Biggest what-if in the AFL this decade

[dustysnecktattoo]

That level of booing? F#*k off.

Stagers get booed when they get a free they didn’t earn. Goodes was booed when he was all alone in 30 metres of free space on the outer wing. HE WAS NOT BOOED BECAUSE HE SUPPOSEDLY STAGED FOR FREES.

Pure and simple.

And to say it was entirely his fault that the booing got worse is so much bulls#*t it’s unbelievable.

If you won’t acknowledge truth or reality then there’s no helping you.

Pathetic.

And as I’ve said, it escalated to that after his and the media agenda, get a clue and stop spinning crap!

 

[Happy_Neale]

If Goodes had not been Australian Of The Year - which was a head scratcher with some people I know, who don't follow AFL/sport, as they were surprised he was even nominated....

Not anyones fault your mates don't know about how much he does for the indigineous community though, is it?

 

[W. Smithers]

What if Hawkins played in the Prelim

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

And as I’ve said, it escalated to that after his and the media agenda, get a clue and stop spinning crap!

Stop apologising for racism. Makes you look suspect.

 

[deanc]

Not anyones fault your mates don't know about how much he does for the indigineous community though, is it?

Actually, their protests were about him receiving the award because he was a famous sportsmen, given there were two other indigenous Australians who were also nominated and according to my friends equally deserving, together with a few world renowned Aus scientists at the time...

I had the same reservations when Pat Rafter won the AOTY in 2002, mainly due to the quality of the other nominees that year and also because he had not been an Australian resident for years...

 

[Forward Press]

I booed when he staged/dived/played for Sydney. I still booed directly after the incident with the girl in the crowd.

However, when Goodes and other indigenous players then expressed the view that the booing escalated because he decided to become active in speaking up for indigenous rights and was now racially motivated - then why would you continue to boo? People were now booing even though he was doing nothing controversial at all apart from daring to play football. I believe it when people said they booed for non-racial reasons - so why now associate yourself with people that are?

What is there to argue? Really don't know why we're still going over this.

 

[Pessimistic]

That level of booing? F#*k off.

Stagers get booed when they get a free they didn’t earn. Goodes was booed when he was all alone in 30 metres of free space on the outer wing. HE WAS NOT BOOED BECAUSE HE SUPPOSEDLY STAGED FOR FREES.

Pure and simple.

And to say it was entirely his fault that the booing got worse is so much bulls#*t it’s unbelievable.

If you won’t acknowledge truth or reality then there’s no helping you.

Pathetic.

something always bothered me. The ones who didn’t boo knew exactly why there was booing. But the ones who admitted to booing weren’t sure at all?

are we massive massive mind readers? #whitefellamagic

 

[Pessimistic]

I booed when he staged/dived/played for Sydney. I still booed directly after the incident with the girl in the crowd.

However, when Goodes and other indigenous players then expressed the view that the booing escalated because he decided to become active in speaking up for indigenous rights and was now racially motivated - then why would you continue to boo? People were now booing even though he was doing nothing controversial at all apart from daring to play football. I believe it when people said they booed for non-racial reasons - so why now associate yourself with people that are?

What is there to argue? Really don't know why we're still going over this.

I didn’t continue to boo purely because I never saw him play live again

That level of booing? F#*k off.

Stagers get booed when they get a free they didn’t earn. Goodes was booed when he was all alone in 30 metres of free space on the outer wing. HE WAS NOT BOOED BECAUSE HE SUPPOSEDLY STAGED FOR FREES.

Pure and simple.

And to say it was entirely his fault that the booing got worse is so much bulls#*t it’s unbelievable.

If you won’t acknowledge truth or reality then there’s no helping you.

Pathetic.

and so it goes. Nothing new to add. And both sides it seems

 

[QuietB]

What if we got Buddy.

Tambling would have gone to a proper club

 

[QuietB]

What if the AFL allowed the higher placed team to play the GF at their home ground.

Chris Scott would have melted about something else

 

[BigVic]

Brisbane won their Semi against GWS this year. Would've played Richmond in the Grand Final which would be a better spectacle to watch as a neutral

 

[QuietB]

what if we had chosen Dimma Hardwick as coach instead of MathewKnights back in 2008??..

What if Hawthorn took Wallace instead of Clarko

 

[JerryRapidRiser]

Not to be the guy that goes all "well I've got black friends" but my indigenous and I were chatting about Goodes during it all, and to my surprise they admitted to booing him because they didn't like how he was going about it. Are they racist?

With how many people there are on the planet, with how many different cultures and experiences a person can have, with the circle of people they are in, with all the variables that can change someone's perspective and behaviour and how many different ways something can be viewed I refuse to believe it was purely a racist issue. I know in the eyes of people who think if you booed you were racist that just makes me a part of the problem and they are entitled to think that, but I will continue to fight racism in my own way and treat racists like the troglodylic mongoloids they are.

But laying a blanket of racism over everyone involved is about as reductive as racists themselves and is only going to cause defensive dickheads, racist or not, to fight back. It's not right, but if you don't take into account the many different types of individual in a problem like this, you aren't going to find any middle ground to begin learning and healing. You will just continue to put up walls to keep people out that might otherwise be on your side.

Yeah nice try but that argument ignores the fact I have already acknowledged there are exceptions to the rule (as there always are). No doubt some indigenous people don't like Goodes (it's actually pretty disrespectful and condescending to assume that just because any 2 people are of indigenous descent that they must like each other and therefore if they don't then it's newsworthy).

Those counter arguments can be rebutted best by John Oliver when he asked satirically whether unless we could stop all drugs there was no point policing them at all.

Try and quote me on where I said everyone who booed him was a racist- I said the whole saga was racially motivated. You need to get to a base level of comprehension before typing a novel.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

What if there had not been one rule change or interpretation change the last 10 years, we might still be watching Aussie Rules Football.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

What if North went with Dimma instead of Brads Scotts.

 

[Topkent]

A teenager kicked out who was being racist. Should he have simply said nothing?

I don't know because I wasn't in his shoes I was merely providing context to what happened.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I bought draw insurance usually bookies payin 45 dollars so I assumed a close finish

I probably should’ve done the same with my emotional hedge bet in 2018. Could’ve been catastrophic.

 

[BruceTempany14]

Well sure that's just proving that there are exceptions to every rule.

But when you compare Goodes to other players who get booed without having actually done anything in the game itself to deserve it what company does he
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[Forward Press]

Calling people fools because they don’t agree with your opinion. You sound like Rohan Connolly, ok to give it but can’t take it .

Just leave it and pontificate somewhere else . Call Gerard Whatley for sympathy .You sound like some of the panellists on Q&A or The Panel .

People boo for a variety of reasons to a variety of players ,they boo because the can . Fk me I bet you were quiet when Andrew Symons was vilified or When Marlene Kairouz managed to racially insult every Irish male that lives here . Did you get up and protest when Serena made her false claims early this year ? I bet you didn’t . Did you get on your high horse about Brendan Nash’s racial vilification when playing for West Indies ?

I boo Selwood because he ducks , I boo Dangerfield because he’s a w***er ,I boo treloar ( mainly laugh out loud nowadays ) because he tried to be clever and came off like a d&ckhead and I boo Viney because I don’t like his hair style ( Thanks Sydney Stack !!) . Or is that wrong or will you tie in something that is apparently wrong ?
Over this call our mentality .
You , like the AFL need to Stop being the thought police.


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"Why do you boo Adam Goodes?"
"Because he's a sniper"
"Why not Chris Judd?"
"Because Goodes also plays for free kicks"
"Why not Joel Selwood?"
"Because Goodes also did that provocative war dance"
"Why not Lewis Jetta?"
"Because Goodes is also all up himself"
"How so?"
"Because of his Australian of the Year speech"
"What does that have to do with the game?"
"I just don't like his attitude, that's all"
"Why don't you boo all the players that are outspoken off the field then?"
"I can choose who I want to boo"
"But some fans are clearly booing for racial reasons and Goodes and indigenous players have now also asked for it stop because of their belief that it's racially motivated now"
"I'm not racist, some might be, but I'm not, and I'll boo whoever I damn well please"
"But you get so damn offended when we criticise you then for throwing your lot in with the actual racists"
"Shut up you leftie snowflake"

That basically sums up the whole sordid affair.

 

[emuboy]

I often wonder what would have happened at the Gold Coast Suns if they had continued with coach Guy McKenna after 2014.

He had done a pretty good job in the early years, and it was only injuries that caused the fade out in late 2014 that cost the Suns their first finals series, not failures in the coaches box. Alistair Clarkson couldn't have got the Hawks to the finals with an injury list that long. That no explanation was offered by the club for McKenna's dismissal made it all the more strange.

In Round 1 2015 the Gold Coast took to the MCG against Melbourne, and were soundly trounced by the Demons. Watching that game, you could see that something appeared off about the Suns, something more than a team simply having a bad game, and they have never been the same since, struggling on and off the field, the enthusiasm seen in 2013 and 2014 gone. Would McKenna have made a difference, or would the club still have slipped backwards?

 

[ep2018]

what if we had chosen Dimma Hardwick as coach instead of MathewKnights back in 2008??..

Also similar but, what if the Eagles coaching selection committee refused to allow the late application of Adam Simpson? All in the know with the club believe Sumich was about to be chosen and our selection committee and interview process was just for show, but the young fresh faced Simmo was allowed a late application, wowed the committee and the rest is history.

 

[ep2018]

The Goodes scenario was just a huge example of the wet paint phenomenon. Similar to how Ablett was booed this year after the AFL said not to, once people were told not the boo Goodes the booing continued and grew, much like telling the average person not to touch a freshly painted wall.

 

[Furn2]

I still wonder how the 2011 GF would have gone had we held on against the Pies.

 

[telsor]

Stop apologising for racism. Makes you look suspect.

Stop blaming everything on racism when there is a simpler and more logical conclusion.

 

[telsor]

what if we had chosen Dimma Hardwick as coach instead of MathewKnights back in 2008??..

He would have been white anted and brought down to make way for the messiah, just like what happened with Knights.

It'd be a loss to Richmond (how big depends on who we got instead), but wouldn't change much for Essendon.