Autopsy AFL 2025 Round 14 - Hawks v Crows Fri June 13th 7:40pm AEST (UTAS STADIUM)

[Kickin_Goals]

I mean in a game that's so low scoring 10 free kicks on goal is massive.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yeah, you can believe that if it helps you sleep.
The point still stands, you have a better defence without him.
Weddle actually said it post game last week, 'a defence that defended'.

Come on man, this argument of yours is just plain dumb, and suggests that Sicily was actually not playing injured… when he clearly was, as you’ve even said yourself in the past.

He’s been given weeks off to get his body right, he wasn’t dropped.

 

[Gaspard]

I only saw the last quarter and a bit, but during that I thought that hawthorn got a free ride from the umpires. If there was a marginal free kick situation, hawthorn got the benefit. The pair that must have galled the Adelaide camp the most was the pair of "insufficient attempt" frees. One given to Hawthorn and the other ignored to Adelaide.

It may be an illusion, but it seemed to me that the hawthorn players had a tactic of loitering around the player who was going to stand a mark with a view to generating a 50m penalty. This is in addition to the player actually involved in the kick. Anybody else get this impression or is it my imagination?

 

[HairyO]

I only saw the last quarter and a bit, but during that I thought that hawthorn got a free ride from the umpires. If there was a marginal free kick situation, hawthorn got the benefit. The pair that must have galled the Adelaide camp the most was the pair of "insufficient attempt" frees. One given to Hawthorn and the other ignored to Adelaide.

It may be an illusion, but it seemed to me that the hawthorn players had a tactic of loitering around the player who was going to stand a mark with a view to generating a 50m penalty. This is in addition to the player actually involved in the kick. Anybody else get this impression or is it my imagination?

It probably did favour us but it was 8 - 18 in the first half including an OOtF to the Crows where the boundary umpire was "100% positive" but it came off a hand.

Swings and roundabouts. Crows kicked one goal in the 2nd half. That is why we won, because we kicked 4 goals in the 2nd half.

If the Crows camp are blaming anything other than their inaccuracy they will have learned nothing.

 

[hdi]

You realise a goal is worth the same 6 points in both the 1st minute and the last minute yeah? Surely you can see that?

The point you are overlooking is that you have a lot of time to recover from a dodgy free kick early in the game. The later in the game a dodgy free kick comes, the less time there is to recover. Therefore, dodgy free kicks late in games are more consequential

 

[demondavey]

The AFL has shat all over Adelaide since the 2017 GF. That game was gifted to Richmond. It’s honestly so blatantly obvious who the AFL wants winning flags. They’ll be salivating at a Coll v Geelong GF chance.

 

[hawkman]

The Fogarty free was 100% there.

The frustrating thing for people is that Battle did the same thing a minute before but was hidden from the umpires view so was not called.

Absolutely. Battle's was more in a pack though which would have made it harder to see

 

[Long Live HFC]

The point you are overlooking is that you have a lot of time to recover from a dodgy free kick early in the game. The later in the game a dodgy free kick comes, the less time there is to recover. Therefore, dodgy free kicks late in games are more consequential

This is just an incomplete, one-sided understanding of free kicks. It is balanced by pointing out a team has much more time leading up to a dodgy last-quarter decision to ensure that decision is not consequential.

Ergo, poor umpiring decisions are equally bad in any quarter.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

I only saw the last quarter and a bit, but during that I thought that hawthorn got a free ride from the umpires. If there was a marginal free kick situation, hawthorn got the benefit. The pair that must have galled the Adelaide camp the most was the pair of "insufficient attempt" frees. One given to Hawthorn and the other ignored to Adelaide.

It may be an illusion, but it seemed to me that the hawthorn players had a tactic of loitering around the player who was going to stand a mark with a view to generating a 50m penalty. This is in addition to the player actually involved in the kick. Anybody else get this impression or is it my imagination?

You watched a quarter and abit and decided that offering such an uninformed option was worthwhile

No

 

[Lsta062]

The AFL has shat all over Adelaide since the 2017 GF. That game was gifted to Richmond. It’s honestly so blatantly obvious who the AFL wants winning flags. They’ll be salivating at a Coll v Geelong GF chance.

Gifted by 48 points? Lol no

 

[demondavey]

Gifted by 48 points? Lol no

Yes.

Gifted by 48 points? Lol no

Some of those free kicks were so bad that they genuinely interrupt the momentum of play. You’ve got no idea how critical momentum is and how impactful it is having the game stopped and swung the oppositions way.

You seriously telling me the hold on Eddie Betts in the goal square was fair? Richmond (a massive club) appearing in their first GF in 37 years, a packed MCG full of them. The AFL got you there and they wanted you to win.

 

[demondavey]

You watched a quarter and abit and decided that offering such an uninformed option was worthwhile

No

The free kick count in the game does not matter. It’s the free kicks at specific times that make all the difference. Hawthorn is given a huge ride and they did again last night.

 

[demondavey]

This is just an incomplete, one-sided understanding of free kicks. It is balanced by pointing out a team has much more time leading up to a dodgy last-quarter decision to ensure that decision is not consequential.

Ergo, poor umpiring decisions are equally bad in any quarter.

You missed the point entirely

 

[Lsta062]

Yes.

Some of those free kicks were so bad that they genuinely interrupt the momentum of play. You’ve got no idea how critical momentum is and how impactful it is having the game stopped and swung the oppositions way.

You seriously telling me the hold on Eddie Betts in the goal square was fair? Richmond (a massive club) appearing in their first GF in 37 years, a packed MCG full of them. The AFL got you there and they wanted you to win.

OK, but that’s your bias when watching the game. You’re clearly trying to run a narrative of Adelaide being hard done by (which I actually agree with), but 48 points is too much for it to be only umpiring. It’s very rare that umps make a 50-point difference, and this game is not one of them.

Adelaide shat the bed, simple. But this thread isn’t about that game so I’ll stop.

 

[Long Live HFC]

You missed the point entirely

The point wasn’t late-game free kicks are more consequential than early ones? Seems a bit silly that he wrote exactly that then?

 

[BIGHAWK23]

The free kick count in the game does not matter. It’s the free kicks at specific times that make all the difference. Hawthorn is given a huge ride and they did again last night.

Hahahahahaha

Your delusional and an idiot if you think Hawthorn is “given a ride”

 

[Shueygod]

No leg to stand on because I’m not actively betting with strangers on the internet. Makes sense

Older players? Gunston and Impey are the main two, and everyone knows who’s replacing Gunston.

If you can’t see it that’s your problem. Newcombe and Day as the stars in the middle, Ward has had a great year and one of the most improved players, think it was last week they said he’s the #1 rated kick in the comp. Ward/Mackenzie types in the middle will be the next to turn into A Graders, Weddle, Watson etc draft picks still to come.

Still have Lewis (prime age), Meek (26), Dear, MacDonald, Butler. There’s a few highly talented players at BH, like McCabe and Mraz.

Still a quite large group of 24-27 year olds to go with the under 23. A couple above that.

Hawthorn will be in contention now, but also have the youth to sustain a run.

Barrass and Sicily.

Not convinced Newcombe is an A grader let alone Ward/Mackenzie being sure things, he’s great on his day but doesn’t have the consistency.

Just think the list profile is way off to be a contender now or in the future.

They clearly aren’t in contention now, if you call this contention I see how you may be confused.

 

[demondavey]

OK, but that’s your bias when watching the game. You’re clearly trying to run a narrative of Adelaide being hard done by (which I actually agree with), but 48 points is too much for it to be only umpiring. It’s very rare that umps make a 50-point difference, and this game is not one of them.

Adelaide shat the bed, simple. But this thread isn’t about that game so I’ll stop.

The point was that Adelaide has been shafted hard and it comes back to the 2017 GF. You’d be livid as a crows fan.

 

[demondavey]

The point wasn’t late-game free kicks are more consequential than early ones? Seems a bit silly that he wrote exactly that then?

I personally think they are. Much more consequential.

 

[LongSerong]

Context of free kicks is important.

Just like a free kick with 1 minute to go is more valuable than a free in the 1st quarter. You've got the entire game to recover from that 1st quarter free whereas there's only 1 minute to recover from a decision in the last.

A goal is equally important in the first than the last in terms of score but they are completely different in the momentum and context of a close game

 

[Rob R]

The free kick count in the game does not matter. It’s the free kicks at specific times that make all the difference. Hawthorn is given a huge ride and they did again last ninight.

Adelaide was given a massive boost by the umpires in the first half and threw it away with bad kicking. kick straight and the game would have been over by the time the umpires took their Crows jumpers off at half time.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The AFL has shat all over Adelaide since the 2017 GF. That game was gifted to Richmond. It’s honestly so blatantly obvious who the AFL wants winning flags. They’ll be salivating at a Coll v Geelong GF chance.

Come on man. This is some of the dumbest shit I’ve read on Bigfooty.

The idea that the “AFL want X team to win the flag” is diabolically stupid.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

The point you are overlooking is that you have a lot of time to recover from a dodgy free kick early in the game. The later in the game a dodgy free kick comes, the less time there is to recover. Therefore, dodgy free kicks late in games are more consequential

Nope. Not overlooking anything. It’s like saying a goal in the first minute is worse than goal in the final minute. Zero difference.

Recover? What so just try a little harder? If that’s all you need to do then do it all the time and free won’t matter.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Barrass and Sicily.

Not convinced Newcombe is an A grader let alone Ward/Mackenzie being sure things, he’s great on his day but doesn’t have the consistency.

Just think the list profile is way off to be a contender now or in the future.

They clearly aren’t in contention now, if you call this contention I see how you may be confused.

Yeah, the guy who has finished top 3 in the best and fairest the last 3 years is inconsistent. Good one.

 

[Shueygod]

Yeah, the guy who has finished top 3 in the best and fairest the last 3 years is inconsistent. Good one.

Has had games of 15, 18, 19, 19, 20, 21 this season.

Hardly consistency worth of an A grade label.