Preview Changes vs North

[jess_1804]

Sorry I don't watch North much, but saw the game against Freo where he struggled to get his hands on the ball. It appeared from that game that brown was more dominant.

Ah yeah, he usually get's towelled up by McPharlin. The last few weeks though he's been really good, does a lot to keep the forward line functioning. I think the theory is whoever gets the third tall defender usually has the more dominant game (Brown was playing on Dawson last week, enough said).

Good luck to you guys though! It's going to be a cracking game.

 

[fronkalicious]

North are a very balanced, mature, even team. Great test for us. Probably more so than the Eagles in perth with the youngest team we've fielded all year.

 

[Westernheights]

I think our inside midfielders are going to be very important for us this week.
With hopefully Boyd and picken coming back in that should give us a bit more maturity and strength around the ball.
I think its obvious on the outside we will beat them for pace its just a matter of being able to nullify Goldsteins taps and have our inside mids work the ball out, which we clearly got beaten in on the weekend. If we can get get ontop of them in the contested positions i think it will go a long way to us winning the game.
I Also have a feeling that if Boyd plays and Smith stays in, that Boyd will spend a bit more time in the midfield.

Thoughts guys?

 

[Dogsman16]

I think our inside midfielders are going to be very important for us this week.
With hopefully Boyd and picken coming back in that should give us a bit more maturity and strength around the ball.
I think its obvious on the outside we will beat them for pace its just a matter of being able to nullify Goldsteins taps and have our inside mids work the ball out, which we clearly got beaten in on the weekend. If we can get get ontop of them in the contested positions i think it will go a long way to us winning the game.
I Also have a feeling that if Boyd plays and Smith stays in, that Boyd will spend a bit more time in the midfield.

Thoughts guys?

Matty Boyd is a lock in our back 6. I woudln't be putting him back into the midfield. Kangas have some dangerous smalls. Higgins, Thomas, Nahas all can sneak goals. Need him in defence. I'd be pushing Smith back to the VFL, give him the final series and then push for selection come round 1 next season.

 

[Tommycash]

I imagine the changes won't be huge, but it will be huge to get back Picken and Boyd.

 

[TiAn_]

Your jimmies are far too rustled. Talk about an overreaction, you sound far more hysterical than I ever did. Relax dude.

Might also want to have a look at the teams we've played since that increase in scoring. Nah couldn't be that we've played Melbourne, Collingwood, Port, and Essendon in that time.

He also averages the same amount of contested marks and gives away more frees against these easy kill teams. This is compared to a 19 year old who hasn't seen the inside of a gym. If you see this as doing his job then I can't help you.

Further have a look at my changes earlier in the thread and realise I never called for him to be dropped in the first place just that he isn't doing his job very well.
Now go have a lie down before you burst an aneurysm.

I'LL BURST YOUR ANEURYSM M8! haha hardly hysterical to refer to stats.

I just don't care about frees against. If that stat mattered Buddy Franklin would have been delisted by now.

Redpath has played 12 games. 12. Half as many games as Boyd. In one of the hardest positions on the ground. He's not Jesse Hogan, but he's done enough to deserve at least another 12.

And not that it matters, but Boyd spent so much time in the gym before us we told him dial it back.

 

[Doggies_2008]

Ins- Roughead, Moyd, Toyd, Picken

Outs- Smith, Grant, Pearce, Campbell

 

[BEaston]

Yeah let's drop him because he's had one more free against per game and didn't dominate in a 77 point loss.

We'll just ignore that Boyd averages less goals, marks, contested marks, disposals, hitouts and tackles. And that the team has averaged 119PPG since Boyd was dropped after Rd 16. Because FREE KICKS and HYPOTHETICAL SUCCESS.

Your hysterical crap is the shit call.

Are you trying to say that Redpath playing or Boyd being dropped is the reason for averaging 119pts since RD 16? Correlation =/= causation. There are many more factors at play there.

 

[TiAn_]

Are you trying to say that Redpath playing or Boyd being dropped is the reason for averaging 119pts since RD 16? Correlation =/= causation. There are many more factors at play there.

No I'm not, I'm simply saying if something isn't broken it doesn't need fixing.

 

[BEaston]

In:
Picken, Moyd, Toyd, Roughead, Roberts, Hrovat

Out:
Grant (inj), Morris (inj), Talia, Smith, Pearce, Redpath


Line up something like this:

Wood Hamling Biggs
Murphy Roberts Moyd
Hunter Macrae Bontempelli
Crameri Roughead Dickson
Stringer Toyd Dahlhaus

Campbell Wallis Picken

Hrovat Johannisen Daniel
Jong

With the news that the injuries are not as bad as first thought I'd like to revise my ins/outs:


In:
Picken, Moyd, Toyd, Roughead, Roberts, Hrovat, Honeychurch

Out:
Grant, Talia, Smith, Pearce, Redpath, Jong, Daniel

I'd still drop Grant this week, even if available. Also thinking about Jong, I don't think we can keep carrying him with him not performing 100%. He's had 3 weeks now and hasn't got back to prime form. Although Daniel played alright on the weekend, he only had 1 tackle. Bringing Honey back in for his defensive intensity.

Line up something like this:

Wood Hamling Morris
Murphy Roberts Moyd
Hunter Macrae Bontempelli
Crameri Roughead Dickson
Stringer Toyd Dahlhaus

Campbell Wallis Picken

Johannisen Biggs Hrovat
Honeychurch

 

[Westernheights]

Matty Boyd is a lock in our back 6. I woudln't be putting him back into the midfield. Kangas have some dangerous smalls. Higgins, Thomas, Nahas all can sneak goals. Need him in defence. I'd be pushing Smith back to the VFL, give him the final series and then push for selection come round 1 next season.

Cant disagree with that, but still think they might throw him into the middle in patches to provide some physical presence, just like in the past few weeks we have sent murphy forward in patches.

 

[BEaston]

No I'm not, I'm simply saying if something isn't broken it doesn't need fixing.

You can always find areas to improve IMO.

 

[Westernheights]

With the news that the injuries are not as bad as first thought I'd like to revise my ins/outs:


In:
Picken, Moyd, Toyd, Roughead, Roberts, Hrovat, Honeychurch

Out:
Grant, Talia, Smith, Pearce, Redpath, Jong, Daniel

I'd still drop Grant this week, even if available. Also thinking about Jong, I don't think we can keep carrying him with him not performing 100%. He's had 3 weeks now and hasn't got back to prime form. Although Daniel played alright on the weekend, he only had 1 tackle. Bringing Honey back in for his defensive intensity.

Line up something like this:

Wood Hamling Morris
Murphy Roberts Moyd
Hunter Macrae Bontempelli
Crameri Roughead Dickson
Stringer Toyd Dahlhaus

Campbell Wallis Picken

Johannisen Biggs Hrovat
Honeychurch

What do you see as the best match ups in the backling?

 

[dergert]

Need one more solid body in our mid this week imo. Wouldn't surprise if they come out and try to make it physical.

 

[BEaston]

What do you see as the best match ups in the backling?

Something like:

Petrie - Roberts
Waite - Hamling
Higgins - Wood
Nahas - Murphy
Harvey - Boyd
Thomas - Morris

The leg speed of their forwards could be an issue for us but with JJ and Biggs rotating through, we should be able to cover them OK.

Rough can go with Brown when he's down there.

 

[StringyDog]

You would think after years of undersized forward lines our supporters would appreciate more than most the opportunity of having two key-position forwards. By being blessed with Stringer & Crameri, who can play tall without forgoing speed, we can easily accommodate two KP forwards in the team. They're not mutually exclusive.

I would appreciate two good key position forwards, unfortunately Redpath is not that, he is not AFL standard and never will be, if you don't have agility, you had better be a good contested mark, Redpath has neither.

 

[doggies ftw]

They can swap in the "stay at home" and "lead up" roles and both can rotate through the ruck. Redpath has shown more ability to apply defensive pressure in his recent stint. Redpath has a chance to cement a spot at CHF next year if he has a good pre-season.

You would think after years of undersized forward lines our supporters would appreciate more than most the opportunity of having two key-position forwards. By being blessed with Stringer & Crameri, who can play tall without forgoing speed, we can easily accommodate two KP forwards in the team. They're not mutually exclusive.

Absolutely this. Last year we screamed every single week to play two incompetent forwards (Redpath of last year and Jones) alongside Stringer and Crameri this year we have two competent ones but dont want to use them.

We need to get Boyd back in and give him 2 weeks to readjust to the level before finals. He is the exact type of forward we need in the finals. Were not going to be able to find much space in finals anyway so the extra small isnt that big a deal so you have red up the ground using his aggression to smash through packs both at ground level and in the air and you want Boyd deep to pull off a big pack mark from our rushed entries and of course bring the ball to ground for the smalls.

For finals footy we need to go back to our early season style compared to our late season style IMO.

Also I'd be giving Jong one more week to find form because an early season jongy would be huge for us but if he cant get back to that this week he will be a liability.

 

[littlenails]

The Medical Room - Injury Report (Rd22) on the Bulldogs Website gives Grant, Morris, Talia, M Boyd and Picken a good chance of playing this week. Seems to me that even though they give a good report from week to week there is usually somebody who misses out, and it is not always somebody who is in the report. I don't have a lot of confidence in the report.

The Crutchy Push players who seem to always do well against us are Harvey and Petrie.


My outs:
Pearce - not up to this standard
Smith - maybe give one more game, but this is getting close to finals.
Jong - not enough effort

My Ins:
M Boyd - no brainer
Picken - no brainer
Hrovat - improving all the time

Other Options
T Boyd - in for Campbell. T Boyd may be our best ruck and plays well around the ground. Can alternate at full-forward.
Z Cordy - in for Morris. Zaine is just about ready.
M Honeychurch - in for Daniel. Daniel is more skilled but Honeychurch gets into it more.
Roughead - in for Talia, Roughy is a better player than Talia, all around.
Talia, Hamling, Roberts - none are top quality backmen. Just have to persevere I suppose.

At the match beware of the female North supporters least they stick you with their hat-pins.

 

[fronkalicious]

Out - Pearce
In - Boyd

Out - smith
In - picken

Out - grant (injured/rest)
In - Webb

Out - campbell (injured/rest)
In - Minson

Out - hamling
In - Roberts

Out - talia
In - Roughie

Out - Jong
In - hrovat

Fb: wood Roughie Morris
Hb: murph Roberts boyd
C: macrae Wallis picken
Hf: Dickson Crameri hrovat
Ff: stringer redpath hunter
R: Minson Bonti dal
Ic: Webb, JJ, Biggs, Daniel

Lots of changes but my guess is that's always been the plan.

Roughie to brown (and follows him into the ruck)
Roberts to Petrie
Morris to Waite

Wood, JJ, murph and Boyd rotate on boomer, Nahas and Higgins.

 

[lachy]

No I'm not, I'm simply saying if something isn't broken it doesn't need fixing.

Not applicable in any way in football.

Hawthorn reinvent every year.

You cannot wait till it is broke, then you cannot fix it. We need to continuously improve and simply put we have corageously evolved over the year and must continue to do so.

Toyd has more weapons than Red even now so this must be looked at

 

[King Bont]

I hear what you are saying, but Goodes is yesterday's man. He isn't the future of the club or the direction we need to go. Any game that Goodes plays now is 1 less game we get into the kids.

Bev has played nearly the entire list, purely to see what he has at his disposal. As I keep saying, this is still a development year and our current position is an unexpected bonus.

I was surprised at the Pearce selection, but I think it may have been made because he is a WA boy and it might be his last chance. Bev strikes me as that kinda guy, let the kid play one last game in front of his family and friends, even if it was as sub.

I also think that there was more at play on the weekend in terms of staying "fresh" for the last two rounds and the travel. The blowout at the end wasn't to the script but we live and learn

Well regardless if he isn't the future of the club. If he makes us a better team with him being in the side against North. Then why shouldn't he play? For such a young side like ours confidence is everything. It's a must win game for a lot of reasons. We play our best side regardless of age. And if bevo things goods is the man for the job. Then so be it

 

[immortalmike]

I'LL BURST YOUR ANEURYSM M8! haha hardly hysterical to refer to stats.

I just don't care about frees against. If that stat mattered Buddy Franklin would have been delisted by now.

Redpath has played 12 games. 12. Half as many games as Boyd. In one of the hardest positions on the ground. He's not Jesse Hogan, but he's done enough to deserve at least another 12.

And not that it matters, but Boyd spent so much time in the gym before us we told him dial it back.

Was referring to all the caps.

Look man I hope you're right I just have very little faith in him improving enough to bridge the gap between his best and worst. I hope he can as it would be amazing to have to AFL quality KPFs for the first time in memory.

 

[TimlinOfficial]

See my post above. My comment wasn't Boyd specific, but just that we shouldn't be gifting games at this stage of the season or even generally.

I think you are being a bit unfair on Redpath. You seem to compare Boyd's form over a period of time compared to Redpath's of just last week in a match where we got beaten badly. Redpath has had a decent month or so. I think you could make arguments for and against bringing Boyd in. It's certainly debatable.

I agree - gifting games is a bad habit for any club. I don't think we're in danger of that under the current regime.

I don't think I'm being too harsh. Red has done enough lately to hold his spot, but only just, because Toyd has been banging on the door every week. Also, we were thrashed for about one and a half quarters - I'd say Jack was poor throughout the game, albeit with some good flashes of play at times. His form has been decent, but not quite enough to secure his spot when he does have a poor game. However, as you say, it's definitely debatable

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Need one more solid body in our mid this week imo. Wouldn't surprise if they come out and try to make it physical.

Of course. They are thugs.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

not sure there will be any changes other then Picken - M Boyd and Someone for the ruck.

Watched the presser and you can read a bit into it.

- The moment of pondering when asked if he was dissapointed at the blow out, thn when he asnwers there is a smirk, but something more to it then "what a stupid question.
-The passive aggressive agro at questions regarding campbell, the response wasn't really a "are you questioning my decision" but more a "are you quetioning the talent of one of my playes!" thats the vibe i got.
-The inlination that our forward line will remain as is, and it was the mids and def that failed on the day.

As well as the impression that Bevo truly believes that it was a few mistakes that gifted them goals "kept WC in the game" interesting choice of words don't you think. and the vieled hint that key injuries to campbell, grant, and morris was what let them get away and blow the game out.

The boys are not messing around when they say Bevo believes in them, even a team with only 2 players with more then 100 games.

The drink is made of distilled and refined cool-aid! lol