Yeah, its just wrong. The bloke is the mark is being shepherded out, meanwhile the ball handler is playing on and gaining 5-10 metres. It was good to see Carey highlight it last night on talking footy. I was watching the Hawks do this all day Sunday swearing my head off. Disgraceful by Hawthorn and they need to be penalized.
Hawthorn Blocking the Man on the Mark
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Yeah, its just wrong. The bloke is the mark is being shepherded out, meanwhile the ball handler is playing on and gaining 5-10 metres. It was good to see Carey highlight it last night on talking footy. I was watching the Hawks do this all day Sunday swearing my head off. Disgraceful by Hawthorn and they need to be penalized.
It happens AFTER the call of play on, so quite legal. Nothing to see here.
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Pretty sure Collingwood were doing this under Malthouse back in 2010/11 as well. Nothing new. If the AFL want it gone it's an easy fix surely.
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That would prevent teammates from running by for a handball however. Wouldn't work
For what? It is not against the rules as previously stated.
The Gunston goal that Carey highlighted is a great example of lazy defence and coaching, not cheating. Sheils kicks to Gunston who marks it. Shiels then runs behind McDonald who is on the mark. You hear the umpire call 'Stay behind the mark'. Sheils opponent Harmes does not go with him but runs to mind grass 30m from goal. As Gunston plays on Sheils is there to shepherd. Had Harmes made Sheils accountable, Gunston could not have played on.
If every nuffy watching the game could see it why the hell didn't the Melbourne coaches do something about it?
Lazy coaching, lazy defending that's it. No need for an ambiguous rule change.
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So if a teammate goes past and the handball isn't on then it's play on?
And the protected zone isn't clear cut. This would make the game soooo much worse as the rules are already very wishy washy
May have been Lever not Harmes. (Small screen) Lewis involved too. Sheils just runs harder to be in the play.
Go here all concerned
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-04-15/gunston-gunbarrel-straight-from-the-pocket.
The AFL don't need to do anything. If Lever or Lewis had gone with Sheils and stood boundary side of him Gunston could not have played on. This is the greatest example of how easily Melbourne could have stopped the tactic.
Only the lazy want the AFL to step in.
I don't really see the problem with it. As predominantly Hawthorn posters have said, the man who is marking the player applying the shepherd should be on the mark with him to ensure that the kicker doesn't gain an advantage by playing on. More players on the mark might look silly but has the advantage of freeing up play down to ground with one less man flooding back. However, if the bolded tactic above instead starts to become more ubiquitous I could see the the AFL moving to outlaw the shepherding on the mark because this isn't an attractive look for the game. No one wants to see the play repeatedly restarted multiple times because of a constant cluster#%$@ on the mark.
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Protected zone starts at the mark and goes to behind the player with the ball, it doesn't extend past the mark
So standing behind the man on the mark is allowed, as long as you don't interfere with him before play on is called
And the rule as written at the moment
So once the player deviates off his line it is play on, at that point their is no mark for anyone to man and it is open play where a shepherd is allowed
So standing behind the man on the mark is allowed, as long as you don't interfere with him before play on is called
And the rule as written at the moment
So once the player deviates off his line it is play on, at that point their is no mark for anyone to man and it is open play where a shepherd is allowed
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Hawthorn is the master at using this tactic, and they must be finding some tactical advantage in doing so
Never understood why no other teams really do it
Never understood why no other teams really do it
I have mixed feelings as I prefer that the AFL simplified the rules not complicated them more. Also, not sure how much of an advantage it is as there is one less player to kick it to. If it does advantage the attacking side so much what's wrong another opposition player standing on the other side of the shepherding player (which I vaguely remember Geelong doing a few times).
You are not a Saints fan, so stick to the topic. Stop trying to deflect.
The player is only deviating off his line when he looks and sees that his teammate is shepherding the man on the mark. You know this though. Stop pretending it isn't happening. It is cheating. Hawthorn are a pack of cheats.
I agree with that, but wouldn't fix this issue as the player standing next to the man on the mark is not in the protected zone
Step 1: Clarkson finds new legal trick to give Hawthorn advantage
Step 2: Opposition fans don't like said trick, sook on BF
Step 3: Hawthorn wins flag(s)
Step 4: Rules change to take advantage away
Step 5: Repeat
About sums it up.
Step 2: Opposition fans don't like said trick, sook on BF
Step 3: Hawthorn wins flag(s)
Step 4: Rules change to take advantage away
Step 5: Repeat
About sums it up.
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I just love the irony of someone totally lacking in moral fibre like Carey can look at the camera and suggest other people may not be doing the right thing.
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His team mate is not shepherding the man on the mark, he is ready to shepherd if play on is called. Once play on is called their is no mark or man on it.
Players get called Play on all the time for deviating off their line without a team mate ready to shepherd for them
It's not cheating and you should take a breath and calm down
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There is a thread on this board from April 2010 complaining about Collingwood doing it to MelbourneStep 1: Clarkson finds new legal trick to give Hawthorn advantage
Step 2: Opposition fans don't like said trick, sook on BF
Step 3: Hawthorn wins flag(s)
Step 4: Rules change to take advantage away
Step 5: Repeat
About sums it up.
AFL hasn't seen a need to change the rule for 8 years now
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They're standing too close before the call though. It would be like standing 2m behind the guy with the ball and waiting for him to get a play on call and then chasing him down. Look at the footage that was brought up on TF last night, they're literally within a foot of the man of the mark before the call.
