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Alot of the angst about Ainsworth on here seems to come from the fact he has a funny ball drop....but mostly because a few on here really wanted Worpel at that pick.
There's not much else we missed out on (at this stage) besides him in that draft afterwards (maybe Gryan Miers?)
Though I will say, some of those same people wanting Worpel, also thought Kelly and Ryan weren't worth picks in the first two rounds in that same draft, so swings and roundabouts in the end........
There's not much else we missed out on (at this stage) besides him in that draft afterwards (maybe Gryan Miers?)
Though I will say, some of those same people wanting Worpel, also thought Kelly and Ryan weren't worth picks in the first two rounds in that same draft, so swings and roundabouts in the end........
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No one gives a shit that he has a funny ball drop so much, what garners angst is that said " funny ball drop" makes his kicking inaccurate and he therefore turns the ball over all to frequently and also makes his ball delivery by foot unreliable.
I suspect that compounding the situation as to why he cops so much flack from posters ( and hand up I am one of them
), is that our recruiters cant manage to successfully draft genuine midfielders, so those that they do draft, that have major flaws in their game, or come up short, get over scrutinised ( and probably unfairly ), but its frustrating ( polite version ) that we cant seem to get that aspect of our drafting right.If the recruiters get us a genuine midfielder, even a B grader via the draft, then many of the critics would pipe down.
I will STFU when / if, we successfully draft a quality genuine midfielder ....... Jesus I ain't greedy I just want one.
It amuses me that many of the O'Brien apologists on here, ( who by the way are IMO also some of our better posters and generally contribute posts of high quality) when they point out the disturbing lack of midfield depth on our list...... BUT ...... they are not prepared to hold the recruiters accountable for their ongoing midfielders swings and misses at the draft table, which has a knock on effect, in that we then have to spend overs in draft capital, to trade in genuine mids.
And yes you are goddam right I wanted Worpel and rated him one and a half draft rounds ahead of Mr Ainsworth .
Rant now over and I will have a cup of tea with a Bex powder, lay down on the couch, for a grandpa nap and dream about when we, sometime in the future, draft an A grade, genuine midfielder.
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No one gives a sh*t that he has a funny ball drop so much, what garners angst is that said " funny ball drop" makes his kicking inaccurate and he therefore turns the ball over all to frequently and also makes his ball delivery by foot unreliable.
I suspect that compounding the situation as to why he cops so much flack from posters ( and hand up I am one of them
If the recruiters get us a genuine midfielder, even a B grader via the draft, then many of the critics would pipe down.
I will STFU when / if, we successfully draft a quality genuine midfielder ....... Jesus I ain't greedy I just want one.
It amuses me that many of the O'Brien apologists on here, ( who by the way are IMO also some of our better posters and generally contribute posts of high quality) when they point out the disturbing lack of midfield depth on our list...... BUT ...... they are not prepared to hold the recruiters accountable for their ongoing midfielders swings and misses at the draft table, which has a knock on effect, in that we then have to spend overs in draft capital, to trade in genuine mids.
And yes you are goddam right I wanted Worpel and rated his one and a half draft rounds ahead of Mr Ainsworth .
Rant now over and I will have a cup of tea with a Bex powder, lay down on the couch and dream about when we sometime in the future draft a genuine A grade quality midfielder.
Yet the great Worpel has roughly the same AFL DE% as Ainsworth (small sample size I admit), and directly turns it over almost one qtr of his possessions per game.Wouldnt he be copping the exact same criticism had we gone that route? Seems a weird reason for the collective BF groupthink to rag on a guy that, for me, has shown a bit of promise when given the chance.
For interest, how did you rate Kelly and Ryan in that draft btw?
I completely understand your frustrations about drafting mids, but just maybe our recruiters are going about it the right way. On paper at least, we currently have assembled one of the best midfields in the comp talent wise.
Our overall record over the last 15 years speaks for itself as compared to most other clubs and that cannot be argued, so something is going right.
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I always find it strange people harp on about our lack of midfielders in the draft when we currently have a pretty good midfield. If we were a team struggling for years down the bottom of the ladder with a struggling midfield I could understand but thats not the case.
That's because when we get in situations like these with an injury to a first choice mid.
Would be nice to have a player of decent quality ready to come in.
Let's see how he who cannot be nicknamed goes.
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What team has that luxury? Any decent mid will be in the first 22 for any team unless you're GWS.
Does it matter "how" you build a list though? Draft, trade, FA, rookie...as long as you build a team that competes for (and occasionally wins) flags, then your doing your job as recruiters imo.
Like I said in a previous post, I've shared the frustrations....but given our record, perhaps our recruiters are ahead of the game?
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I agree with with that, I was just trying to explain what I thought other people's frustrations were. Like others, I get a bit worried about our depth in the midfield.
Next two drafts we should be focussing on drafting good mids.
No more rucks, no more key position players.
The midfield is good on paper, but not currently working very well together. We definitely haven't developed a good midfielder for years and our best midfielers are getting a bit older now.
As for nicknames. I guess connotations can heavily effect the way it is perceived. I have never complained or reported any posters who use it, because I don't care that much. It is just a forum on the internet after all.
But I'd never use it myself because of the gleeful and sometimes venomous way that others seem to use it in, as if they're "cool" for using it, or fighting against PC culture, or in on some funny joke.
It just isn't funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway, my expectations are that he will play 1 or 2 weeks, then be booted when Boots comes back, so hopefully he can hold his own until then. I am sure he knows how to hit targets, but the challenge for him now is to do it under pressure, knowing that his technique will more easily lend itself to grubbers along the ground and some poor ball use in general.
He can find it though, and he will block for others, not run alongside another midfielder calling for the ball. He will block, he will create space, and with any luck will help us clear the ball cleanly and then lockdown someone going the other way.
After watching the Friends, Family, Flags series I really want this team to play with spirit again, play for each other, win it for players like Sheppard if not for their own personal glory.
As for nicknames. I guess connotations can heavily effect the way it is perceived. I have never complained or reported any posters who use it, because I don't care that much. It is just a forum on the internet after all.
But I'd never use it myself because of the gleeful and sometimes venomous way that others seem to use it in, as if they're "cool" for using it, or fighting against PC culture, or in on some funny joke.
It just isn't funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway, my expectations are that he will play 1 or 2 weeks, then be booted when Boots comes back, so hopefully he can hold his own until then. I am sure he knows how to hit targets, but the challenge for him now is to do it under pressure, knowing that his technique will more easily lend itself to grubbers along the ground and some poor ball use in general.
He can find it though, and he will block for others, not run alongside another midfielder calling for the ball. He will block, he will create space, and with any luck will help us clear the ball cleanly and then lockdown someone going the other way.
After watching the Friends, Family, Flags series I really want this team to play with spirit again, play for each other, win it for players like Sheppard if not for their own personal glory.
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Excited to see how we go from here. Feel like the balance of youth and experience is getting closer to the right zone.
The old boys definitely get buoyed by the enthusiasm of the young guys.
The old boys definitely get buoyed by the enthusiasm of the young guys.
Buoy oh buoy
Agree................unless Heath Chapman is available.
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No??
He wasn't exactly playing well (and lots of players werent) and our defence just played their best collective game of the year so why would he come back in?
And Jetta is one of our if not best off field leaders. So hardly be off field.
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He wasn't exactly playing well (and lots of players werent) and our defence just played their best collective game of the year so why would he come back in?
And Jetta is one of our if not best off field leaders. So hardly be off field.
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All this meltdown about the midfield...understandably the last few weeks been woeful..out of our comfort zone, whatever...but things can change quickly in footy as we know...it's not impossible for this midfield to get back to Optus and for everything to click into gear and lay all this talk to waste!? The arrogance and chardonnay will return and all will be forgotten, as we move on to a new grievance?
or not...starts tomorrow.
or not...starts tomorrow.
Amazingly, if we can beat Adelaide this week we will be a game off second (or even first depending on Port v Giants).
The other big issue is our percentage. We need to win by some decent margins as well, otherwise it may bite us later in the year (obviously winning is the first concern, margin second)
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Didn't Ainsworth have a really good U18s carnival? Number one for clearances? And taken with Pick 32, so not exactly a top pick (and I get the arguments that quality was still on the table, but still).
Play him in the guts Simmo!
Play him in the guts Simmo!
Just seemed unusual for someone of his calibre to be left out 2 weeks running..but the defence worked well without him last week...he has been dropped before of course (and it might've been 2 weeks there from very vague memory?)..a 2 week 'rocket' to sort his head out for the Derby?
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