Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 6

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DA came into office on arguably the most financially wasteful platform I can remember. His intrusive form of politics has been beneficial during this health crisis; I am thankful for his seemingly natural tendency to control and curb freedoms. However, after this immediate crisis has passed, but for another similarly severe emergency requiring limitation of civil liberties, I don't ever again want to the State of Victoria under leadership of the far-left.
That’s not far left.
Far left would be sharp increases in higher tax rates, increases in welfare and wealth redistribution
What you are describing is central control/ authoritarian tendencies which aren’t left v right but authoritarian vs libertarian
 

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It is an issue thats why a code brown has been called. The number of staff resigning is a greater issue than leave as I understand the workforce problems, e.g : https://www.miragenews.com/acn-fears-for-mental-health-of-nursing-workforce-704236/
I think as a leadership function if you ask junior health staff to cancel leave you should be cancelling your own leave.
For example my director has had leave canceled (before this code brown) so if they then cancel my leave I don’t feel unfairly treated (mind I both don’t have upcoming leave and my director has also stated will avoid canceling leave being aware this is not an acute problem and skipping leave now leads to increased burnout and sick leave)
 

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That’s not far left.
Far left would be sharp increases in higher tax rates, increases in welfare and wealth redistribution
What you are describing is central control/ authoritarian tendencies which aren’t left v right but authoritarian vs libertarian
Fine, then let’s refer to him as an overly controlling autocratic leader who happens to be aligned with left leaning socialist faction of a generally left leaning, but otherwise not so left, Victorian Labour Party.
 

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I think as a leadership function if you ask junior health staff to cancel leave you should be cancelling your own leave.
For example my director has had leave canceled (before this code brown) so if they then cancel my leave I don’t feel unfairly treated (mind I both don’t have upcoming leave and my director has also stated will avoid canceling leave being aware this is not an acute problem and skipping leave now leads to increased burnout and sick leave)

:thumbsu: leaders lead ... goes with the territory. Imposters hung out to dry.
 

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Fine, then let’s refer to him as an overly controlling autocratic leader who happens to be aligned with left leaning socialist faction of a generally left leaning, but otherwise not so left, Victorian Labour Party.

To the people who voted for him last time, these tags that you want to hang on him, are irrelevant. The Opposition were a rabble, couldnt organise a ** in a brewery/ a **** in a brothel.
As things stand Dan will be re-elected, nothing has changed.
A good campaign by the Opposition might see them lay a glove on him ... ;) ... if they start yesterday.
 
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To the people who voted for him last time, these tags that you want to hang on him, are irrelevant. The Opposition were a rabble, couldnt organise a ** in a brewery/ a ** in a brothel.
As things stand Dan will be re-elected, nothing has changed.
A good campaign by the Opposition might see them lay a glove on him ... ;) ... if they start yesterday.

They have so much ammo yet their election campaign just seems to dig up the same old Twitter sh**. They knee jerk and use the latest news to try and swing voters. It’s all they do.

Oh cases are rising and Dans on leave:
“Why is Dan on leave during a crisis?”

We’ve run out of rapid tests:
“Why didn’t Dan order the rapid tests?”
“Why did Dan say rapid tests don’t work?”

We’re low on healthcare staff:
“Why did Dan sack all the unvaccinated nurses?”

Hospital capacity is thin:
“Where are the 4000 beds Dan promised?”

It’s utter high school garbage. Seriously can’t stand the lot of them. Unqualified morons.
 

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Nonetheless the nutters on either side currently arent relevant to forming Government, & are a liability for mainstream parties with any realistic chance of winning an election.
why do you always quote your way into a conversation and then talk about something irrelevant that wasn't being discussed

Someone thinking the Andrew's Government is far left is a reflection of the problems with Australian politics as a whole, how its represented and what people think counts as left vs right either socially or economically

This isn't about forming Government, I'm not talking about individual candidates here or people with actual extremist views I'm talking about how warped peoples views of left vs right is

Wanting to influence beyond their own term in Government isnt limited to one side of politics, pretty much nothing is.

no shit but if you'd waited a moment you'd have seen that the poster I asked the question of thinks this is something unique to Andrews
 

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They have so much ammo yet their election campaign just seems to dig up the same old Twitter sh**. They knee jerk and use the latest news to try and swing voters. It’s all they do.

Oh cases are rising and Dans on leave:
“Why is Dan on leave during a crisis?”

We’ve run out of rapid tests:
“Why didn’t Dan order the rapid tests?”
“Why did Dan say rapid tests don’t work?”

We’re low on healthcare staff:
“Why did Dan sack all the unvaccinated nurses?”

Hospital capacity is thin:
“Where are the 4000 beds Dan promised?”

It’s utter high school garbage. Seriously can’t stand the lot of them. Unqualified morons.

When you put it like that....it's sounds like eddiesmith and Sttew are the opposition
 

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When you put it like that....it's sounds like eddiesmith and Sttew are the opposition

Jeez, a bit tough on Sttew there mate. Sttew is ok, a bit too Tory for my liking but at least presents arguments that could be construed as reasonable.

Eddie is a nutter who really should be in an institution where professionals can look after him, feed him and change his nappies. People like Eddie really shouldn't get about society unsupervised.
 
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why do you always quote your way into a conversation and then talk about something irrelevant that wasn't being discussed

Someone thinking the Andrew's Government is far left is a reflection of the problems with Australian politics as a whole, how its represented and what people think counts as left vs right either socially or economically

This isn't about forming Government, I'm not talking about individual candidates here or people with actual extremist views I'm talking about how warped peoples views of left vs right is


no sh*t but if you'd waited a moment you'd have seen that the poster I asked the question of thinks this is something unique to Andrews

Sorry to ruin your plan for the discussion ? :'( nope.
Its not about you:
'This isn't about forming Government, I'm not talking about individual candidates here or people with actual extremist views I'm talking about how warped peoples views of left vs right is'
 

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To the people who voted for him last time, these tags that you want to hang on him, are irrelevant. The Opposition were a rabble, couldnt organise a ** in a brewery/ a **** in a brothel.
As things stand Dan will be re-elected, nothing has changed.
A good campaign by the Opposition might see them lay a glove on him ... ;) ... if they start yesterday.
Unfortunately, I think you’re right: his strength is that his oppositions is as weak as I remember it ever being.
 

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Sorry to ruin your plan for the discussion ? :'( nope.
Its not about you:
'This isn't about forming Government, I'm not talking about individual candidates here or people with actual extremist views I'm talking about how warped peoples views of left vs right is'
I'm going to assume you're just trolling at this point
 

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Looks like we are ducked code Brown by the end of the week
 

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Is the financially wasteful autocratic member of the Vic ALP’s socialist left still on recreational leave while the State approaches code Brown?
 

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Is the financially wasteful autocratic member of the Vic ALP’s socialist left still on recreational leave while the State approaches code Brown?
He’s been back for a while.
 

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Looks like we are f’ed code Brown by the end of the week
I wouldn’t say that. They mentioned today that they expected a code brown would be called at some stage during the peak.

Given they believe we’ve already hit the peak and hospitalisations lag by weeks, it’s make sense to prepare the workforce for the inevitable peak in the hospital system in the coming weeks.

It’s impossible to gather staff literally overnight so I see this more as a precursor event to deal with the expected potential strain over the 4-6 weeks.
 
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