Preview Changes vs. Hawks

[FullyBigKPro]

Absolutely cant believe some are calling for Pods to make way...

Geesus.... He was in our top 5 yesterday by far.....

We got this guy for half a ham sandwich for insurance and has been a brilliant pick up as a 'third tall' type. He had some quiet games early on in the year when our midfield was getting reamed.

Show some love to the Pods people He's been at the club 5 minutes and shows more passion then quite a few of our fringe players.

 

[Wood_Duck]

That was the question I was trying to imply

No shit.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I know one thing for sure ifthe players were selecting the side JPod would be in the team"........ They love him

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Easy way to avoid that - don't draft one.

We need to draft a kpp/ruckman type but unlikely they will be ready to play many games next year.

 

[1970crow]

Agree

With 7 rounds to go JPod and Betts gave kicked 53 goals between them and baring injuries they could deliver 80+ goals this season and if you add JJ's goals this trio has already kicked 80+ Goals which is a win

That's not a great example. Tex and tipped combined for over 100 in 20 games avge each in 2012. There's been no discernible midfield change, so the 2 tall structure in 2012 destroys this years efforts with 3 and I'd suggest betts would have kicked no less with those 2 than with the current structure. Dropping the extra tall allows for more mid-field power, resulting in more and better opportunities for the existing talls and more space to work in.

Obviously different quality when comparing tipp against either pods or jj, but it's jj that provides the similar structure, not pods.

And I know that tex is coming back from his knee, I'm only answering to the 'structure' discussion.

 

[BobaFett]

But that is exactly what a poor structure does. We get a bit from our future coach and forward line general in pods at the expense of the other 2 key forwards. Do you know that little about footy that you cannot concede that this is a distinct possibility. You're as brainwashed as sando, you can't see a way to win without 3 talls, meaning pods must play. Again I ask, who was our 3rd tall when we were a kick away from a gf in 2012. Tex and tipp keeping out of each other's way didn't seem to work too bad. It's a bit harder to avoid each other the more of them you put into a finite area.

Look, I might be biased against pods and I'll accept that it may be short-coming. All that means is that I won't be able to rejoice in an 8-10 finish that might have been anywhere between 5-12 if not for the investment in our future by playing a 31yo Geelong discard who denied us of mid-field grunt. Will be a very sombre off-season for me, but I'm sure you will be enjoying yours.

2012 prelim setup:
Walker- power forward
Tippett- forward ruck
Henderson- third tall
porplyzia- small forward/midfielder
Petrenko- small forward
Resting mid


2014 setup:
Walker- Power forward
Jenkins- forward ruck
Lynch- third tall
wright-small forward/midfielder
Betts- small forward
no resting mid anymore, we now have a lumbering 32 year old taking ball away from tex

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If pods was unavailable it is likely afc would be persisting with porps rather than say mckernan.

Sydney & hawks prefer a taller structure & we appear to have a more productive forward line with the current make up.

Tex is struggling as I expected because of injury. Won't see him at his consistent best til next season. In the meanwhile the rest of the forwards including pods can carry him as still takes a good defender & can still be dangerous on a good day.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It makes sense for elite kicking teams to have lots of tall forward targets and a well-synchronised forward structure to create one-on-one contests

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

2012 prelim setup:
Walker- power forward
Tippett- forward ruck
Henderson- third tall
porplyzia- small forward/midfielder
Petrenko- small forward
Resting mid


2014 setup:
Walker- Power forward
Jenkins- forward ruck
Lynch- third tall
wright-small forward/midfielder
Betts- small forward
no resting mid anymore, we now have a lumbering 32 yeaedr old taking ball away from tex

Sydney have buddy, tippett, Reid & goodes... & they look like the team to beat.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

That's not a great example. Tex and tipped combined for over 100 in 20 games avge each in 2012. There's been no discernible midfield change, so the 2 tall structure in 2012 destroys this years efforts with 3 and I'd suggest betts would have kicked no less with those 2 than with the current structure. Dropping the extra tall allows for more mid-field power, resulting in more and better opportunities for the existing talls and more space to work in.

Obviously different quality when comparing tipp against either pods or jj, but it's jj that provides the similar structure, not pods.

And I know that tex is coming back from his knee, I'm only answering to the 'structure' discussion.

Dropping an extra tall does make sense however IMO our best structure at this point in time is 3 talks however next year when Tex regains his full mojo then we should consider going back to two talls

 

[BobaFett]

Have you watch Lynch he does not play tall and is not suited to playing as a third tall

His strength is his gut running and playing as a high HF where he can out work his opponent and present as a extra link man

He does play tall. A third tall isn't supposed to be a pack marking player at all. Lynch takes more than enough marks one on one overhead, and kicks goals.

A third talls role in todays game is to present to the wings, be a link man, push back hard to goals, and take a few marks.

Please provide an example of a third tall who marks like a KEY tall?

Third talls in todays game include: lynch, menzel, winderlich, mayne, murdoch, gunston, monfries, Goodes, stringer. Just to name the main ones. Other players you might think of are KEY talls. The third tall isn't a position that demands a pack marking player

 

[1970crow]

I know one thing for sure ifthe players were selecting the side JPod would be in the team"........ They love him

They have to, it's already agreed that he'll be their coach in a minute and will form part of the decision making group that determine if they get a game. To take something from hodgey, "effn pods, gotta look after effn pods". Maybe that's why I look to the negative. I don't think this "hey guys, meet pods, he's your new team mate rolling out of the fwd line who will also plug a few holes down back. Oh, might as well let you know that he's also going to be your coach soon too, so tread wearily you little ********"

 

[1970crow]

It makes sense for elite kicking teams to have lots of tall forward targets and a well-synchronised forward structure to create one-on-one contests

Stop it

 

[DD#23]

It makes sense for elite kicking teams to have lots of tall forward targets and a well-synchronised forward structure to create one-on-one contests

can't believe our best kick into the forward 50 all year came from Sauce on the weekend.

 

[Golumless]

Lynch is our third tall, and one of the best in the game.

We are platting three KEY forwards at the moment, and its hurting us on the rebound, and walker is not getting the ball kicked to him enough

Nope, sorry, try again.

Right now, Lynch is playing the role of link man/third tall hybrid. He's not the stay at home type either, trying to work an opposite defender into the ground, which does allow us to play a true third tall/swingman type such as Pods. As a testament to this and our structure, in the two games we have played with this structure, our lowest score is 99 points. So it is working.

With Walker, really? he's not getting the ball enough? i'm pretty sure he dropped at least 3-4 marks yesterday. It's more, he's not taking his chances right now. Really considering he's come back from a knee reco, he's doing a decent job. Starts marking the ball regularly and he'll go to a 3.5-4 goal average.

 

[Wood_Duck]

To help people out. Tex is our third tall at the moment. Please compare other third talls to Walker not Podsiadly. Make sense now?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What I don't understand is why Essendon's supposedly AA defender Cale Hooker would have played on Walker

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He does play tall. A third tall isn't supposed to be a pack marking player at all. Lynch takes more than enough marks one on one overhead, and kicks goals.

A third talls role in todays game is to present to the wings, be a link man, push back hard to goals, and take a few marks.

Please provide an example of a third tall who marks like a KEY tall?

Third talls in todays game include: lynch, menzel, winderlich, mayne, murdoch, gunston, monfries, Goodes, stringer. Just to name the main ones. Other players you might think of are KEY talls. The third tall isn't a position that demands a pack marking player

Reid at Sydney.

 

[Wood_Duck]

What I don't understand is why Essendon's supposedly AA defender Cale Hooker would have played on Walker

Will we play Talia on Gunston or Roughead next week?

 

[1990crow]

Will we play Talia on Gunston or Roughead next week?

Roughead

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Will we play Talia on Gunston or Roughead next week?

One of the two.

Not on Hale or Ceglar though.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

One of the two.

Not on Hale or Ceglar though.

Hale has been ordinary in recent weeks, must be close to feeling the axe

 

[BobaFett]

Nope, sorry, try again.

Right now, Lynch is playing the role of link man/third tall hybrid. He's not the stay at home type either, trying to work an opposite defender into the ground, which does allow us to play a true third tall/swingman type such as Pods. As a testament to this and our structure, in the two games we have played with this structure, our lowest score is 99 points. So it is working.

With Walker, really? he's not getting the ball enough? i'm pretty sure he dropped at least 3-4 marks yesterday. It's more, he's not taking his chances right now. Really considering he's come back from a knee reco, he's doing a decent job. Starts marking the ball regularly and he'll go to a 3.5-4 goal average.

Lynch is a third tall. The coaches have essentially gotten rid of a mid for another key forward/swingman in pods. We are playing three BIG forwards

There are no stay at home types anymore, this isn't 1980. All the forwards rotate positions and swap opponents. Walker will be deep at times, jenkins will be in the ruck, lynch will be deep at times, its how the game is played.

Lynch is the definition of a third tall to compliment two KEY forwards. Gunston, winderlich and goodes the only ones better at this stage.

My two biggest concerns are this;

1. Tex is getting most of his touches/shots on goal from 40m+ out and not spending enough time out of the square. So many times you expect tex to be there when its kicked in, but its usually pods or betts
2. Our future forward line of walker, jenkins, lynch and betts aren't getting the chance to gel with each other

 

[mcday]

can't believe our best kick into the forward 50 all year came from Sauce on the weekend.

Sauce actually has incredible disposal for such a huge man. It's not that shocking that he can deliver the ball into the 50 well.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

He does play tall. A third tall isn't supposed to be a pack marking player at all. Lynch takes more than enough marks one on one overhead, and kicks goals.

A third talls role in todays game is to present to the wings, be a link man, push back hard to goals, and take a few marks.

Please provide an example of a third tall who marks like a KEY tall?

Third talls in todays game include: lynch, menzel, winderlich, mayne, murdoch, gunston, monfries, Goodes, stringer. Just to name the main ones. Other players you might think of are KEY talls. The third tall isn't a position that demands a pack marking player

I never said anything about pack marks

the reason why We get away with playing tex, JPod, JJ and Lynch in the same forward line is because Lynch does not play as a third tall no matter how you dress it up he plays more like an extra midfielder

Most 3rd talls in the league can either take a contested mark or are very good on the lead from deep within the forward 50m however neither of these attributes are Tommy's main strength

As I said earlier Lynch's weapon is his work rate and gut running and this is why many of his goals look soft because he just out works his opponent both ways. This role in the modern day is called a high half forward however is not always played by a player of Lynch's height

I think you will find that the coaches are keen for Lynch to do most of his work outside of the forward 50 and play like an extra midfielder however not like any midfielder but one of those rare breeds like a Fyfe, Goddard or Embly who have some height to go with their tank and this combination makes it so difficult to match up on and they have the ability to impact all over the ground

Lynch is not a 3rd tall, he is an extra midfielder