Anthony Albanese - How long?

How long for Albo?


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Ned_Flanders

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It's getting too expensive.
We should exporting renewables as well which is starting to happen.
We really are a world disgrace with our highest per capita carbon use and our massive exports .

we import wind turbines from india, and china monsters us on solar and batteries. what opportunity do you think we can export to India that they cannot get cheaper and/or better elsewhere?
 

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we import wind turbines from india, and china monsters us on solar and batteries. what opportunity do you think we can export to India that they cannot get cheaper and/or better elsewhere?
Time to transition asap Ned.
Opening another gas field would be just dumb and everyone knows that.
Madeleine King is another fossil fuel stooge.
 
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Time to transition asap Ned.
Opening another gas field would be just dumb and everyone knows that.
Madeleine King us another fossil fuel stooge.

didnt disagree with that. my point is:

1) why would india by renewable tech from us with they a) make it themselves, and b) can buy it cheaper and better from china?

2) why are you assume their options are either our gas or renewables? what is to stop them buying from Qatar or Russia (and discussions with the latter have started)?
 

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didnt disagree with that. my point is:

1) why would india by renewable tech from us with they a) make it themselves, and b) can buy it cheaper and better from china?

2) why are you assume their options are either our gas or renewables? what is to stop them buying from Qatar or Russia (and discussions with the latter have started)?
India have emmisions committments that they have to achieve so they'll need to build more renewables.
Re exporting solar, I meant exporting the actual energy which is becoming achievable.
There already is a government plan to export solar energy to Sinapore.
If Australia is serious we need to cut exports more quickly and keep some gas energy for crisis times like now.
If you open more gas fields and maintain exports it's a backward step.
 

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India have emmisions committments that they have to achieve so they'll need to build more renewables.
Re exporting solar, I meant exporting the actual energy which is becoming achievable.
There already is a government plan to export solar energy to Sinapore.
If Australia is serious we need to cut exports more quickly and keep some gas energy for crisis times like now.
If you open more gas fields and maintain exports it's a backward step.

So India are going to give up coal and gas today for green hydrogen or ammonia which are not even passed pilot plant stage yet???

And hasn't the extention cord to Singapore been unplugged?
 

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didnt disagree with that. my point is:

1) why would india by renewable tech from us with they a) make it themselves, and b) can buy it cheaper and better from china?

2) why are you assume their options are either our gas or renewables? what is to stop them buying from Qatar or Russia (and discussions with the latter have started)?
Why does anyone buy anything that isn't made in China or India? That's your answer
 

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Why does anyone buy anything that isn't made in China or India? That's your answer

You realise it's not 1990 anymore?

Australia has been receiving BMW's and Volvos made in china for a while now.

And do you really think Indians are prejudiced against indian manufacturing???
 

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Time to transition asap Ned.
Opening another gas field would be just dumb and everyone knows that.
Madeleine King is another fossil fuel stooge.

Right Now....Gas provides heating in most States with less emissions than Electricity.
If you heat your house with gas its better for the environment.

I'm totally against the Liquification and Export , but domestic use of gas for both electricity generation and home use can help reduce our carbon footprint.
 

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It's worth noting that the countries we export gas to also import coal. So over the next 20 years, those countries will be replacing their coal generation with cleaner gas while also building up their transmission, storage and renewables supplies.

It's a bloody expensive undertaking the transition from a handful of large coal/gas generators to a diverse and complex network of renewables, storage and transmission. Not all countries can afford it right now as Australia can.

Or you can tell India and Indonesia (20% of worlds' population rapidly modernising) to keep burning coal because they can't have our gas because it's not good for the environment?

In order to cremate and bury the coal industry, the worldwide market is going to need gas before they can get to full renewables/storage. Now that we have the export facilities, it's a lot easier and cleaner getting gas to emerging markets than coal.

Just, for gods' sake, take a decent cut for our own transition costs and to keep prices down!

I guess the energy used to liquify the gas is counted as Australian emissions, while they get to use it as a cleaner energy source overseas.

Its taking a long time for people to realize that global warming effects the planet and not a number of countries.

Ships have more emissions than Australia.

One of the best things we could do for the GLOBAL emissions is to find a way to supply economical "green" steel to the world.
 

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Right Now....Gas provides heating in most States with less emissions than Electricity.
If you heat your house with gas its better for the environment.

I'm totally against the Liquification and Export , but domestic use of gas for both electricity generation and home use can help reduce our carbon footprint.
No, gas has equivalent of 50% of coal emmissions.,It's no good.
 

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No, gas has equivalent of 50% of coal emmissions.,It's no good.

50% used for electricity is better than coal. ( you can readily do better than 50% too).
The CO2 emissions from directly burning gas to heat a room or water are much less than half the CO2 emissions from converting coal to electricity and heating the room. Its 50% without taking the heating efficiency into account. Direct gas burning is around 0.18kg C02e /kwh i think , compared to Victoria's current electricity factor , up around 1.1 . So that's not half its less than a 5th.

People who strive for perfection are destined to fail. "its no good" is a kind of simplistic attitude. You can rarely sort everything into black and white.
Continual Improvement is probably more realistic.

Why do you think Countries who are held up as renewable poster children, like Germany, are shitting bricks over the Russian gas supply.

We have Electricity Shortages right now and a serious lack of planning. ( weirdly some people think that Singapore, who have more generation capacity than they need will pay more for it than Australia will. Why is anyone even considering that crap ). No...build big batteries is not a solution.
 

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India have emmisions committments that they have to achieve so they'll need to build more renewables.
Re exporting solar, I meant exporting the actual energy which is becoming achievable.
There already is a government plan to export solar energy to Sinapore.
If Australia is serious we need to cut exports more quickly and keep some gas energy for crisis times like now.
If you open more gas fields and maintain exports it's a backward step.

Pretty sure that hair brained idea is not a "government plan" though they did support it.
Why not use the same solar energy to power Australia?
 

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didnt disagree with that. my point is:

1) why would india by renewable tech from us with they a) make it themselves, and b) can buy it cheaper and better from china?

2) why are you assume their options are either our gas or renewables? what is to stop them buying from Qatar or Russia (and discussions with the latter have started)?
Australia still somehow produces a striking amount of IP in the field, despite the LNPs vest efforts to defund research.

It simply isn't commercialised in Australia. With Germany, the US and China being major destinations.

You'd be surprised how quickly state investment could be leveraged into a hugley profitable new sector of the economy.
 

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Australia still somehow produces a striking amount of IP in the field, despite the LNPs vest efforts to defund research.

It simply isn't commercialised in Australia. With Germany, the US and China being major destinations.

You'd be surprised how quickly state investment could be leveraged into a hugley profitable new sector of the economy.

That's a very unsubstantiated comment. What IP?

We don't have a lot of big companies to commercialise anything.
Many of the big European and USA brands have global manufacturing operations.
When you buy a German car ,it could be manufactured just about anywhere, and the actuality is that it makes little difference apart from the manufacturing cost. ( Which goes up and down with currency fluctuations , if the Australian auto industry had ridden out our high dollar, they would have become very viable again ).

My Dishwasher has a little display that says "Inspired by Scandinavia " when i switch it on. I read that as , not designed or built in Scandinavia.
( Look it up and they are bought out by Hisense ).

Australia and its politicians always seemed to have looked at us like a as a manufacturing site for other peoples products.

When Toyota made Hybrids here , it was touted as if we were bringing some expertise into Australia. That was a total furphy. You buy the pieces and bolt them together the way you are told how. People in Australia knew nothing special about "why" it was bolted together the way it was.
Like building wind turbines. All the real IP that made it viable was in the electrical systems. You don't just grab a handful of blokes from the pub and compete with the likes of ABB.

When Australia industrialised we failed to go the next step past manufacturing, and our government has failed to nurture any of the large corporations that could drive such technology.
 

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That's a very unsubstantiated comment. What IP?

We don't have a lot of big companies to commercialise anything.
Many of the big European and USA brands have global manufacturing operations.
When you buy a German car ,it could be manufactured just about anywhere, and the actuality is that it makes little difference apart from the manufacturing cost. ( Which goes up and down with currency fluctuations , if the Australian auto industry had ridden out our high dollar, they would have become very viable again ).

My Dishwasher has a little display that says "Inspired by Scandinavia " when i switch it on. I read that as , not designed or built in Scandinavia.
( Look it up and they are bought out by Hisense ).

Australia and its politicians always seemed to have looked at us like a as a manufacturing site for other peoples products.

When Toyota made Hybrids here , it was touted as if we were bringing some expertise into Australia. That was a total furphy. You buy the pieces and bolt them together the way you are told how. People in Australia knew nothing special about "why" it was bolted together the way it was.
Like building wind turbines. All the real IP that made it viable was in the electrical systems. You don't just grab a handful of blokes from the pub and compete with the likes of ABB.

When Australia industrialised we failed to go the next step past manufacturing, and our government has failed to nurture any of the large corporations that could drive such technology.
I agree with your historical perspective, but disagree with how you extrapolate beyond it.

Biotech is a perfect example of how Australia is growing a niche, but highly profitable domestic industry which is ripe for massive expansion. Even small amounts of state investment have produced surprising yields.
 

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I know that it isn't necessarily easy for small business but if you can't afford to pay your lowest paid workers an extra buck an hour then I am not so sure you are viable in the longer term anyway.

And shame on the Morrison Mob who took a steaming dump on the working class.
 

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Albanese has done a lot of good things in these first few weeks, but that doesn't mean we ignore the not-so-good. When asked if National Cabinet had raised the issue of secrecy (given he had been highly critical of Morrison's claim it was an extension of Cabinet and would wind back the levels of secrecy) and if not, what had changed, Albanese said 'No' and 'you only get one question'. That's the kind of bullschitte I expected from Morrison, he needs to do better here.
 

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Thank god, I mean thank Thor

There's no place for 2000 year old fanfiction garbage being shoved down the throats of kids in schools

Only problem is last time this happened very few schools chose qualified secular welfare support over chaplains due cost.

Chaplains are cheap as chips with all the tax breaks for and the fact they paid next to nothing. They costs the school $20k per year. For a qualified secular psychologist or degree qualified worker you’re looking at closer to $100k pa.

So I don’t expect a massive reduction in the use of chaplains in cash strapped schools. The truth is to remove the rot of hard core religious brainwashing from this country we need to end the tax subsidies and special status for religions that allow them to undercut secular services in so many areas of society.
 

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Only problem is last time this happened very few schools chose qualified secular welfare support over chaplains due cost.

Chaplains are cheap as chips with all the tax breaks for and the fact they paid next to nothing. They costs the school $20k per year. For a qualified secular psychologist or degree qualified worker you’re looking at closer to $100k pa.

So I don’t expect a massive reduction in the use of chaplains in cash strapped schools. The truth is to remove the rot of hard core religious brainwashing from this country we need to end the tax subsidies and special status for religions that allow them to undercut secular services in so many areas of society.

Pay peanuts……
 

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Only problem is last time this happened very few schools chose qualified secular welfare support over chaplains due cost.

Chaplains are cheap as chips with all the tax breaks for and the fact they paid next to nothing. They costs the school $20k per year. For a qualified secular psychologist or degree qualified worker you’re looking at closer to $100k pa.

So I don’t expect a massive reduction in the use of chaplains in cash strapped schools. The truth is to remove the rot of hard core religious brainwashing from this country we need to end the tax subsidies and special status for religions that allow them to undercut secular services in so many areas of society.
Don't think a qualified psychologist is required for the role.
An empathetic Mum is all that's necessary