Opinion Can Dustin Martin be the GOAT? (Answer: no)
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Imagine if you guys go on to win another grand final or 2 and Dusty does what Dusty does and snares another Norm Smith or two and in between gets another Brownlow or 2. He will be so far ahead of any other player in terms of team and individual awards it won't be funny.
Lethal Leigh is currently the GOAT but Dusty is coming at him fast
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This league never has, We judge players how they perform game after game.
Bob Skilton only played 1 final yet he is still one of the best and greatest players in AFL history.
No. When players perform in big games ALONG with performing well most weeks in home and away, that's what we judge them on. Dusty does both of this. In fact he performs BETTER and goes beyond in the hardest thing to do which is perform in big games consistently. Thus he is the greatest
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He's not the GOAT. ................... yet
But give him a few more years and it'll be hard not put in that position. If he does another 2017 this year he'll have to be thereabouts.
But give him a few more years and it'll be hard not put in that position. If he does another 2017 this year he'll have to be thereabouts.
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As a completely neutral supporter - actually, probably a more negative on Richmond supporter due to outspoken family members - Dusty will finish his career with a case for the GOAT tag.
What is most frightening about Dusty right now is his durability. He simply does not miss games or get injured for long periods, he could play for another 5 or 6 years if he really wanted to. I'm not sure he seems the type of bloke who will want to play that long but he most definitely could. He has the type of game that he could carry into his 30s as his advantage is in skill and strength at the contest, not so much speed.
To be the true GOAT, I think you have to have success in both premierships and the regular season. GAJ limited his chances by taking the money and running to Gold Coast, when he could have likely won another one or two premierships and potentially Norm Smiths with Geelong. Add that to his record and it's undeniable - but he didn't, so it isn't.
Ultimately big games and finals make for the best way to evaluate a player, and the 3 Norm Smiths are a freak effort that I'd think only he has a chance to break, despite maybe not deserving one of them. If he can rope in another MVP, another Brownlow, some more AA selections it'll whittle away GAJs 'regular season' GOAT record and put Dusty even further in the frame.
Lethal has the MVP named after him so he's definitely the standard that needs to be surpassed, GAJ didn't do it but Dusty has a few years of his best football to give it a tilt.
What is most frightening about Dusty right now is his durability. He simply does not miss games or get injured for long periods, he could play for another 5 or 6 years if he really wanted to. I'm not sure he seems the type of bloke who will want to play that long but he most definitely could. He has the type of game that he could carry into his 30s as his advantage is in skill and strength at the contest, not so much speed.
To be the true GOAT, I think you have to have success in both premierships and the regular season. GAJ limited his chances by taking the money and running to Gold Coast, when he could have likely won another one or two premierships and potentially Norm Smiths with Geelong. Add that to his record and it's undeniable - but he didn't, so it isn't.
Ultimately big games and finals make for the best way to evaluate a player, and the 3 Norm Smiths are a freak effort that I'd think only he has a chance to break, despite maybe not deserving one of them. If he can rope in another MVP, another Brownlow, some more AA selections it'll whittle away GAJs 'regular season' GOAT record and put Dusty even further in the frame.
Lethal has the MVP named after him so he's definitely the standard that needs to be surpassed, GAJ didn't do it but Dusty has a few years of his best football to give it a tilt.
What needs to be considered is the time / Era they play in
I have heard players like KB mention that he would not have been as dominant in todays game as he was in his time and players are stronger faster and can do alot more things physically. Then you have team defences etc.
Mathews was also talking about the same thing and also mentioned the game is alot more demanding and players are alot more even physical strength wise and this is where Mathews was so dominant.
If Leigh Mathews played today would he be as dominant ? Maybe
If Martin played 30 years ago would he be as good ? Probably better
but its ll just opinions and there will be no definitive answer
Not doubting Dusty's ability - he is a phenomenal player and thoroughly deserving of the accolades he has received.
If he continues on the current trajectory, there is no doubt he'll be spoken about as one of the greats of all time.
Right here today, I'd still have Matthews over him - check Matthews' finals record / goals kicked - you'll see why it's a fair argument.
In 1971 - Matthews averaged 1.9 goals, 23 disposals and 5 marks a game - he was 19 years of age at the time
As most Richmond supporters would admit, Dusty didn't really hit top gear until he was 24-25 - Matthews did it pretty much from day one
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I still rate Carey as the greatest I have seen.
Martin is clearly the best going around, daylight between him and the next guy, but not the goat, IMO.
As a dogs supporter I can't ever recall him tearing us a new one, as Carey and Franklin had done to us on many an occasion. I've never been afraid of what he could do to us as I was with those guys. Maybe because we've never met in a final and he is most certainly a finals specialist, but I just don't hold him in that same calibre as those guys. Yet.
Martin is clearly the best going around, daylight between him and the next guy, but not the goat, IMO.
As a dogs supporter I can't ever recall him tearing us a new one, as Carey and Franklin had done to us on many an occasion. I've never been afraid of what he could do to us as I was with those guys. Maybe because we've never met in a final and he is most certainly a finals specialist, but I just don't hold him in that same calibre as those guys. Yet.
Matthews is a great. No question. But obviously different eras , and goals were much easier to come by those days. Defences are alot more tighter now so it's way harder to do what Matthews did. Thus comparing eras is hard. We really only have our own opinion. Which is fair.
I think the fact that dusty is being spoken about in the Matthews carey etc group is pretty much good enough . Matthews himself even said dusty is the only player he is not offended when being compared to.
Though obviously to me dusty is the GOAT. For others they may have a different view on who is their GOAT and it's fair enough.
Lel um last year , 3 brownlow votes , 3 goals and 25+ touches....
Unless I read it wrong . How did dusty not deserve even one of the norm smiths LOL
He literally changed the grand final last year ... And dominated and was clearly BOG
You honestly believe there’s daylight between Martin and the next best player in the league?
There might be daylight between his accolades and the next best, but that’s about it.
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Absolutely they would; that moment when the game was on the line against Carlton, slipped over, all the Carlton player had to do was hold him down and it was holding the ball, and he slipped out...glorious. But it's hardly the end of the story.
I bet 17 coaches would give their left nut to have NicNat in the ruck as well but he's not GOAT either.
Nat Fyfe is still sitting on two Brownlows to Dusty's one.
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Yeah I do, he's that good. Not the goat though.
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Last year maybe. I'm talking normal footy, full length quarters etc. I honestly can't recall him ever torching us.
Probably because our midfield is pretty handy, but there's no fear factor coming up against Richmond. Carey, Franklin, Ablett, Matthew Lloyd scared me heading to the ground on gameday. IMO that plays a big part of being considered the goat.
Carey for mine.
Pretty sure if you look back he recorded high disposal strong games in 19 18 and 17 against the dogs. Im fact he has a pretty good record against all sides. Nothing much he could do about 2020, that was the "normal" for all sides so you can't really just look past it. Probably no fear factor as you guys were irrelevant after 2016. Thus you weren't really contending with us and not our rivals
And lol yeah scaring some random bigfooty poster is one of the main criteria to be GOAT. Sorry leigh Matthews you ain't in you didn't scare who let the dogs out in his bed last night
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Geez you Richmond suporters are precious. God forbid I state my opinion that he's not the GOAT for the reasons I listed earlier.
Since 2016 we've played the all conquering Richmond 4 times. Won twice and lost twice. Meh. But the dogs have had the wood over Richmond for well over a decade, so that's nothing new.
Can honestly say he hasn't dominated those games, nothing memorable anyway.
Is the best in the comp? Yes he is. Is he the goat? No that belongs to Carey, who dominated in an era of real footballers.
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A new GOAT is brought up for discussion every few years. Wayne Carey is the best I've seen. From those who've played this century, I rate Ablett jnr higher. Martin reminds me a lot of Voss, though I'd still take Voss because of his leadership skills even though he was a lesser player.
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Of that list I agree with you on Carey and Ablett. Add Dunstall and Lockett for me.
They certainly consistently did a number on my side when I went to watch them play. In saying that, even though they were dominating over my side, it was still amazing to watch.
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Are you suggesting Martin doesn't have leadership skills?
Nick Reiwoldt said the other day when out on the ground listening to qtr and three qtr time huddles, Dusty is the most vocal in the team.
He's immensely respected as a leader by the club and players on and off the field.
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It's all relative. I consider Voss one of the strongest captains of the AFL era. Do Richmond consider Dusty to be captain material?
On field he's a leader, but he's not a media front man or the public face of the club, that part of the captaincy would not suit him.
