Strategy Changes Round 14 North Melbourne vs. Fremantle

[rgauci]

If we play Darcy, then there is no room for Fyfe, JOM, etc etc in the 22.

Then if Young comes back, we will have real midfield squeeze for spots.

Fyfe, JOM …. And? Love Fyfe but he’s not the same player he was 5 years ago.

JOM has largely been a waste of a trade.

If Young comes back, he takes a spot in the backline IMO.

 

[swanny1234]

I think horses for courses refers to Voss more than anyone.

He was fantastic against GC but if his form drops and we´re not winning we won´t be going with Amiss, Treacy, Voss, Jackson and Darcy. It´s too tall if we´re not winning and Voss is the easy one to drop if our forward pressure drops away.

Voss is an absolute lock… Darcy and/or Amiss go out before Voss does.
Form > Reputation

 

[swanny1234]

If you´re West Coast then by all means go with the young guys but surely you pick the 23 that´s most likely to win. We lost games against Melbourne and Sydney by going too young.

If JOM, Walters, etc are ready to play they should. Fyfe showed on the weekend what a difference a cool head makes in tight games.

JOM is not a 2 time Brownlow medallist. He doesn’t deserve the same special treatment.

 

[go_the_dockers]

If you´re West Coast then by all means go with the young guys but surely you pick the 23 that´s most likely to win. We lost games against Melbourne and Sydney by going too young.

If JOM, Walters, etc are ready to play they should. Fyfe showed on the weekend what a difference a cool head makes in tight games.

Who are you dropping to bring in JOM and Walters


Ryan Pearce Walker
Clark Cox Chapman
Noddy Young Wagner
Bolton Treacy Reid
Dudley Amiss Voss

Jackson Brayshaw Serong

Johnson, Erasmus, Simpson, Freddy.

Sub: Fyfe.

Depth: Darcy, Walters, JOM, Sharp, Sturt, Worner, Walters

 

[mattis117]

Anyone that is in Perth and can afford it should get a ticket to this game. Get it to 50k at least. We want North Melbourne getting the maximum possible profit from this game so that it continues long into the future. The extra home game during our premiership window is invaluable.

So if you haven't already, buy your ticket!

 

[go_the_dockers]

Anyone that is in Perth and can afford it should get a ticket to this game. Get it to 50k at least. We want North Melbourne getting the maximum possible profit from this game so that it continues long into the future. The extra home game during our premiership window is invaluable.

So if you haven't already, buy your ticket!

Curious, does North get the income from the game or WA Football who bought the game?

I thought North may get a fixed amount from the game (2.5 mill for 2 games a year)

 

[FreoRicci]

Who are you dropping to bring in JOM and Walters


Ryan Pearce Walker
Clark Cox Chapman
Noddy Young Wagner
Bolton Treacy Reid
Dudley Amiss Voss

Jackson Brayshaw Serong

Johnson, Erasmus, Simpson, Freddy.

Sub: Fyfe.

Depth: Darcy, Walters, JOM, Sharp, Sturt, Worner, Walters

No one.
Why does JOM have to come straight back in?
Midfield is working a treat for three weeks in a row. Erasmus has earned his spot.

Walters will need 2-3 weeks for Peel to be considered

 

[oldgoat]

5 tix? Do 3 of the kids go like this? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TotemPoleTrench

you got me!
thats how i get seven in on 5 tix alright!

 

[swanny1234]

Rucks these days hardly win outright nor get clear taps to advantage. Maybe Gawn this season but Melbourne still aren’t dominating with him. I mean Xerri battles hard for his taps, yet opposition learn to shark his taps.

So if Darcy battles the Xerris, Witts, etc and allow Jackson not get smashed is a massive win.

Also would love to see Jackson stay midfield then immediately go half forward. Who is manning him? Can’t have the half backs that usually defend those mids that go forward after the clearances. It’ll have to be a key defender. Suddenly that brings so many mismatches.

On the weekend Jackson took marks on the wing opposed Noah Anderson who is 192cm. Easy mismatch

The unicorn in action.

Interesting stat from Champion Data - Freo’s scoring when only Jackson, only Darcy and both are on field

Suggests the two rucks work better when one is on the bench… Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the two ruck combo.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Interesting stat from Champion Data - Freo’s scoring when only Jackson, only Darcy and both are on field

Suggests the two rucks work better when one is on the bench… Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the two ruck combo.View attachment 2333162

Nothing quite like looking for something to confirm your view.
Wait they have a saying for that don't they?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Cheers! Although doesn't seem a like for like for Darcey.

Who is this Darcey you speak of ?

 

[SupermanCapes]

That is literally the only reason, it is that over commercialization of the league that's occurring.

It looks good, it gives more variety for fans to wear and the sales help the club's bottom line. I'm not sure what there is to dislike about it?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

It looks good, it gives more variety for fans to wear and the sales help the club's bottom line. I'm not sure what there is to dislike about it?

I heard that 80% of the price goes to AFL HO.

 

[freoextra]

I heard that 80% of the price goes to AFL HO.

You would imagine so as North is already getting a large payment from the WA State government. Still helps us to keep the game if the AFL is getting a good return.

 

[mightymouse75]

I don't wanna drop anyone.
D

God you guys must be fun at parties.

It looks great! Should wear it more often as an away strip against light coloured teams

Bring back the anchor

 

[swanny1234]

Nothing quite like looking for something to confirm your view.
Wait they have a saying for that don't they?

I mean when the stat does that blatantly confirm my view, it's worth using. I'm also not having a personal crack at Darcy, him on his own is also in the green, it's the use of both together which is having the negative impact, and the score differential is a reasonably unbiased and quantitative comparison.

 

[freo_leo29]

I mean when the stat does that blatantly confirm my view, it's worth using. I'm also not having a personal crack at Darcy, him on his own is also in the green, it's the use of both together which is having the negative impact, and the score differential is a reasonably unbiased and quantitative comparison.

A one game sample size (which that appears to be) is not a good measure

 

[Paracleet]

A one game sample size (which that appears to be) is not a good measure

I'd go a step further and say "Stupidity poor". I'm surprised someone spent the time to create the graphic let alone post it in all seriousness.

 

[swanny1234]

A one game sample size (which that appears to be) is not a good measure

However, the sample size this year playing with one solo ruck is 6 wins, 2 losses… whilst with dual rucks (either Jackson and Darcy, or Jackson and Reidy) is 1 win, 3 losses

 

[go_the_dockers]

However, the sample size this year playing with one solo ruck is 6 wins, 2 losses… whilst with dual rucks (either Jackson and Darcy, or Jackson and Reidy) is 1 win, 3 losses

I don't think we have played Jackson and Darcy together, when both were fit all year.

You can ignore the games Reidy played, he is two levels below Jackson and Darcy

 

[mattis117]

I mean when the stat does that blatantly confirm my view, it's worth using. I'm also not having a personal crack at Darcy, him on his own is also in the green, it's the use of both together which is having the negative impact, and the score differential is a reasonably unbiased and quantitative comparison.

It actually doesn't, it just supports your existing belief which makes it easy for you to digest and use as a posit.

If you were honest with yourself you'd notice all the aspects of the stats that don't support your hypothesis. Isolating two players being on the ground vs score is an absurd metric to judge effectiveness. What if the score against is because of an unforced error by a defender, or even our scores for caused by forward half turnover that had nothing to do with stoppage?

Relying on stats like this to prove a point just shows you're not genuine in discussing the merits of each option. You've already decided and now you'll fight anyone that dares to say otherwise.

What about the fact that Jackson was fresher when he was solo ruck because Darcy took a lot of the load off? What about the fact that Voss kicked 3 goals because he didn't have to second ruck? What about the fact that Treacy was able to roam up the ground to provide an outlet contest because we had Voss stationed at full forward.

Your shallow analysis isn't convincing anyone.

 

[bellie4pm]

However, the sample size this year playing with one solo ruck is 6 wins, 2 losses… whilst with dual rucks (either Jackson and Darcy, or Jackson and Reidy) is 1 win, 3 losses

Anything less than 17-20 is just pure conjecture - 30+ needed to start quoting stats with any real confidence.

 

[Cobbler]

I’m a bit nervous that Fyfe, Walters and JOM will receive instant best 22.

Any one of them can come off the bench but I don’t think they should be walk ins and all 3 would really slow us down IMO.

 

[Wizard]

I’m a bit nervous that Fyfe, Walters and JOM will receive instant best 22.

Any one of them can come off the bench but I don’t think they should be walk ins and all 3 would really slow us down IMO.

If we have all three of them plus Darcy in the side for the rest of the season we miss finals.

 

[gungho]

JL seems to love JOM. I don't agree with it but reckon he'll come straight back in when fit. Erasmus is fantastic defensively. He laid 7 tackles on the weekend. I reckon that should be factored in.