Changes v Geelong

[House_of_Dahl]

Walker is apparently going to be their number 1 ruckman tomorrow.

then who do we play on Blivcas if he goes forward? We do seem short a tall defender

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

then who do we play on Blivcas if he goes forward? We do seem short a tall defender

Blic isn't much of a forward in all honesty - it's the one position on the ground I don't think he's really established himself in yet.

The worry is if they play Blic in the ruck as essentially an extra midfielder, with Kersten, Walker and Hawkins forward. Would force us to concede an extra at the contest and around the ground, and we'd be quite short down back.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Yeah either way - if one of them is in the ruck then that leaves three of them forward (potentially) and we look like we are short a tall defender.

 

[immortalmike]

Completely agree - yet we still have some people saying our KPD stocks are fine and we have no depth issues

To be fair most of that discussion stemmed from talk about drafting another tall defender. Another kid on our list would hardly make a difference this week. Unless you advocate playing an 18-19 year old on Hawkins.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Koby in the background of the presser with the rest of the group. You can't see much but the group seemed to be doing a light session inside and it looks as though he was involved. Beveridge also mentions that Talia will play VFL, and that Minson should only miss a week.

 

[dogwatch]

To be fair most of that discussion stemmed from talk about drafting another tall defender. Another kid on our list would hardly make a difference this week. Unless you advocate playing an 18-19 year old on Hawkins.

I think that's Mofra's point.

Drafting another tall defender was never going to fix the problem for tomorrow's game (unless it was a mature aged player) but tomorrow's problem does highlight that our stocks currently don't run as deep as some people think. Two injuries and we are exposed. If Zaine comes on and Talia makes the grade (and stays) we'll be in a better position but we probably won't know for another year. Meanwhile Mr Fixit, Dale Morris, will probably retire within a year or two, so we'll need to cover his departure.

Furthermore if the KPD stocks prove unsatisfactory it means we are forced to keep Roughy there pretty much all the time. That in turn reduces our flexibility elsewhere and forces us to rely on Minson, Campbell and Ayce in the ruck, none of whom seem to be the right answer. Roughy has performed as well as any of them in that role. He may well be our best ruck option.

Not saying KPF depth isn't an issue either - it's just a different discussion.

 

[Werewolf]

I'm confident there will be a late change to the line up and Talia will come in, I think the match committee are sending him a loud message that the garbage he served up in the first half last week will not be tolerated ....

Let's hope so. KP is a very narrow ground, if anything the risk of kicking out on the full is greater and Talia did it twice in 2 minutes last week

Beveridge also mentions that Talia will play VFL, and that Minson should only miss a week.

He also said the Bont would play in round 3 and he was a late withdrawal

 

[Mofra]

To be fair most of that discussion stemmed from talk about drafting another tall defender.

Not most. Many of us were advocating a mature defender, either via trade or rookie list (e.g. Frost traded to Melbourne, Delaney rookied by the Saints). I'd be surprised if we don't target one during this year's trade period.

 

[Fossie 32]

Previous form means nothing when selecting for the now though. I'm not saying he won't make it - but right now he's in bad form. Even at VFL level he's just been alright.

Reasonable point - but just saying 'he's not up to it' is a broad statement.

Fairly harsh not to give him more of a go I think.

 

[Mofra]

Koby in the background of the presser with the rest of the group. You can't see much but the group seemed to be doing a light session inside and it looks as though he was involved. Beveridge also mentions that Talia will play VFL, and that Minson should only miss a week.

We tend not to play too many games at the selection table post Thursday, odds on that what Bevo says will happen.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Reasonable point - but just saying 'he's not up to it' is a broad statement.

Fairly harsh not to give him more of a go I think.

What I said though was that on current form he's not up to it. Which he isn't - he was destroyed last week until moved forward. On almost every entry he was in shocking position and did little to rectify that. Give up prime position that easily against Hawkins and he'll make the most of it.

Talia's shown that he is capable of playing at AFL level in the past; I'm not going to dispute that and I still hold out hope that he'll rediscover that sort of form. Right now, though, he's in form that sees him fail to stand out even at VFL level.

As for Ayce - my thoughts on the experiment are well known so I won't go there. But he played a role for us and gave, to some extent, what Beveridge wanted from our main ruckman at the time. Talia is failing to do that. The situations are different.

 

[Fossie 32]

What I said though was that on current form he's not up to it. Which he isn't - he was destroyed last week until moved forward. On almost every entry he was in shocking position and did little to rectify that. Give up prime position that easily against Hawkins and he'll make the most of it.

Talia's shown that he is capable of playing at AFL level in the past; I'm not going to dispute that and I still hold out hope that he'll rediscover that sort of form. Right now, though, he's in form that sees him fail to stand out even at VFL level.

As for Ayce - my thoughts on the experiment are well known so I won't go there. But he played a role for us and gave, to some extent, what Beveridge wanted from our main ruckman at the time. Talia is failing to do that. The situations are different.

Yes, well I really hope he comes good. Not easy to come by talented tall players. I guess it's mainly up to him to turn his form around but hope the club can do their bit too.

 

[fpm84]

Walker is apparently going to be their number 1 ruckman tomorrow.

Nah, it'll be Blicavs.

He's played as our number one ruck a few times already including last year's semi final and games this season against Essendon and Melbourne.

He will be a lot more competitive in the middle than Walker will, but we're robbing him of his most valuable position as a midfielder.

 

[immortalmike]

I think that's Mofra's point.

Drafting another tall defender was never going to fix the problem for tomorrow's game (unless it was a mature aged player) but tomorrow's problem does highlight that our stocks currently don't run as deep as some people think. Two injuries and we are exposed. If Zaine comes on and Talia makes the grade (and stays) we'll be in a better position but we probably won't know for another year. Meanwhile Mr Fixit, Dale Morris, will probably retire within a year or two, so we'll need to cover his departure.

Furthermore if the KPD stocks prove unsatisfactory it means we are forced to keep Roughy there pretty much all the time. That in turn reduces our flexibility elsewhere and forces us to rely on Minson, Campbell and Ayce in the ruck, none of whom seem to be the right answer. Roughy has performed as well as any of them in that role. He may well be our best ruck option.

Not saying KPF depth isn't an issue either - it's just a different discussion.

I don't think we're exposed. I think it's about gameplan and development this week. We could've played Talia, Cordy or Kelly but we haven't. Instead we chose to back Morris and Roughead, with chop-outs from Wood.
I still don't see it as a huge necessity but we'll get another in as an insurance policy (i.e., Roberts' body, Talia's whatever). But to point to it as some major pressing issue is a bit much, when as you said the KPF problem exists.

Not most. Many of us were advocating a mature defender, either via trade or rookie list (e.g. Frost traded to Melbourne, Delaney rookied by the Saints). I'd be surprised if we don't target one during this year's trade period.

I'd say most. I don't remember too many outright disagreeing with bringing in mature cover, just that we had other more pressing needs.

 

[LondonBulldog]

I think the selection this year has been spot on by Bevo and Co.

If you not preforming you will get dropped. Minson, Crameri

He has given younsters all a chance, if your good enough you get a game. You need to be versatile, Roughie may play FB, Ruck or forward.

Compare that to last year...when youngsters sat in the twos when other who never had a the ability at the Dogs were played (all since gone).

Selection this year to last is like chalk and cheese, we were all screaming on this forum last year at selection...Not Austin again!!

 

[Syrah]

Agree that Bevo is rewarding form from the twos. However, there seems to be inconsistency in the way players are treated. Some get dropped after a single bad game ( Minson, Hunter, Talia) and others get numerous chances (Cordy, Jong, Dale).

Probably tells us something about how these guys are viewed internally. I wouldn't be surprised if Hunter and Talia are looking at other options.

 

[dogwatch]

I don't think we're exposed. I think it's about gameplan and development this week. We could've played Talia, Cordy or Kelly but we haven't. Instead we chose to back Morris and Roughead, with chop-outs from Wood.
I still don't see it as a huge necessity but we'll get another in as an insurance policy (i.e., Roberts' body, Talia's whatever). But to point to it as some major pressing issue is a bit much, when as you said the KPF problem exists.

I'd say most. I don't remember too many outright disagreeing with bringing in mature cover, just that we had other more pressing needs.

Who said it was a "major pressing issue"? I'd have thought ruck was a more pressing issue for a starter.

 

[immortalmike]

Who said it was a "major pressing issue"? I'd have thought ruck was a more pressing issue for a starter.

Nobody in this thread. But it's an argument that dates back to the draft and trading period.

 

[Dav1d]

I don't mind the teams, as long as our midfield is switched on & Harry Taylor has to play accountable footy
We should be good

 

[Unnamed1]

Are people suggesting will has been dropped? Listed as shoulder, which isn't surprising given he only tapped with his left arm against GC