Bigfooty Official Phantom Draft - recruiter notes

[Soups]

At pick 35 i would think one of

Ralphsmith,Georgiades, or Riccardi will be available, all tall kp players,

2 out of 3 aren’t though

 

[Apex36]

2 out of 3 aren’t though

Giorgiades could be argued for at 192cm I guess, and you could be hopeful of another couple of cm growth, but naming Ralphsmith is taking the piss. What is he, 186cm?

 

[Soups]

Giorgiades could be argued for at 192cm I guess, and you could be hopeful of another couple of cm growth, but naming Ralphsmith is taking the piss. What is he, 186cm?

You’d have to argue hard. Probably more of a 3rd tall, even winger at the next level. But yeah Ralph Smith is a medium forward and nothing more. Hope he was thinking of someone else.

 

[TradeDraft]

1988, 1991, 1990, 1993, 1993. That's a lot of mids in the same age bracket and all the wrong side of 20, or over 30 in the case of Pendles.

Crisp and Maynard are needed in defence. Same with IQ. Unsure Noble will be good enough.

T.Brown we haven't seen at AFL level and he's someone once he has been through his preseason who needs to be assessed next year given his good rate of development, but still isn't there.

Reef will be nice if he keeps developing through next year's draft, but more is needed.

I don't see urgency to do it this year, but if there is someone who represents superior value I'm open to adding midfielders now even if they're probably not playing right away.

We don't have any High Draft Picks so we not Exactly getting Gun Mids

 

[Knightmare]

We don't have any High Draft Picks so we not Exactly getting Gun Mids

Depends who is there.

Harry Schoenberg might be available with the first pick and Ryan Byrnes with the second pick. That would be two mids I rate inside the top 20 in this draft if it worked out that way.

Biggy Nyuon is probably there with that third pick and won't necessarily get matched.

Things are hardly likely to follow the unfortunate script the Bigfooty phantom draft went down.

 

[Jelly Bean]

De Goey had Impact in the Guts when he played there and we looked our Best when he was in there

Yeah, he has had some good games (or at least good periods) in the middle, you are right. But hasn't quite looked as impactful as he has up forward in my view.

 

[TradeDraft]

Yeah, he has had some good games (or at least good periods) in the middle, you are right. But hasn't quite looked as impactful as he has up forward in my view.

He is Needed in the Guts more then up Forward

 

[well left]

Depends who is there.

Harry Schoenberg might be available with the first pick and Ryan Byrnes with the second pick. That would be two mids I rate inside the top 20 in this draft if it worked out that way.

Biggy Nyuon is probably there with that third pick and won't necessarily get matched.

Things are hardly likely to follow the unfortunate script the Bigfooty phantom draft went down.

Knightmare - thoughts on Mitch Hibberd as a list fit?


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[Knightmare]

Knightmare - thoughts on Mitch Hibberd as a list fit?


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Hibberd is someone I mentioned in my 10 best state leaguers piece today.

There are some clubs I like him for and I liked him in his draft year, but Collingwood isn't a club I'd suggest target him.

He's a good athlete, good height/size. Very competitive, strong tackler, can win the ball, provide run, very professional. Can play inside or outside. So there are plenty of boxes he ticks. Can be prone at times to bombing long and decision making under pressure can at times be so-so, though a lot better than it was. And still has overall scope to continue improving.

For Collingwood I'd have Hibberd largely on parr with Sier and Wills as competing for one of those midfield spots without winning it, and possibly being slightly behind Sier if he has a better season this year.

I'd personally prefer a Schloithe or Bolton who are of a level where I can place them both ahead of Sier/Wills as higher production, much more polished players and advanced players. Both Schloithe and Bolton are players you draft on who they are today, but who they are today is better than any mids running around the 2s in the various state leagues nationally.

 

[watt price tully]

WHE had a bad end to 2018 because he hurt his knee. He then needed off season surgery on it and didnt have a preseason for the 2019 season........

Yes, I think too many of us underestimate or minimise the importance of pre-season. I didn’t realise WHE hurt his knee in late 2018.

Hope he has a injury free preseason and 2020 season.

 

[watt price tully]

Hope we get Shoenberg then draft Shoenmakers; we could then have the most alliterative backline in the AFL: Shoenberg, Sharenberg and Schoenmaker.

 

[sr36]

He is Needed in the Guts more then up Forward

He's needed at centre clearances and forward stoppages, but I wouldn't want him to be a proper mid who runs hard into the defensive half.

 

[sr36]

Yes, I think too many of us underestimate or minimise the importance of pre-season. I didn’t realise WHE hurt his knee in late 2018.

Hope he has a injury free preseason and 2020 season.

If we do underestimate it, so do the clubs. Once fit, he could have had an 8 week preseason and still played 11 games, but instead we brought him straight back in to the team to play 19 games for the year. Personally though, I think using a lack of a preseason as an eexcuse for someone's finals non-existence, when he played 17 home and away games in a row before finals is a bit silly. Surely, in terms of preparation, 17 home and away games beats the hell out of a preseason.

 

[DaicosianMarvels]

Sokol is an absolute jet. He would be best 22 without a doubt if we got him. We can then play DeGoey up forward.

 

[watt price tully]

If we do underestimate it, so do the clubs. Once fit, he could have had an 8 week preseason and still played 11 games, but instead we brought him straight back in to the team to play 19 games for the year. Personally though, I think using a lack of a preseason as an eexcuse for someone's finals non-existence, when he played 17 home and away games in a row before finals is a bit silly. Surely, in terms of preparation, 17 home and away games beats the hell out of a preseason.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

The lack of preseason also reflected in his relatively poor 2019 season. Ask the players who have njury interrupted preseasons then get a full preseason under their belts to go on & have a decent year. He did well the year before so there is no reason not to think he can't do well again given an injury free pre season.

 

[sr36]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

The lack of preseason also reflected in his relatively poor 2019 season. Ask the players who have njury interrupted preseasons then get a full preseason under their belts to go on & have a decent year. He did well the year before so there is no reason not to think he can't do well again given an injury free pre season.

My take is that he did well in the first half of 2018 when playing deep forward, but since then has struggled because others have been preferred in that deep forward role. His best game of the season was against GC when he got more time playing deep forward. I hope you're right and I'm wrong, because I think others are going to continue to be preferred for the deep forward roles.

 

[partypie]

Hibberd is someone I mentioned in my 10 best state leaguers piece today.

There are some clubs I like him for and I liked him in his draft year, but Collingwood isn't a club I'd suggest target him.

He's a good athlete, good height/size. Very competitive, strong tackler, can win the ball, provide run, very professional. Can play inside or outside. So there are plenty of boxes he ticks. Can be prone at times to bombing long and decision making under pressure can at times be so-so, though a lot better than it was. And still has overall scope to continue improving.

For Collingwood I'd have Hibberd largely on parr with Sier and Wills as competing for one of those midfield spots without winning it, and possibly being slightly behind Sier if he has a better season this year.

I'd personally prefer a Schloithe or Bolton who are of a level where I can place them both ahead of Sier/Wills as higher production, much more polished players and advanced players. Both Schloithe and Bolton are players you draft on who they are today, but who they are today is better than any mids running around the 2s in the various state leagues nationally.

I think I'd rather have a look at Luke Partington to be honest. Looks to have added some serious wheels and endurance to his game and has torn the SANFL a new one at age 22. Wasn't terrible at the Eagles but just lacked a point of difference in amongst a strong midfield group, which it looks like he now might have.

 

[Knightmare]

I think I'd rather have a look at Luke Partington to be honest. Looks to have added some serious wheels and endurance to his game and has torn the SANFL a new one at age 22. Wasn't terrible at the Eagles but just lacked a point of difference in amongst a strong midfield group, which it looks like he now might have.

Partington was one I mentioned in my 10 state leaguers piece and put forward as someone who was delisted prematurely and is deserving of a second chance with his SANFL League form overwhelmingly suggesting he can play at AFL level.

Speed/endurance is what he has and he can find the footy. He's someone I look at as a capable component to a midfield. Would be ideally suited for a slow midfield - maybe a Melbourne or Sydney.

 

[manicpie]

Partington was one I mentioned in my 10 state leaguers piece and put forward as someone who was delisted prematurely and is deserving of a second chance with his SANFL League form overwhelmingly suggesting he can play at AFL level.

Speed/endurance is what he has and he can find the footy. He's someone I look at as a capable component to a midfield. Would be ideally suited for a slow midfield - maybe a Melbourne or Sydney.

How do you think Mathew Himmelman would back in the AFL

 

[partypie]

Partington was one I mentioned in my 10 state leaguers piece and put forward as someone who was delisted prematurely and is deserving of a second chance with his SANFL League form overwhelmingly suggesting he can play at AFL level.

Speed/endurance is what he has and he can find the footy. He's someone I look at as a capable component to a midfield. Would be ideally suited for a slow midfield - maybe a Melbourne or Sydney.

We're not exactly the quickest midfield unit out there - not sure why you'd leave us off that list?

 

[Knightmare]

How do you think Mathew Himmelman would back in the AFL

Hammelmann is a good NEAFL KPF. 8.1m and 3.7g per game reads well. 12.8d not as much. For me he's capable AFL depth who could play as required but not a starting 22 type at this stage.

I favour Sokol as an avenue to goal. He isn't the same height, but more prolific mark, accumulator and goalkicker and doing it in a stronger competition.

For more a real KPF size/height Riccardi is my preferred choice.

We're not exactly the quickest midfield unit out there - not sure why you'd leave us off that list?

I'd be open to Partington late/rookie depending on other options available. For a similar type I prefer Ryan Byrnes and I wouldn't be shocked if he is available at the club's second choice, and he's someone I'd consider with the first.

 

[partypie]

I favour Sokol as an avenue to goal. He isn't the same height, but more prolific mark, accumulator and goalkicker and doing it in a stronger competition.

You seem to be very keen on Sokol despite his apparent athletic and physical deficiencies as an undersized key forward at AFL level (or at least that is how he has played at WAFL level).

I've had a bit of a poke around through his stats (or what stats I could find) but from what I can see Sokol hasn't had any real history of being the prolific goal kicker he has been more recently (although he does appear to have popped up with a bag every now and then across his career) or marking target before the last handful of games from the season just passed:

Last 7 games: 38 goals (5.4 per game) / 72 marks (10.3 per game)

Previous 13 games (2019): 22 goals (1.7 per game) / 94 marks (7.2 per game)

Previous 77 games (career): 143 goals (1.85 per game) / 481 marks (6.2 per game)

I'm also somewhat wary of those impressive last 7 games in a season where Subiaco basically dominated every other team in the competition - for the record the first 5 of those 7 games were against teams that finished 4th, 6th, 10th, 5th and 9th out if 10 (none with more than a 50-50 record for the season). The semi final and grand final were against the "next best" team in South Fremantle, but even against them Subiaco cruised to convincing wins in their last 3 meetings (including finals) after losing to them earlier in the season by 22 points (their only loss).

There's no doubt his more recent form and performance in the grand final have been impressive, but is that just a bit of a hot streak against seemingly inferior opposition (in light of Subiaco's season overall the assertion that the WAFL is stronger is at least somewhat questionable for 2019), or was it actually a sign of AFL level ability revealing itself pretty much out of nowhere?

i think there is some risk here considering the step up he would have to make against AFL-quality backmen (especially on the speed / endurance front where the majority of AFL backmen have good closing speed and can run all day) - at 24 he might be worth a late round flier (or a rookie draft pick) but I'd be worried that we might be picking up another strong state league footballer rather than someone who will have an almost immediate impact at AFL level as you are putting forward.

 

[Scodog10]

You seem to be very keen on Sokol despite his apparent athletic and physical deficiencies as an undersized key forward at AFL level (or at least that is how he has played at WAFL level).

I've had a bit of a poke around through his stars (or what stats I could find) but from what I can see Sokol hasn't had any real history of being the prolific goal kicker he has been more recently p(although he does appear to have popped up with a bag every now and then across his career) or marking target before the last handful of games from the season just passed:

Last 7 games: 38 goals (5.4 per game) / 72 (10.3 per game)

Previous 13 games (2019): 22 goals (1.7 per game) / 94 marks (7.2 per game)

Previous 77 games (career): 143 goals (1.85 per game) / 481 marks (6.2 per game.

I'm also somewhat wary of those impressive last 7 games in a season where Subiaco basically dominated every other team in the competition - for the record the first 5 of those 7 games were against teams that finished 4th, 6th, 10th, 5th and 9th out if 10 (none with more than a 50-50 record for the season). The semi final and grand final were against the "next best" team in South Fremantle, but even against them Subiaco cruised to convincing wins in their last 3 meetings (including finals) after losing to them earlier in the season by 22 points (their only loss).

There's no doubt his more recent form and performance in the grand final have been impressive, but is that just a bit of a hot streak against seemingly inferior opposition (in light of Subiaco's season overall the assertion that the WAFL is stronger is at least somewhat questionable for 2019), or was it actually a sign of AFL level ability revealing itself pretty much out of nowhere?

i think there is some risk here considering the step up he would have to make against AFL-quality backmen (especially on the speed / endurance front where the majority of AFL backmen have good closing speed and can run all day) - at 24 he might be worth a late round flier (or a rookie draft pick) but I'd be worried that we might be picking up anorhee strong state league footballer rather than someone who will have an almost immediate impact at AFL level as you are putting forward.

Thanks for the context

It certainly paints a different picture to the world beater that’s coming in and dislodging guys that have been locks in the 22 of a top 4 team 2 years running. If something sounds too good to be true it generally is!

 

[manicpie]

You seem to be very keen on Sokol despite his apparent athletic and physical deficiencies as an undersized key forward at AFL level (or at least that is how he has played at WAFL level).

I've had a bit of a poke around through his stars (or what stats I could find) but from what I can see Sokol hasn't had any real history of being the prolific goal kicker he has been more recently p(although he does appear to have popped up with a bag every now and then across his career) or marking target before the last handful of games from the season just passed:

Last 7 games: 38 goals (5.4 per game) / 72 (10.3 per game)

Previous 13 games (2019): 22 goals (1.7 per game) / 94 marks (7.2 per game)

Previous 77 games (career): 143 goals (1.85 per game) / 481 marks (6.2 per game.

I'm also somewhat wary of those impressive last 7 games in a season where Subiaco basically dominated every other team in the competition - for the record the first 5 of those 7 games were against teams that finished 4th, 6th, 10th, 5th and 9th out if 10 (none with more than a 50-50 record for the season). The semi final and grand final were against the "next best" team in South Fremantle, but even against them Subiaco cruised to convincing wins in their last 3 meetings (including finals) after losing to them earlier in the season by 22 points (their only loss).

There's no doubt his more recent form and performance in the grand final have been impressive, but is that just a bit of a hot streak against seemingly inferior opposition (in light of Subiaco's season overall the assertion that the WAFL is stronger is at least somewhat questionable for 2019), or was it actually a sign of AFL level ability revealing itself pretty much out of nowhere?

i think there is some risk here considering the step up he would have to make against AFL-quality backmen (especially on the speed / endurance front where the majority of AFL backmen have good closing speed and can run all day) - at 24 he might be worth a late round flier (or a rookie draft pick) but I'd be worried that we might be picking up anorhee strong state league footballer rather than someone who will have an almost immediate impact at AFL level as you are putting forward.

Sokol doesn't play key forward, he plays HFF, and going by your stats his marking and goal kicking is elite, Sokol works his opponents over by running them ragged. He would an outstanding player to have on the list and would be ready to go round 1, for a late pick or rookie we could do a lot worse

 

[partypie]

Sokol doesn't play key forward, he plays HFF, and going by your stats his marking and goal kicking is elite, Sokol works his opponents over by running them ragged. He would an outstanding player to have on the list and would be ready to go round 1, for a late pick or rookie we could do a lot worse

Apologies for not being clear - by key forward I meant "main avenue to goal" rather than "key position forward" - I'd left out the "position" there deliberately but I can see it's probably still a bit unclear.

Sokol does appear to function as a forward by running all day, but that is against relatively weak WAFL standard opposition and he won't have anywhere near as much luck working over AFL standard backmen who can also run all day - I can see him possibly struggling to gain separation on his opponent a lot of the time if he doesn't have speed and isn't overly agile as KM noted.

I also don't think his marking and goal kicking stats prior to those last 7 games look all that elite for a state league footballer playing WAFL - off the top of my head 1.5-2 goals and 7 marks a game doesn't really jump off the page in terms of a state league footballer automatically being able to have a similar impact at AFL level (where literally everything in his game will be harder for him to execute against much, much stronger competition).

The point about the WAFL not really looking as strong as it has in previous years still stands though - Subiaco basically mauled the rest of the league in 2019.

I'm not really for or against him for the record, more playing devil's advocate as he's just a really hard one to peg in terms of how to interpret that run of 6-7 games, versus his output earlier in the season and across the rest of his career to this point.