Autopsy Autopsy vs St Kilda - the Cam Zurhaar Almost Special

[SonofSamsquanch]

But we don’t make a fuss about it

I bet you don't eat the broccoli though.

Broccoli

Yum.

 

[Ligma]

I bet you don't eat the broccoli though.

Broccoli

Yum.

No I like broccoli

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Mattaes Phillipou looks a real player for pick 10. A few recruiting teams might look a bit silly at the end of his career ...

Hopefully not us with Wardlaw. I realise that based on ability and talent, most teams had GW at 1, but his body has some concerns. We really need to have nailed last year's draft as the '20 and '21 picks are no certainties.

 

[Ashley B]

I eat broccoli but not a fan, been told it’s good for you especially the stem .I eat it first when it’s on the plate and get it over and done with. Otherwise I don’t get my desert lol

 

[SonofSamsquanch]

No I like broccoli

Well it's not on the kids menu anyway.

Just nuggets, salty chips and tomato sauce.

 

[Disco Dew]

I eat broccoli but not a fan, been told it’s good for you especially the stem .I eat it first when it’s on the plate and get it over and done with. Otherwise I don’t get my desert lol

Broccoli just needs a good cheese and mushroom sauce on it and then it’s delicious!

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Tonight was the perfect night to send Curtis into the centre bounces.

Have a different mix. Cunners was getting ****ed up. Put Zurhaar deep one out. Cam was one snag away from lighting s**t up - Curtis was probably one clearance from getting some easy ball and breaking the shackles of a Lyon style defender

Paul Curtis still is a complete liability on defence. People talk about Taylor and Spicer being allergic to tackling, this guy is currently our worst. He is in terrible defensive form and needs to go back and show the club he gives enough of a sh*t to chase and lay a tackle.

 

[Ashley B]

Broccoli just needs a good cheese and mushroom sauce on it and then it’s delicious!

Your not making it sound more appealing to me Disco lol

 

[Disco Dew]

Your not making it sound more appealing to me Disco lol

I tried.

 

[Lomas]

I bet you don't eat the broccoli though.

Broccoli

Yum.

I was at a work function yesterday, and one of the nibbles with drinks was sautéed broccoli with cheese, on a stick.
Strangely, it was the only dish left over 10 minutes in.

 

[Ashley B]

I bet if there was a Colonel family bucket it would have been emptied in 2 minutes

 

[Lomas]

I bet if there was a Colonel family bucket it would have been emptied in 2 minutes

A few drinks in people would mutter that they were starving, wander over to the tables and then veer away in disgust.

 

[danj]

What’s parking like nearby?

Small carpark out back otherwise plenty of options in the adjoining streets just check the signs first

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Bergman was great.

Compact with ball in had, made near decisions and then when it was his turn to go and defend in the air looked solid.

I’ll go back and watch the tape but I can’t remember anything too glaring for a defender in his 5th game - 16 touches 4 intercepts.

Lots to work with

Bergman is the best thing about the '21 draft. Light years ahead of anyone else we drafted atm...

 

[Lomas]

Small carpark out back otherwise plenty of options in the adjoining streets just check the signs first

It’s also on the tram line and near train and buses.

 

[Caracas]

THIS IS WHY IVE ALWAYS WANTED HIM IN

… and me.


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[tazaa]

Broccoli is great. Never understood why kids don’t liked it.

had my first taste of Chinese broccoli at age 5 and have been in love since

 

[Caracas]

Kicking 3 or 4 occasionally (notice I said occasionally which means not all the time - I thought I’d better point that out because some people apparently have the reading comprehension skills of a spanner) a lot of which come from trying to get cheap/soft ones out the back or through free kicks, is not the work of a key full forward that we should seek out with every forward entry. Especially one who has to do it on his own - which Larkey does at the moment.

He’s a good, straight kick but overall he’s no Lockett as a forward. There’s more to being a key forward than just kicking straight. He goes okay sometimes but not consistently and in any case he doesn’t have the commanding presence of a dominant FF. He either needs help down there or better yet needs someone who would take the #1 defender.

I would’ve thought that was obvious. But hey don’t let me spoil the incredible success story you think our forward line is.

At the end of the day, Nick is part of the answer. Yes, he can be frustrating - I have spoken his name in vain more than a few times mid-game. However, like Zurrhaar, our biggest problem with him is that he struggles to deliver what we know he can. That, to me, means he is definitely part of our solution. The time when Nick (and Cam) will really come to the fore is when a few other guys step up.


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[Passmore]

Broccoli is great. Never understood why kids don’t liked it.

had my first taste of Chinese broccoli at age 5 and have been in love since

Smothered in oyster sauce. What's not to like?

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[Spud11]

Nice straw man, I never said or implied that our forward line is even close to being successful or complete because it clearly isn't. Just pointing out the absurdity of claiming Larkey "only" looks good because he is actually kicking goals instead of some other more sexy looking intangible.

And no he does do it consistently. Since we are resorting to snarky condescending personal attacks on the others reading comprehension I will break it down for you and provide some helpful dictionary definitions:

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Goal Scoring breakdown for Nick Larkey 2021/22/23:

Year	2021	2022	2023
Games Played	22	20 (one game injury subbed)	8*
3+ Goal Games	7	5	3*
Total % of games played with 3+ goals scored	31%	25%	37%*

The last 3 years as our main guy he has played 50 games and kicked 3 or more goals at an average of 30% of the games he has played each season, at a rate of no less than 25% and no more than 37%* of his games in any givenl season. He has also in these 3 seasons never gone more than 2 games in a row without kicking a goal.

That is the definition of consistent, as in you know exactly what you are going to get from him because every season in almost 1/3 games he will CONSISTENTLY have 3+ goal games, while he does OCCASIONALLY have one or two 0 goal games he will CONSISTENTLY bounce back and this is something that does not vary. Maybe that will change in the future but as of right now it is based on statistical fact and not anecdotal bias.

This is not to say I think Larkey is a prodigious key forward or even necessarily our future because I agree with you that he clearly needs someone else to take the pressure off him and is better suited to being the second banana, but too many on this board like to conveniently ignore the positives a player like Larkey provides while hyper-focusing on the negatives because of the 'look', similar to B. Brown.

It'll be cool when we trade Larkey to Richmond or Collingwood for peanuts in two years time and he goes on to win a flag immediately while we are all here jerking ourselves silly after we trade in a geriatric Levi Casboult because he dominates in the air, has a 'commanding presence' and OCCASIONALLY kicks a bag (go have a look how regularly he does it)

Nice

You went to a lot of effort there.

We can agree we will consistently know he will be inconsistent. He’ll kick 3 and then disappear but then bounce back and kick 3. Maybe sometimes even 6. That’s great. But it’s not ideal for our only forward. And while it’s consistent overall, we can’t be having this disappearing act week after week. Even if we know it’s going to happen, it’s an inconsistency. The two are possible at the same time, you see.

But it’s not all his fault.

While I don’t think he’s a tough player who will split apart packs and take multiple contested marks (which are valuable assets to a forward, especially the only key one a team might have) I do think he’s better than that return and I do think there are more strings to his bow. His work rate (without pulling up stats) I believe would be relatively high and his kicking is incredible.

And no, I wouldn’t trade him because he would go to a better team with better support and potentially become a superstar. If Mason Wood can do what he’s done, Larkey would be in the Coleman conversation.

Back to my original post though, it was more aimed at the club either moving players on who could’ve helped (or taken over from) Nick, or recruited accordingly to help that end. It was not necessarily just a criticism of him. He could definitely improve in areas but I think he’s doing well for the #70-something pick in a side with rubbish to non-existent delivery.

It just seemed weird that the second-fiddle to BBB who, whilst serviceable, wasn’t the next Ablett or Carey suddenly found himself doing it alone. Weird, almost negligent. Even Daw would’ve helped.

It could just be better, y’know. For him and for the team.

Ps- you went to way too much effort for Bigfooty and indeed a yobbo such as me.

 

[amaz199]

patiently waiting for the broccoli talk to become rice cooker talk then we've come full circle

 

[RightWingRoo]

Felt it was a credible effort on the whole, left the ground feeling much better than last Saturday night. Felt like our pressure and work rate were much better, even if the overall tackle stats don't show it. And the press and defensive structure held up much better because of it. We were able to force the Saints into turnovers, that we unfortunately couldn't capitalise on with scoreboard pressure. Also dramatically cut back the easy goals we've given up every match since round 2.

The lack of polish and over reliance on Larkey and Zurhaar up forward hurt. But the Saints have conceded over 100 points less than any other side, so no shame in struggling to score against them. The Ross Lyon strangulation is back with vengeance and could take a middling list to the top 4, can't see them winning it though.

Jack has been brilliant this year, and why I won't write Cunners off just yet. Goldy beat Marshall and you almost take it for granted young Harry will get 30 and show his class.
McKay looked much better and Bergman should never be out of the side again.
Drury showed something and is worth an extended run. Overall looked better and more mobile playing a younger side

 

[franjon]

Broccoli is great. Never understood why kids don’t liked it.

had my first taste of Chinese broccoli at age 5 and have been in love since

Broccoli, like Cabbage is all about how it's cooked, or more to the point how long it's cooked.

 

[R00StaR]

Smothered in oyster sauce. What's not to like?

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I encourage our Broccoli lovers to open a Broccoli Burger chain across the planet.

 

[Marstermind]

NMFC Lowest Half Time Scores (2010- )
0.7-7 v St.Kilda - Round 8, 2023 (4.10-34)
1.3-9 v Fremantle - Round 13, 2013 (4.5-29)
1.5-11 v Geelong - Round 21, 2019 (1.8-14)
1.6-12 v Gold Coast - Round 1, 2018 (5.9-39)
2.2-14 v St.Kilda - Round 1, 2020 (8.8-56) *
2.2-14 v Port Adelaide - Round 16, 2020 (6.6-42)
2.2-14 v Fremantle - Round 17, 2020 (5.5-35)
2.3-15 v St.Kilda - Round 2, 2010 (6.3-39)
2.3-15 v Western Bulldogs - Round 5, 2020 (5.8-38)
2.3-15 v Richmond - Round 7, 2020 (2.11-23)
1.9-15 v Collingwood - Round 20, 2017 (7.15-57)
2.3-15 v Adelaide - Round 23, 2021 (8.6-54)
2.3-15 v Fremantle - Round 8, 2022 (3.6-24)
2.3-15 v St.Kilda - Round 11, 2022 (7.8-50)
2.3-15 v Melbourne - Round 7, 2023 (7.7-49)

*=We won