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[Mattrox]

Jenkins is easily the most overrated player we have at the moment. I can't believe how much faith people have in the guy. I wouldn't trust him to get the job done at all. The only reason he's in the side is because our other forward options are either laughable (McKernan) or untried (Johnston).

Petrenko needs to go. He's nothing but a liability at the moment. I don't care if he's underdone, out-of-form, whatever, he needs a spell in the SANFL. Sando needs to take a look at Craig's tenure to see what happens when you pick favourites and continue to blindly put faith in players who constantly let you down.

Jenkins has 12 games and McKernan had 24 and has shown he will be a far better player than Mckernan will ever be. I think many can see his development and are excited about his future. He also has a good attitude where as Mckernan sooks too much.

I don't know any poster who thinks Jenkins is anything other than an exciting prospect. He will develop. He is developing.

Do we expect every young/inexperienced player to automatically be awesome and unstoppable? We need to get 50 games into a bunch of players without compromising the integrity of the team.

Brown looks promising.... 4 games
Martin 17 games.
Riley 10
Smith 36
Shaw 14
Wright had proven his spot on 42 games

A side can't just throw all the youngsters on the ground at one. They all have to develop and win their spot. Before you write off Jenkins, Johnston better be a great replacement.......

Likewise if Pets is to go who will bring a better performance to the park?

I'm not saying you are wrong, but you need to have good alternatives.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Jenkins has shown more than McKernan or Johnston and deserves to hold his spot for the time being. I'm just not convinced he has what it takes. Time will tell.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but you need to have good alternatives.

On the subject of alternatives, I'm going to nominate this inanimate carbon rod to come in for Petrenko.

 

[PCORF]

In: 100% Team Effort with attacking footy.
Out: The slow nervous Crows side.

 

[Canuck Crow]

Normally agree with a lot of what you say but not this time with Petrenko. Just finished watching the replay, all players in today's game must be prepared to harass and tackle or they shouldn't get a game. Yes Petrenko does this part of the game better than most but he didn't pick up one ball clean all night. He never looked like taking a mark or kicking the ball to advantage because he was always under pressure due to his fumbling.He fumbled a hell of a lot and it puts everyone under pressure.

When on song he is a valuable contributor but he needs to find some footy form. His great work at the moment isn't that great. Marks,kicks and goals are pretty vital for a mid size forward. Time to get multiple scoring options in the forward lines. Needs a spell in the SANFL, his attack on the ball and tackling needs to be supplemented with clean possession then he becomes a serious threat as a forward.

I don't think Petrenko was the only guy who couldn't find a clean handle on the night, I remember thinking to my self that in terms of footy skills the crows seemed at least a week behind the bombers. So the effort was often there, but they couldn't handle the ball or if they did, they couldn't use it well.

 

[LC40]

I don't think Petrenko was the only guy who couldn't find a clean handle on the night, I remember thinking to my self that in terms of footy skills the crows seemed at least a week behind the bombers. So the effort was often there, but they couldn't handle the ball or if they did, they couldn't use it well.

Of course Petrenko wasn't the only player who had a bad game. Unfortunately he isn't the most gifted player in the squad and needs to be 100% on his game to be effective. Yes he tackles,chases and harasses but he needs to be a contributor as well. In this league you just can't carry players who on most occasions aren't clean.
I like what Petrenko brings to the team he can play but he needs to find some form he just fumbled all night.

That's what you use the SANFL for. He goes back to a league which is physical. If he fumbles the ball he will get hit, pretty quickly he will pick his game up for it is a tad slower and if he is clean then he will thrive.
That's what the 'reserves' are for. Players find some form, get some some confidence so when they are promoted they're supposedly on top of their game and ready to contribute straight away. Players do have form slumps as do coaches and they have to work through them.
Wayne's World pointed out he is coming back from a shoulder injury and is in the process of recuperating and obviously the coaching staff like what he brings to the team. Agree a 100%, I love it too when he is on song but you can't have a fumbling player who is out of form either. Other players just need to pick up the slack. Lyons, Callinan, Riley, Johnson are waiting in the wings surely they can step in and make a contribution or why are they in our squad.
I keep hearing that we need depth in a squad to apply pressure on non performers but if you don't act then it's just rhetoric. I might be jumping the gun on Petrenko after one game but sometimes the team needs to get a kick up the arse to get their attention.
If selected I hope he has a blinder but on what I actually witnessed his skill performance the other night was not up to AFL standard......in that case I just hope it was an anomaly.

 

[King Elvis]

Little harsh on Jaensch. He was one of the few players who didn't constantly turn the ball over last night. He ended up with 13 disposals @ 93% efficiency compared to most guys on the list kicking at 50%.

In - Crouch, Tambling
Out - Petrenko, Brown (injured)

How many times did he run and carry the footy and make himself dangerous, versus taking a relatively safe option?

I was watching it with people, haven't watched the replay yet, but I didn't think he made himself dangerous... And I really don't think he's a defender, isn't big enough or strong enough, doesn't cover the ground quick enough, but, most importantly, he doesn't appear to have the discipline and concentration required to play as an accountable defender.


I think Petrenko and Callinan need to be SANFL players who demand AFL selection; Petrenko hasn't done anywhere near enough, for a long time (I still claim the selection of those two cost us the prelim) and shouldn't be an automatic selection.

 

[Skippy231]

We need to play another genuine forward, whether it be Smack or Johnston and we missed Callinan big time.

 

[King Elvis]

I'd give Jenkins a month.

I'd definitely consider bringing Johnston or McKernan in as well, give them a month.

In a month, if they aren't gelling or contributing, then drop one of them, and bring the other in.

Jenkins and Tex need to play 4-6 weeks together, then we'll see whether they're going to gel and work it out. It took Tex/Tip a long time to learn to work together, this will be no different.

But I don't think our forward structure is correct or balanced at present.

 

[Jars458]

In Crouch Ellis Yeolman Shaw (if Brown not fit)
Out Jaensch Vince Brown (if injured)

We need a geuine quick defender. Lets give EY a chance. I know it wont happen but it should. Vince just doesn't do enough.

 

[Allefgib]

Out: Petrenko, Jaensch
In: Mckernan, Crouch

 

[Mr_Moogle]

How about the players who were actually to blame for Fri night....what do you propose happens to them?

The players who were actually to blame? Who would you be talking about? You want them to drop Dangerfield, Van Berlo, Reilly, Rutten and all the other players who had a bad night? All those guys need is a kick up the ass. We all know they have the talent.

I can think of only one player that has been consistently out of form for a while now and that's Petrenko. I'm not blaming him for the loss against Essendon but he needs some time in the SANFL. I certainly wouldn't drop Jenkins. I don't really rate him but he's well ahead of the other guys pushing for his spot.

 

[MRB37]

Suppose they also have to think about the fact that Danger could have another quiet night if Raines goes to him. As I saw pointed out on Twitter, only 3 players (Ablett x2, Murphy and Griffen) had more that 20 possies when Raines was playing on them in 2012.

 

[Wood_Duck]

If you were to pick a player as a forward only, would it be Jenkins or Johnston?

 

[King Elvis]

Honestly don't know.

We were ahead of the curve with Tippett; a ~200cm mobile forward is going to be like gold in the next few years. It's a massive issue for the other side and gives you a really powerful structure to build around.

It's the same argument re Tippett; he's not the best footballer in the world, but his value, structurally, is massive.

 

[MRB37]

If you were to pick a player as a forward only, would it be Jenkins or Johnston?

Johnston, if only because he has runs on the board at SANFL level when it comes to being a goalkicker.

 

[Mattrox]

Johnston, if only because he has runs on the board at SANFL level when it comes to being a goalkicker.

Have you checked Jenkins AFL goal kicking?

Is there room for both?

 

[Paladin]

How many times did he run and carry the footy and make himself dangerous, versus taking a relatively safe option?

I was watching it with people, haven't watched the replay yet, but I didn't think he made himself dangerous... And I really don't think he's a defender, isn't big enough or strong enough, doesn't cover the ground quick enough, but, most importantly, he doesn't appear to have the discipline and concentration required to play as an accountable defender.


I think Petrenko and Callinan need to be SANFL players who demand AFL selection; Petrenko hasn't done anywhere near enough, for a long time (I still claim the selection of those two cost us the prelim) and shouldn't be an automatic selection.

Do you remember Jaensch getting a goal kicked on him? I thought he did his job defensively and used the ball well. I can understand what your saying about being dangerous and getting more ball but i thought he did his job and that will come. Most importantly he needed to prove he can defend which i thought he did.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Do you remember Jaensch getting a goal kicked on him? I thought he did his job defensively and used the ball well. I can understand what your saying about being dangerous and getting more ball but i thought he did his job and that will come. Most importantly he needed to prove he can defend which i thought he did.

Who was actually Jaensch's direct opponent?

 

[VSTone]

Tambling to play petrenkos role?

or maybe Jaensch in Petrenko's role and Tambling in Jaensch's

 

[MRB37]

Have you checked Jenkins AFL goal kicking?

Is there room for both?

Yea, he's an accurate set shot no doubt. I know he is capable of kicking 2-3 goals a game if he gets the opportunity, which is what the Crows need, another guy who can kick 30-40 goals for the year. If I was picking a forward only option, i'd give first crack to Johnston, but Jenkins provides more in other areas of the game than Johnston, I understand (and support) the selection of Jenkins ahead of him because of this.

If Walker is to continue playing outside the forward 50, then yes, I reckon you could play both up there. Jenkins isn't going to be up there the whole time either if he's relieving Jacobs at ruck contests. I've also seen someone post that if picked, Johnston should be the one moving up the field so Walker can stay in the forward territory. I certainly wouldn't want Walker running his guts out every game, so if someone else can take that role for him, that'd be a plus for mine.

 

[BUTTON 92]

Do you remember Jaensch getting a goal kicked on him? .

Who was actually Jaensch's direct opponent?

Davey and Davey kicked 3. All be it at least two were from him getting that soft free and another waiting out the back of a pack.

 

[BUTTON 92]

Vince was very disapointing. He really has dropped off since 2009 badly when he should be hitting his prime.

 

[Paladin]

Davey and Davey kicked 3. All be it at least two were from him getting that soft free and another waiting out the back of a pack.

He wasn't on Davey all night. They kept rotating and it changed when Brown went off. I was at the game and watched Jaensch closely and he did well defensively. Im not going to watch the replay but i didn't see a goal kicked on him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If you were to pick a player as a forward only, would it be Jenkins or Johnston?

Jenkins ......as good a mark & kick as Johnston ...and has shown more ATS

That said .....Johnston potentially adds a vital ingredient to our forward line that we really need ......but hell he has to show something first to get picked ....so far this season .. zippo

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'd give Jenkins a month.

I'd definitely consider bringing Johnston or McKernan in as well, give them a month.

In a month, if they aren't gelling or contributing, then drop one of them, and bring the other in.

Jenkins and Tex need to play 4-6 weeks together, then we'll see whether they're going to gel and work it out. It took Tex/Tip a long time to learn to work together, this will be no different.

But I don't think our forward structure is correct or balanced at present.

Correct ...not given the way we're continueing to bomb the ball into the forwards as if Tippett were still there