Rumour Future of the club (Bevo, board, assistant coaches, football department)

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The Inbetweener said:
Heard something similar that we offered $1M but he wants his full pay out of $1.7M.
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Geez that’s bad, really bad.

Do the people saying Oh we ****ed up just pay him what he deserves!! Not realise how crippling that would be?

That’s either a completely barebones coaching panel, or if we wanted to max out the soft cap on an experienced panel & new coach, a nearly $3mil hit to the clubs wallet.

Surely the AFL can wave their magic wand here and get involved
 
The Inbetweener said:
Heard something similar that we offered $1M but he wants his full pay out of $1.7M.
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As much as it’s a problem for the club I don’t blame Bevo for that starting point. The admin of the club was stupid enough to give him that contract with no performance triggers. How easy would it have been to make 2025 conditional on making finals in 2023 when we’d just brought in Jones and Lobb to top up.

A settlement will be reached below 100%. If he’s demanding full payout you just keep him under contract but bring in someone else to coach. He wouldn’t want to sit out entirely and do nothing for 2 full years.

Side question: Could we offer Bevo on non soft cap related job amendment for $1.7m over 2 years? He can go around doing Auskick events in the western suburbs for all I care. It’s a bit silly in a system designed to achieve equalisation that an underperforming club who is sacked still gets counted in the soft cap.
 

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doggies ftw said:
Geez that’s bad, really bad.

Do the people saying Oh we ****ed up just pay him what he deserves!! Not realise how crippling that would be?

That’s either a completely barebones coaching panel, or if we wanted to max out the soft cap on an experienced panel & new coach, a nearly $3mil hit to the clubs wallet.

Surely the AFL can wave their magic wand here and get involved
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The 6-month clause obviously doesn't apply given the negotiations going on but I'd be lobbying the AFL still to only include 6-months salary of the payout in the soft cap.
 
* that! Im not gettin' off this ride, this is way too much fun. Lets go around again!

Whoohooo!

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doggies ftw said:
Geez that’s bad, really bad.

Do the people saying Oh we ****ed up just pay him what he deserves!! Not realise how crippling that would be?

That’s either a completely barebones coaching panel, or if we wanted to max out the soft cap on an experienced panel & new coach, a nearly $3mil hit to the clubs wallet.

Surely the AFL can wave their magic wand here and get involved
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There is a reason Grant looks so nervous.
 
Would it really surprise anyone if Bevo just refused to give an inch to the club regarding the payout?

He's shown time and again that he a stubborn man. With an angry streak.

He won't budge. And good on him. As much as I've been a critic of his. The administration around him are just as much to blame for where we find ourselves now.

They need to be held accountable also. Maybe even more so.
 
The Western Bulldogs hierarchy overruled senior coach Luke Beveridge in their decision to part with long-time assistant and popular former player Rohan Smith.
According to two well-placed club sources familiar with the situation who requested anonymity because of its sensitivity, Beveridge had wanted Smith to be retained in the coaching panel, but the club’s football boss Chris Grant, with the backing of chief executive Ameet Bains, ruled that change was needed in the coaching panel for 2024 after a disappointing season.
Beveridge, however, has accepted that Smith, a 300-game star of the 1990s and 2000s, would not be offered a contract for next year, one club source explained. Smith had been the club’s back-line coach for several years, a role he also filled during the Bulldogs’ extraordinary 2016 premiership.

Beveridge’s resistance to the Smith call is viewed as consistent with his fierce loyalty to those he works with.
That Beveridge was forced to accept the hierarchy’s wishes for change in his coaching panel is a measure of how the senior coach’s control of football decisions has been reduced to an extent during what the Bulldogs acknowledge has been a disappointing season to date.
As the club’s only premiership coach since 1954 and only coach to reach a grand final since 1961 (he’s reached two), Beveridge has wielded significant power within the football department, but the Bulldogs believe change around him is necessary for the club’s sake.

The Bulldogs have chosen to address their failings by making changes in the football department, including to the coaching panel, to better support Beveridge, who has lost the experienced assistant coaches Ash Hansen (Carlton), Steven King (Gold Coast), Daniel Giansiracusa (Essendon), Joel Corey (Fremantle), Jordan Russell and Dale Morris since 2020. Hansen, King and Giansiracusa all departed to advance their careers, leaving the Dogs light on for experience and arguably increased the reliance and strain on Beveridge in a less-resourced football operation.
Corey, Russell and Morris were casualties of the COVID cutbacks to football budgets.

The Bulldogs have publicly backed Beveridge to remain senior coach for next year, as put on the record by Grant on Monday on SEN radio.
Beveridge is contracted to coach the Bulldogs for another two years, but, as with most other clubs, there is protection for the club if there’s an earlier parting. He signed a two-year contract extension in December, having coached the club since 2015.

Beveridge retains significant support from the board, especially from football director and former star and media commentator Luke Darcy, who was on the panel that recommended Beveridge as senior coach.

The Bulldogs view is that the team has under-performed, relative to its talent, and that some players have not played at their usual stellar levels, including gun midfielder Jack Macrae, rebounding playmaker Caleb Daniel and, to a degree, hard-running midfielder Bailey Smith.

While Smith is under contract for next year, there remains doubt about whether he wants to remain at the Bulldogs, with rival clubs monitoring his situation. Smith likes to play midfield, but has sometimes been deployed on the wing and had fewer centre bounce appearances this year when used as a high half-forward.
The Bulldogs, while disappointed with the win-loss tally and especially with the losses to Hawthorn and West Coast over the past fortnight, believe they have been close to much better results, having been within eight points of their opposition in the final quarter of every game since round two, barring the Collingwood game of round 17.

Bains recently put on record that the Bulldogs believed they had a top-four-capable playing list. Internally, however, there is recognition that their depth is not at the level of some teams, that their midfield – while highly credentialed and boasting a generational player in Marcus Bontempelli – has little leg speed and that they don’t have the same level of star quality in defence as some top teams. They were hurt by the absence of full-back Liam Jones for several weeks.

Elite talents Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Darcy, the son of Luke, are only in the infancy of their careers.

The Bulldogs, criticised for recruiting Rory Lobb from Fremantle to fill a forward/ruck hole, contend that Lobb’s presence has been beneficial to Tim English in the ruck and to Ugle-Hagan’s development.

Making change while retaining the coach is a template that was followed by Collingwood in 2017, before their rise to a grand final, and Richmond in 2016, before the 2017 flag, when Nathan Buckley and Damien Hardwick were forced to accept changes in the football department and in their methods. A key difference is that Beveridge’s position is not under threat and that he already has a premiership.

Beveridge, who did a media conference on Friday and was busy preparing for Saturday’s crucial game against the Cats – which can put the Dogs back inside the eight before Greater Western Sydney play Carlton on Sunday – did not want to comment on the Rohan Smith situation on Friday when contacted via the club. Smith was unavailable for comment.
 
VitalDread said:
The Western Bulldogs hierarchy overruled senior coach Luke Beveridge in their decision to part with long-time assistant and popular former player Rohan Smith.
According to two well-placed club sources familiar with the situation who requested anonymity because of its sensitivity, Beveridge had wanted Smith to be retained in the coaching panel, but the club’s football boss Chris Grant, with the backing of chief executive Ameet Bains, ruled that change was needed in the coaching panel for 2024 after a disappointing season.
Beveridge, however, has accepted that Smith, a 300-game star of the 1990s and 2000s, would not be offered a contract for next year, one club source explained. Smith had been the club’s back-line coach for several years, a role he also filled during the Bulldogs’ extraordinary 2016 premiership.

Beveridge’s resistance to the Smith call is viewed as consistent with his fierce loyalty to those he works with.
That Beveridge was forced to accept the hierarchy’s wishes for change in his coaching panel is a measure of how the senior coach’s control of football decisions has been reduced to an extent during what the Bulldogs acknowledge has been a disappointing season to date.
As the club’s only premiership coach since 1954 and only coach to reach a grand final since 1961 (he’s reached two), Beveridge has wielded significant power within the football department, but the Bulldogs believe change around him is necessary for the club’s sake.

The Bulldogs have chosen to address their failings by making changes in the football department, including to the coaching panel, to better support Beveridge, who has lost the experienced assistant coaches Ash Hansen (Carlton), Steven King (Gold Coast), Daniel Giansiracusa (Essendon), Joel Corey (Fremantle), Jordan Russell and Dale Morris since 2020. Hansen, King and Giansiracusa all departed to advance their careers, leaving the Dogs light on for experience and arguably increased the reliance and strain on Beveridge in a less-resourced football operation.
Corey, Russell and Morris were casualties of the COVID cutbacks to football budgets.

The Bulldogs have publicly backed Beveridge to remain senior coach for next year, as put on the record by Grant on Monday on SEN radio.
Beveridge is contracted to coach the Bulldogs for another two years, but, as with most other clubs, there is protection for the club if there’s an earlier parting. He signed a two-year contract extension in December, having coached the club since 2015.

Beveridge retains significant support from the board, especially from football director and former star and media commentator Luke Darcy, who was on the panel that recommended Beveridge as senior coach.

The Bulldogs view is that the team has under-performed, relative to its talent, and that some players have not played at their usual stellar levels, including gun midfielder Jack Macrae, rebounding playmaker Caleb Daniel and, to a degree, hard-running midfielder Bailey Smith.

While Smith is under contract for next year, there remains doubt about whether he wants to remain at the Bulldogs, with rival clubs monitoring his situation. Smith likes to play midfield, but has sometimes been deployed on the wing and had fewer centre bounce appearances this year when used as a high half-forward.
The Bulldogs, while disappointed with the win-loss tally and especially with the losses to Hawthorn and West Coast over the past fortnight, believe they have been close to much better results, having been within eight points of their opposition in the final quarter of every game since round two, barring the Collingwood game of round 17.

Bains recently put on record that the Bulldogs believed they had a top-four-capable playing list. Internally, however, there is recognition that their depth is not at the level of some teams, that their midfield – while highly credentialed and boasting a generational player in Marcus Bontempelli – has little leg speed and that they don’t have the same level of star quality in defence as some top teams. They were hurt by the absence of full-back Liam Jones for several weeks.

Elite talents Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Darcy, the son of Luke, are only in the infancy of their careers.

The Bulldogs, criticised for recruiting Rory Lobb from Fremantle to fill a forward/ruck hole, contend that Lobb’s presence has been beneficial to Tim English in the ruck and to Ugle-Hagan’s development.

Making change while retaining the coach is a template that was followed by Collingwood in 2017, before their rise to a grand final, and Richmond in 2016, before the 2017 flag, when Nathan Buckley and Damien Hardwick were forced to accept changes in the football department and in their methods. A key difference is that Beveridge’s position is not under threat and that he already has a premiership.

Beveridge, who did a media conference on Friday and was busy preparing for Saturday’s crucial game against the Cats – which can put the Dogs back inside the eight before Greater Western Sydney play Carlton on Sunday – did not want to comment on the Rohan Smith situation on Friday when contacted via the club. Smith was unavailable for comment.
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That puts it all to rest.

Beveridge will be coach next year.

Lock thread.
 
doggies ftw said:
Well it depends on what the actual figures of the payout are ie what we’re offering and what he’s asking for. Worst case scenario is a full payout, if we want him out he’s out - but him for eg saying I want 95% or whatever is still being mighty stubborn.

If it’s true his next contract is significantly lower, what would he realistically be on? 750k pa? That would make 600k apart still a huge difference
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Initial post from Fronk was severance package offered was 50% of contract value over 2yrs - i.e. 600k difference between parties would be 300k per year which is half a 600k per year contract. Makes sense. I reckon if we upped it to 80%, that could sway him?
 

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If the only ‘change’ we witness over this off season is a new head coach, and the club high five themselves about what such a great job they’ve done. I am going to lose my sh**. Rot starts at the top. Board has displayed nothing short of demonstrating they are incompetent short sighted risk adverse panic merchants.
 
Whilst the season is still live, Beveridge has no real incentive to take whatever the clubs current offer is. And the club has no real incentive to work to a consensus number. Because they cannot act until its done.

If a decision has indeed been made, and we either lose or miss out due to other results the club would almost certainly look to move quickly and settle. Advantage Bulldogs.

Because the pressure that will be brought to bear will be immense, if we dont Advantage Bulldogs.

If we win and play (maybe even won) finals a fair bit of the clubs financial leverage will be lost. Advantage Beveridge.

Because the questions around sacking a coach of a team who played (maybe even won) finals would be immense. Advantage Beveridge.

Thats how the media works kids. They get run choose their argument. Disadvantage everyone else.

The clubs has pickled and placed itself in an airtight jar of their own making.
 
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VitalDread said:
The Western Bulldogs hierarchy overruled senior coach Luke Beveridge in their decision to part with long-time assistant and popular former player Rohan Smith.
According to two well-placed club sources familiar with the situation who requested anonymity because of its sensitivity, Beveridge had wanted Smith to be retained in the coaching panel, but the club’s football boss Chris Grant, with the backing of chief executive Ameet Bains, ruled that change was needed in the coaching panel for 2024 after a disappointing season.
Beveridge, however, has accepted that Smith, a 300-game star of the 1990s and 2000s, would not be offered a contract for next year, one club source explained. Smith had been the club’s back-line coach for several years, a role he also filled during the Bulldogs’ extraordinary 2016 premiership.

Beveridge’s resistance to the Smith call is viewed as consistent with his fierce loyalty to those he works with.
That Beveridge was forced to accept the hierarchy’s wishes for change in his coaching panel is a measure of how the senior coach’s control of football decisions has been reduced to an extent during what the Bulldogs acknowledge has been a disappointing season to date.
As the club’s only premiership coach since 1954 and only coach to reach a grand final since 1961 (he’s reached two), Beveridge has wielded significant power within the football department, but the Bulldogs believe change around him is necessary for the club’s sake.

The Bulldogs have chosen to address their failings by making changes in the football department, including to the coaching panel, to better support Beveridge, who has lost the experienced assistant coaches Ash Hansen (Carlton), Steven King (Gold Coast), Daniel Giansiracusa (Essendon), Joel Corey (Fremantle), Jordan Russell and Dale Morris since 2020. Hansen, King and Giansiracusa all departed to advance their careers, leaving the Dogs light on for experience and arguably increased the reliance and strain on Beveridge in a less-resourced football operation.
Corey, Russell and Morris were casualties of the COVID cutbacks to football budgets.

The Bulldogs have publicly backed Beveridge to remain senior coach for next year, as put on the record by Grant on Monday on SEN radio.
Beveridge is contracted to coach the Bulldogs for another two years, but, as with most other clubs, there is protection for the club if there’s an earlier parting. He signed a two-year contract extension in December, having coached the club since 2015.

Beveridge retains significant support from the board, especially from football director and former star and media commentator Luke Darcy, who was on the panel that recommended Beveridge as senior coach.

The Bulldogs view is that the team has under-performed, relative to its talent, and that some players have not played at their usual stellar levels, including gun midfielder Jack Macrae, rebounding playmaker Caleb Daniel and, to a degree, hard-running midfielder Bailey Smith.

While Smith is under contract for next year, there remains doubt about whether he wants to remain at the Bulldogs, with rival clubs monitoring his situation. Smith likes to play midfield, but has sometimes been deployed on the wing and had fewer centre bounce appearances this year when used as a high half-forward.
The Bulldogs, while disappointed with the win-loss tally and especially with the losses to Hawthorn and West Coast over the past fortnight, believe they have been close to much better results, having been within eight points of their opposition in the final quarter of every game since round two, barring the Collingwood game of round 17.

Bains recently put on record that the Bulldogs believed they had a top-four-capable playing list. Internally, however, there is recognition that their depth is not at the level of some teams, that their midfield – while highly credentialed and boasting a generational player in Marcus Bontempelli – has little leg speed and that they don’t have the same level of star quality in defence as some top teams. They were hurt by the absence of full-back Liam Jones for several weeks.

Elite talents Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Sam Darcy, the son of Luke, are only in the infancy of their careers.

The Bulldogs, criticised for recruiting Rory Lobb from Fremantle to fill a forward/ruck hole, contend that Lobb’s presence has been beneficial to Tim English in the ruck and to Ugle-Hagan’s development.

Making change while retaining the coach is a template that was followed by Collingwood in 2017, before their rise to a grand final, and Richmond in 2016, before the 2017 flag, when Nathan Buckley and Damien Hardwick were forced to accept changes in the football department and in their methods. A key difference is that Beveridge’s position is not under threat and that he already has a premiership.

Beveridge, who did a media conference on Friday and was busy preparing for Saturday’s crucial game against the Cats – which can put the Dogs back inside the eight before Greater Western Sydney play Carlton on Sunday – did not want to comment on the Rohan Smith situation on Friday when contacted via the club. Smith was unavailable for comment.
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I have good intel Bevo does not enjoy full support of the board during the last 5 days.
 
doggies ftw said:
Geez that’s bad, really bad.

Do the people saying Oh we ****ed up just pay him what he deserves!! Not realise how crippling that would be?

That’s either a completely barebones coaching panel, or if we wanted to max out the soft cap on an experienced panel & new coach, a nearly $3mil hit to the clubs wallet.

Surely the AFL can wave their magic wand here and get involved
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* that. We made our bed, so we should lie in it. But it should be the board who make up the shortfall. There has to be a strong level of accountability towards them for their lack of due diligence and in any other business, if you make an error, you are held responsible with your job/finances on the line. Furious that it's come to this and there has to be recourse at board level as well as dept level. This isn't the AFL's mess to clean up, it's ours, and wanting them to bail us out is resorting to small club mindset again. I'm over that!
 
If the report is true that he wants a full payout, keep him, make significant changes to the fitness department and management. Spend the next two years planning for the future and go hard in 2025 for a top coach and supporting staff.

It will likely be an ordinary next two seasons but paying out that much will leave with so few decent options for replacement coaches that it wouldn’t even be worth the change. Focus on getting the support and structure in place
 
cherrypie said:
If the report is true that he wants a full payout, keep him, make significant changes to the fitness department and management. Spend the next two years planning for the future and go hard in 2025 for a top coach and supporting staff.

It will likely be an ordinary next two seasons but paying out that much will leave with so few decent options for replacement coaches that it wouldn’t even be worth the change. Focus on getting the support and structure in place
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And lose a number of top tier players if reports are to be believed? 1 coach or 5 players? I'm ditching the coach in this scenario.
 
cherrypie said:
If the report is true that he wants a full payout, keep him, make significant changes to the fitness department and management. Spend the next two years planning for the future and go hard in 2025 for a top coach and supporting staff.

It will likely be an ordinary next two seasons but paying out that much will leave with so few decent options for replacement coaches that it wouldn’t even be worth the change. Focus on getting the support and structure in place
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I don’t agree Cherie, you could cripple the club if you lost star players and games and prime time exposure. We would be in such a hole that North Melbourne would be looking good compared with us. No, if he is now not the right coach, it’s time, and he shouldn’t go another week. This is why our board should resign. Apparently Luke Darcy was on the radio this evening saying Bevo is staying, that is because he might look stupid if they were forced to sack him, which I think they have no choice now.
 
cherrypie said:
If the report is true that he wants a full payout, keep him, make significant changes to the fitness department and management. Spend the next two years planning for the future and go hard in 2025 for a top coach and supporting staff.

It will likely be an ordinary next two seasons but paying out that much will leave with so few decent options for replacement coaches that it wouldn’t even be worth the change. Focus on getting the support and structure in place
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As already stated. If the stories of a payout are true it's just a matter of time.

There's no going back from that as any relationship between the board and coach would be untenable.
 
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