Preview Changes vs Sydney

[FullyBigKPro]

You serious?

Sorry, was not necessarily saying those specific players were tough contested type players, i was trying to say that we need to look at some strategic changes this week.

I really think Hendo and Wight need to b e looked at for possible inclusions... Maybe even Jaensch as a small defensive type forward for one of their half backs...

we need SOMETHING.

 

[Elite Crow]

Where did Rory Laird play before being selected? Because he's playing small defender right now.

Yes, comparing Reilly and Dangerfield. Utter refusal to even consider it is pretty much exactly what I was talking about. Dangerfield has been an extra special kind of terrible with his kicking this season.

Ballantyne gave him an almighty hiding, a few lucky bounces is the only reason it was 1 goal instead of 4.

Grigg was drafted as a midfielder, which he was playing in our Under 18 side. Laird was backpocket and played a lot of his football there for West.

Dangers kicking is no where near as bad as what you are suggesting. To suggest its been extra special kind of terrible shows you dont have a clue. Besides didnt you post recently that you hadnt seen all the games this year? As for Dangers kicking, compare a clearance king, contested ball winner booting the ball forward to a defender kicking to the opponent from a kick in is beyond stupid, its a special kind of terrible comparison.

So you've shyed away from Thomas killing Brown now that you realise 3 of Thomas's 4 goals werent on Brown. Now its if Ballantye had lucky bounces he would have killed Brown. I reckon if Brown had a few lucky bounces Brown would have kicked 10 goals.

 

[pjcrows]

We need an X factor this week. Freo game was way too predictable.

Henderson and McKernan for Porplyzia and Martin.

 

[Vader]

And you say other people have blinkered views?

He's a mediocre footballer, and not the best leader on our list, let alone one of the best in the AFL.

And yet he's been voted Captain by his peers and appointed Captain by two separate coaches, both of whom have probably forgotten more about leadership than you (or I) will ever begin to know. I think I know whose judgement I trust in this - and it's not yours.

 

[Elite Crow]

And yet he's been voted Captain by his peers and appointed Captain by two separate coaches, both of whom have probably forgotten more about leadership than you (or I) will ever begin to know. I think I know whose judgement I trust in this - and it's not yours.

Did Sando and Craig claim VB was one of the best captains in the AFL or was that your judgement?

 

[rayven]

I think that Freo play like Sydney, more so than anyone else. I think freo are in better form.Sydney however have more dangerous forwards. We chiefly lost to Freo for the same reasons we generally lose to Sydney, failure to convert F50 entries. Unless the changes are forced, I'd be looking at this issue the closet when considering dropping players. Rotating Mckernan from the pocket and in the ruck, would be the most obvious change. If Mckay misses from injury. Thats one change.

If we drop Rielly, who do we use as the sweeper? Otten? Then we 're going to need third KPD, Otten is an obvious match up for Goodes.. Has Vince got it in him to play Reillys sweeping role and then we could bring in another in and under mid like Crouch? if we bring in another mid , I'd of thought one that can handle the physicality of Sydney, one that possibly will tire them as much as possible.

 

[Jack is Back]

I can't believe that morons can breed so quickly.

Here's how it works boys and girls; Nineteen year old KIDS don't kick 6 goals every week, they have good matches and bad matches. To quote Dermot Brereton, KIDS need 50 - 70 games before they demonstrate their long term potential. Kerridge, Lyons, Laird and Brown have all had fantastic starts to their AFL careers but lets chuck them back to the SANFL the first time they disappoint and bring back Callinan and Johncock.

I suggest that you start following Hawthorn if you want instant success.

Just for the record, Brad Crouch was outstanding in his last AFL game.

 

[1970crow]

Why would they have chosen Riley, when they already had a better alternative (Wright) on the emergency list? Wright was born to play in yesterday's game. His non-selection is truly mind boggling, particularly when they chose to select Martin instead. But Riley?

Your previous post is about vb being secure and highly regarded as captain and player. This supports your argument that anyone questioning whether his form warrants scrutiny pretty well doesn't know what they are talking about. Probably don't even watch the games right. You then claim that the selectors made a 'mind boggling' error of judgement in selecting Martin over wright. So is vader the only supporter who is able to question selection decisions or do you happen to be the only complete and utter hypocrite when they do it.

 

[swanfan]

Time to unleash Grigg.

 

[King Elvis]

Tim for Poplyzia to go back to Westies ........just needs to regain confidence

Wright has to com back in for Lyons .....who has done well but not well enough IMO to hold Wright out

Lyons has barely put a foot wrong??

He was good yesterday and very good last week, why would you turf him?

 

[Vader]

Your previous post is about vb being secure and highly regarded as captain and player. This supports your argument that anyone questioning whether his form warrants scrutiny pretty well doesn't know what they are talking about.

I have no problems with people questioning VB's performance. He is well down on where he was performing in 2012. That said, he's not on his pat malone in that regard. Very few of our senior players are performing anywhere near the levels they achieved last year - and some of them have ended up in the SANFL as a result.

That said, questions about his leadership and his position in the team are just flat out ludicrous.

Probably don't even watch the games right.

Wrong.. but you usually are, especially when you go on the personal attack, so carry on as always..

You then claim that the selectors made a 'mind boggling' error of judgement in selecting Martin over wright. So is vader the only supporter who is able to question selection decisions or do you happen to be the only complete and utter hypocrite when they do it.

Martin's performance was an epic failure. Wright is a master of the wet, in & under, down & dirty game style. He would have been perfect for yesterday's conditions. The fact that nobody has argued against this is a pretty fair indicator that my suggestion/comment was a good one.

If you must launch a personal attack on me (and I know you love doing it), please make it one which is rational, logical and doesn't fall apart as soon as someone with an IQ higher than 2 decides to read it.

 

[King Elvis]

His points stands Vader, either the Coaches (one of who was sacked) can make mistakes, or they can't.

And his position in the side should be under scrutiny, at the moment he's a bit part player who we are struggling to find a role do.

What position/role are we playing him in, and what role would you play him in??

And yet he's been voted Captain by his peers and appointed Captain by two separate coaches, both of whom have probably forgotten more about leadership than you (or I) will ever begin to know. I think I know whose judgement I trust in this - and it's not yours.

You're right, the coaches are infallible and never make mistakes.

VB is definitely one of the best Captains in the AFL, and hopefully he'll be our Captain for years to come, regardless of whether he's good enough to be in the side.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Lyons has barely put a foot wrong??

He was good yesterday and very good last week, why would you turf him?

I think you are being pretty kind to Lyon re yesterdays game. He had no impact at all, but I'd have thought his place is still secure

 

[Vader]

You're right, the coaches are infallible and never make mistakes.

VB is definitely one of the best Captains in the AFL, and hopefully he'll be our Captain for years to come, regardless of whether he's good enough to be in the side.

Glad to see you coming around to the dark side of the force.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

And yet he's been voted Captain by his peers and appointed Captain by two separate coaches, both of whom have probably forgotten more about leadership than you (or I) will ever begin to know. I think I know whose judgement I trust in this - and it's not yours.

I'm willing to believe he's a good leader both on and off the field. The problem is his form. If your captain is out-of-form, the whole team suffers because you can't drop him. He's actually less accountable then the other players on the list, which is the exact opposite of what we wan't out of a captain. Our own systems are ****ing us over here and I don't see how its good for anybody, VB included.

 

[King Elvis]

I think you are being pretty kind to Lyon re yesterdays game. He had no impact at all, but I'd have thought his place is still secure

I'd have him in our best 10 yesterday, but that's as much of a reflection on how poor the majority of the side was, as it is to how well he played.

But he was decent, at worst, and better than Vince, Mackay, Martin, VB, Otten, Reilly, Smith, Porplysia and Kerridge.

Lyons is a long way back on our list of concerns, especially considering his age.

 

[King Elvis]

Glad to see you coming around to the dark side of the force.

I'm sure he is a good role model off of the field - you can't fault his preparation or professionalism, but, to me, they aren't the attributes that are most important in selecting your Captain. I'd prefer a gun on field leader over a gun off field one. Your Captain doesn't have to be your very best player, but he should be one of them.

And Otten would get murdered by Goodes, way too slow to go with him. Smith will likely get the job.

 

[Vader]

I'm willing to believe he's a good leader both on and off the field. The problem is his form. If your captain is out-of-form, the whole team suffers because you can't drop him. He's actually less accountable then the other players on the list, which is the exact opposite of what we wan't out of a captain. Our own systems are ******* us over here and I don't see how its good for anybody, VB included.

I think he's down on form. No question there. Down on form to the point where he deserves to be dropped? Not even remotely close to reaching that point.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I think he's down on form. No question there. Down on form to the point where he deserves to be dropped? Not even remotely close to reaching that point.

But even if he got to that point, he still wouldn't be dropped.

 

[Vader]

I'm sure he is a good role model off of the field - you can't fault his preparation or professionalism, but, to me, they aren't the attributes that are most important in selecting your Captain. I'd prefer a gun on field leader over a gun off field one. Your Captain doesn't have to be your very best player, but he should be one of them.

And Otten would get murdered by Goodes, way too slow to go with him. Smith will likely get the job.

That's cool. I accept that you and the majority of BigFooty posters have a very limited understanding of what leadership actually is, and what makes a good Captain.

There is nothing I can post which will change your views, or open your eyes to an understanding of real leadership, so there's really not a lot of point in wasting either of our time in trying.

 

[Vader]

But even if he got to that point, he still wouldn't be dropped.

I'm not so sure. We have seen him subbed out of the game before, when he was having an absolute stinker. I have confidence that Sando wouldn't let the Captaincy get in the way of sending him back to the magoos if things got that bad.

So far this year we've seen Porps dropped (and reinstated without playing a SANFL game), Wright, Johncock, Vince, Petrenko and Callinan have also been dropped - some of them for good, others being allowed back after redeeming themselves in the SANFL. Jaensch, Tambling & Martin have been given opportunities which they failed to grasp and now find themselves back in the SANFL where they belong (ok - Martin was a late inclusion last week, it would take a miracle for him to retain his position).

Given the history, with Sando demonstrating repeatedly that reputations count for nothing, I have little doubt that VB would be dropped if he deserved it. Right now, he's not even remotely close to being dropped.

 

[scoota10]

Any Westies supporters have a view on Adam Hartlett .......was really talented and recruited to Carlton but just couldn't get on the park with those dreaded Hartlett Hamstrings

Is he worth a Rookie listing?

I see him every week he is not disciplined enough for AFL plus inj prone
NOW if you said Travis Tuck... Yes Yes Yes 190 cm hard running Mid Fielder when he tackles
you get hurt

 

[King Elvis]

That's cool. I accept that you and the majority of BigFooty posters have a very limited understanding of what leadership actually is, and what makes a good Captain.

There is nothing I can post which will change your views, or open your eyes to an understanding of real leadership, so there's really not a lot of point in wasting either of our time in trying.

Pathetic Vader. To think I used to respect you as one of the better posters on the board; you've lost the plot.

I'm confident I have a better understanding of those things than you, but we're here to discuss the footy, not have irrelevant and useless dick measuring competitions.

Given the history, with Sando demonstrating repeatedly that reputations count for nothing

He hasn't demonstrated that, he's dropped players that are easy to drop. As I keep saying, when the time comes to decide between Crouch or VB, and Shaw or Reilly, then we'll see whether he has the balls to make the hard decisions.

 

[Elite Crow]

That's cool. I accept that you and the majority of BigFooty posters have a very limited understanding of what leadership actually is, and what makes a good Captain.

There is nothing I can post which will change your views, or open your eyes to an understanding of real leadership, so there's really not a lot of point in wasting either of our time in trying.

Look I know you are ignoring me but this comment needs expanding. By claiming VB is one of the best captains and leaders in the AFL are you basing this on your superior understanding of leadership and what makes a good captain? If so can you please share those credentials with us otherwise it's just another case of you believing your opinion is gospel and we are mere inferior mortals.

 

[Elite Crow]

Look I know you are ignoring me but this comment needs expanding. By claiming VB is one of the best captains and leaders in the AFL are you basing this on your superior understanding of leadership and what makes a good captain? If so can you please share those credentials with us otherwise it's just another case of you believing your opinion is gospel and we are mere inferior mortals.

King Elvis can you please repeat this post, because I'd really like an answer and he doesn't talk to me