re not suggesting some people are extremely reactive on here are you?
 

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Thank you for posting stats for our SANFL team ... a convenient way to see frees for and against in our games...


.. | AFC frees | Other |
PF | 18 | Gle 24
SF | 20 | Nwd 22
QF | 21 | Por 16
18 | 30 | Sou 22
17 | 21 | Wwt 29
16 | 22 | Wes 16
14 | _8 | Nth 21
12 | 16 | Nwd 21
11 | 23 | Stu 24
10 | 15 | Cen 17
_9 | 25 | Wes 20
_8 | 22 | Nth 19
_7 | 22 | Por 19
 

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Thank you for posting stats for our SANFL team ... a convenient way to see frees for and against in our games...


.. | AFC frees | Other |
PF | 18 | Gle 24
SF | 20 | Nwd 22
QF | 21 | Por 16
18 | 30 | Sou 22
17 | 21 | Wwt 29
16 | 22 | Wes 16
14 | _8 | Nth 21
12 | 16 | Nwd 21
11 | 23 | Stu 24
10 | 15 | Cen 17
_9 | 25 | Wes 20
_8 | 22 | Nth 19
_7 | 22 | Por 19
The SANFL really hate Port, North and Westies
 
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