Changes for next week

[srv23]

The return of Danger and maybe Knights wouldn't bode too well for a Walker repreive considering the areas Knights and Danger roam.

But Chapman said at the chairmans lunch before the showdown when Danger and Knights were outs that the supporters shouldn't get upset that Walker isn't in because Walker was competing with the likes of Tippett and Burton for spots, not Danger and Knights. (conveniently ignoring the fact that Hendo was also an out and Hendo was in fact the player Walker was dropped for)

If in fact Knights and Danger come in AND the public statement from the club is that the reason Walker didn't come back in was that Danger and Knights are back and taking spots in the forward line, then it will just continue the ongoing hypocritical public statements from the club explaining why Walker is not in the side.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

setting aside the raw idiocy of only looking at the regular season, when were these stats taken? does it include this year?

I'll bet his % looks very different at the end of 2010

And in baseball do they look at career averages or only the play-off games ?

Please explain the fallacy of career stats and what alternative evaluation method you would favor

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think this point is still up for debate. The years where we were a contender (2005 & 2006) was when our list was basically what we had under Ayres. Since then, we have introduced a lot of younger players but let's not kid ourselves - we haven't been anything close to a contender. Even last year when we were a pretty solid outfit, we failed EVERY time we came up against quality opposition.

Thats correct .....two years the popularist theory on this board was that we would be 4-5 years b4 we would be in a position to contend

So to be critical after 3 years of rebuilding is somewhat unrealistic ..... given a lot of our up & comers are still under or around the 50 game mark

Yes we failed in big games last year ....and maybe there are a few building blocks to the puzzle to be added

IMO we need:

1. Another tall forward so we don't become too one dimensional looking for Tippett

2. We need as Cro-Mo said either a lead ruckman or Maric can step up a good second ruckman .....which maybe Sellar or McKernan

3. 2 quality midfielders ......one with pace and another insider
Sloane I think can be the inside .....maybe this years draft may provide the other midfielder

There are still plenty of development to occur with Dangerfield, Walker, Cook, Petrenko, Davis, Otten, Sellar & McKernan .......IMO that's a pretty good group to fill the void left by Goodwin, Edwards & Mcleod ......and it doesn't include Tippett, Mackay, Rutten & Bock who re already good players

 

[WaynesWorld19]

WW if Craig is a massive structure man then why can he not see that by far our best structure from last year involves having 2 ruckman and leaving Tippett permanently in the forward 50? It seems obvious to many of us that this structure will only return when Sellar is fit.

Coaches who strongly believe in their structure will do whatever they can with the personel at their disposal to maintain their structure. Blight believed in the structure of having a big body at CHF who whose only job was to provide a contest - either take the mark or bring the ball to ground, and have players at the fall of the ball to crumb. So depsite not being the most talented CHF, Robran made a name for himself in that psoition in our premiership years.

If Craig truly believed in his structures then one of McKernan or Griffin would have been playing in order to maintain this structure. The reality is he has more confidence in indivuals than his structure.

Absolutely correct there .......We wouldn't have recruited as many talls in recent years if we didn't believe in the theory "good" bigmen win you finals

Until this and last season Craig has predominately had 3 talls both in the forwrd and defensive halves.

Your correct we are badly missing a good CHF ATM ......a lead up tall

The only downside to your POV is that neither Griffin or McKernan have done nothing to deserve their opportunities ......and a bad bigman on the field with the speed of the game is a real liability

McKernan, Davis, and Sellar are all still pups as far as bigmen are concerned.

Davis (4 Games) is my first choice for CHF .......Sellar (13 games) the future FB/CHB ......and I still think McKernan (1 game) will end up like his brother a ruckman / forward

Just give them time .....and don't expect too much from bigmen until at least 22 YO

 

[BunjiMac]

1. Another tall forward so we don't become too one dimensional looking for Tippett

I think we need a tall leading forward who is good at finding space

2. We need as Cro-Mo said either a lead ruckman or Maric can step up a good second ruckman .....which maybe Sellar or McKernan

Agreed

3. 2 quality midfielders ......one with pace and another insider
Sloane I think can be the inside .....maybe this years draft may provide the other midfielder

Agreed.

If we can find that elusive inside midfielder who is a clearance king, I think we will be so much more dangerous. Although Dangerfield is a hard and tough player, I think we will see the best of him when he starts receiving the ball more often.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Neil Craig isn’t being slammed for his win/loss record this year, he is getting criticised because players like Walker are sitting around in the SANFL while we are persisting to try and play someone like Burton (who wont be on our list next year) into form when the season is already shot.

yes and that's where we differ in the appraisal of Craig ......I support his approach

Yes, but Blight had coached Geelong to multiple grand finals (3), in comparison Craig who has not even won a prelim final and has a subpar record in September. So your point about Blight might have been valid if he had a deplorable record in September that was comparable to Craig’s.

I thought the reckoning was anything less than a flag is considered failure .......now there are degrees of failure ?

Y

ou are failing to take into account the strength of Malthouse’s resume before coming to Collingwood. If Craig had gotten us to a grand final in 05 or 06 then of course he will be viewed entirely differently and have far more credits in the bank than he currently has. Do you honestly think that Craig compares favourably with Malthouse ? As I said in a previous post everyone I know in Melbourne looks at Neil Craig as the interstate version of Grant thomas rather than Mick Malthouse

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Highly doubt Craig would be viewed as more favorably for losing GF over any other finals

Hasn't Malthouse in 10 years with Collingwood been a failure by all the definitions put behind Craigs supposed failure?

I

also wouldn’t underestimate where Collingwood are going. If you refer back to Collingwood’s 2003 grand final side you will see that only Presti, Didak and Fraser remain in the 2010 squad. Malthouse has rebuilt the Collingwood side since 2003 and over the past couple of years are showing signs that they are continuing to improve. They are certainly closer at the moment to a grand final than we are.

Now your looking forward in time to qualify success ......but by the same criteria won't acknowledge the similar job Craig has done in way less time than Malthouse .......who BTW has had access to better draft picks than Adelaide

For me Craig’s struggle to let go of that senior group is a sign that as a coach he seems to be more of a finisher than a developer.

This year has certainly exposed that our younger talent still remains on the second tier and has not taken the next step and the drop in performance from our senior group has significantly hurt the club this year.

He was given the job over Eade & Wallace because he is a developer

Again you disagree with the concept of having a core of senior players to provide leadership on & off the field to the younger players .......providing stability in tight games and consistency of performance versus the inconsistency of performance by young players

So far this season I don't think many players at all .....senior or junior can put their hand up and say their playing well

It's customary and fashionable to bag veterans and push the youth train ...... I am a supporter of getting the mix right ... not throwing all the eggs in the youth basket

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Back on the Thread subject


however IMO Birdman and Stevens are likely to be spared

Despite the views on this board neither Stevens or Burton will be dropped on last weeks performance .......Dangerfield will play forward in a role that Walker could play which debunks the theory Burton is keeping Walker out

 

[BunjiMac]

Again you disagree with the concept of having a core of senior players to provide leadership on & off the field to the younger players .......providing stability in tight games and consistency of performance versus the inconsistency of performance by young players

So far this season I don't think many players at all .....senior or junior can put their hand up and say their playing well

It's customary and fashionable to bag veterans and push the youth train ...... I am a supporter of getting the mix right ... not throwing all the eggs in the youth basket

It would have been great if they were all doing that this year, unfortunately it seems only McLeod has been performing this role on a consistent basis out of all the vetereans.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think we need a tall leading forward who is good at finding space

That's what I said ....why the emoticon?


If we can find that elusive inside midfielder who is a clearance king, I think we will be so much more dangerous. Although Dangerfield is a hard and tough player, I think we will see the best of him when he starts receiving the ball more often.[/QUOTE]

Got a hunch Sloane could be that player ......Dangerfields strength is he can play inside and out BUT his strength of body and aggression says his best role is getting the hard ball and clearances .......with his strength already he's hard to stop

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It would have been great if they were all doing that this year, unfortunately it seems only McLeod has been performing this role on a consistent basis out of all the vetereans.

Correct ......I argue though Edwards and Goodwin should not be in the midfield

It's been the poor performance of Vince and Thompson, and injury/poor form to Dangerfield that has forced Goodwin/Edwards into the midfield ......where the speed of the game has definitely caught them out

 

[MarcusP2]

That's what I said ....why the emoticon?

I think he's implying we already have a tall leading forward who's good at finding space. He's just playing for Norwood right now.

 

[Dangarman]

Back on the Thread subject

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...to-tackle-kangas/story-e6frecoc-1225865910526

the article suggests that Danger will definitely play and Knights is a strong chance

Sellar and Henderson returning to play for their sanfl clubs is also good news

IMO the selection of Danger and possibly Knights will put more pressure on the Burton decision, Cook and Jaensch are the 2 other obvious players that will be under some pressure.

All this seems to be pending on the fitness of Knights, Danger, Macca and Johncock, so we wait with anticipation

My thoughts

IN - Walker, Danger (if fit) and Knights (if fit)
Out - Burton, Stevens and Johncock (if inj)

however IMO Birdman and Stevens are likely to be spared

Ahh, ya gotta love the media.

Compare above link to this one:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/crows-suffer-double-blow/story-e6frf9jf-1225864594116

Adelaide Now:

Despite facing an "indefinite" period on the sidelines when the club's injury list was distributed this week, Knights has shrugged off his nagging foot ailment enough to push his claims at training this afternoon.

Super footy:

Forward Chris Knights is unlikely to recover from a foot injury and face the Roos

Adelaide Now:

Andrew McLeod is more likely than Graham Johncock to recover from their shoulder ailments received against Richmond on Sunday.

Super Footy:

McLeod and Johncock both injured shoulders during Adelaide's first win of the season against Richmond on Sunday.
Both have been cleared of structural damage but are doubtful starters against the Kangaroos.


So, believe what you want!!!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think he's implying we already have a tall leading forward who's good at finding space. He's just playing for Norwood right now.

I was talking lead-up CHF

To me Walker at FF ....Tippett out of a pocket, covers lead options and high balls

But we need the lead-up CHF that Robran / Perrie did

 

[Vader]

To be fair, those articles were written at different stages during the week.

Just because a player escapes without structural damage to their shoulder, it does not automatically follow that they will be fit to play the following week. Thus, there is no inconsistency between the last 2 comments.

Knights improvement has been unexpectedly rapid. Two days ago he wasn't expected to play. Given his performance at training yesterday, he's now rated a reasonable chance. The seeming discrepancy between the first two comments may simply be attributed to the day on which the story was written - assuming they're not from the same day!

 

[WALL-e]

Johncock out, Burton omitted, Walker IN.

 

[Vader]

Johncock out, Burton omitted, Walker IN.

Source?

Edit: Never mind, saw it on the Team Thursday chat session too.

 

[BunjiMac]

Johncock out, Burton omitted, Walker IN.

Just noticed that!!!

I guess we are all on the same page after all

 

[Vader]

Knights won't play for the Crows - may play SANFL (they were somewhat evasive there).
Walker definitely IN.

Presumably the changes then are:
OUT: Johncock, Burton
IN: Dangermouse, Walker

I think most people will be happy with that outcome (even if they're disappointed that Johncock didn't get over his injury in time to play).

 

[WALL-e]

Source?

Edit: Never mind, saw it on the Team Thursday chat session too.

Please explain?

 

[Vader]

Burton not playing at all this week - having a rest to do rehab on his knee.

 

[madstar]

On the afc website blog.

 

[WALL-e]

Craig said the Bird man couldn't play SANFL at a level to push for selection, must get his knee right.

 

[Vader]

Please explain?

Team Thursday Round 8 - on the AFC website. Chat session with Dave Burtenshaw and Callum Young.

Burtenshaw is the Crows Communications Manager. Young is his assistant.

 

[BunjiMac]

Article on news.com.au

BRETT "Birdman" Burton has been grounded with Crows coach Neil Craig axing the specialist forward from Saturday's line-up to play North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium - and ordering him into the gym to rebuild strength in his legs.

Burton will not return to SANFL action this weekend with Craig saying match fitness is not the issue for his one-time gamebreaker.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/birdmans-wings-clipped-for-saturdays-line-up/story-e6frecoc-1225866147556

 

[Riggy1]

working on his knee hey?

Won't happen
the best you'll get is Burton (knee soreness)
there is no way in hell he'll get "omitted"

and once again, Riggy is right (otherwise Neil Craig is ****ing me over , but I know I'm right )