Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Gralin]

Yeah personal responsibility is really just code for **** everyone who isn't me

 

[Crankyhawk]

Yeah personal responsibility is really just code for * everyone who isn't me

a lot of people do think like this

 

[Gralin]

a lot of people do think like this

They should have the balls to say it though

 

[adogsfan5]

Yeah personal responsibility is really just code for * everyone who isn't me

But that’s where we are at, are we not?

Personal responsibility to do a rat test and stay home until negative.

Getting Dan to do a presser to tell us isolation period is mandated again, is still a personal responsibility.

PCR testing, having masks everywhere, government handouts for time off work, surveillance of people at home to ensure in isolation - takes the personal responsibility away. Nobody has the balls to say they want these measures back either. All we get are tweets and stats.

 

[Millky95]

Yeah personal responsibility is really just code for * everyone who isn't me

"**** you; got mine" quote of the entire pandemic, imo

 

[Gralin]

But that’s where we are at, are we not?

as a society pretty much yeah

Personal responsibility to do a rat test and stay home until negative.

no support to do so though

Getting Dan to do a presser to tell us isolation period is mandated again, is still a personal responsibility.

**** me dead we're still here, governments are providing no real support or measures to deal with covid instead pushing personal responsibilty, as in not their problem

PCR testing, having masks everywhere, government handouts for time off work, surveillance of people at home to ensure in isolation - takes the personal responsibility away. Nobody has the balls to say they want these measures back either. All we get are tweets and stats.

PCR testing should be free and easily available for everyone, as should RATs
paid sick leave should be available for everyone
free masks should be available and handed out

but beyond all of that the personal responsibility crowd are really just saying they don't want to be inconvenienced at all for other people to be able to go out

so its basically a big **** you to anyone old or immunocompromised, disabled etc anyone at risk from this is on their own

 

[burge13]

Yeah personal responsibility is really just code for * everyone who isn't me

It really isnt. You can wear a mask if you want. You can stay home if you want. You can diet to get healthier, exercise, or not and expect governmenthelp. You can save for your retirement but people would prefer government help

Personal responsibility is disappearing in this day and age as everyone wants daddy government to save them. Be a bloody adult and look after yourself. When did this become taboo ffs?!

 

[Gough]

It really isnt. You can wear a mask if you want. You can stay home if you want. You can diet to get healthier, exercise, or not and expect governmenthelp. You can save for your retirement but people would prefer government help

Personal responsibility is disappearing in this day and age as everyone wants daddy government to save them. Be a bloody adult and look after yourself. When did this become taboo ffs?!

How can you say personal responsibility is disappearing when compared to forty years ago there's far less government support and services available? You just sound like a whining boomer.

 

[Gralin]

It really isnt. You can wear a mask if you want. You can stay home if you want. You can diet to get healthier, exercise, or not and expect governmenthelp. You can save for your retirement but people would prefer government help

Personal responsibility is disappearing in this day and age as everyone wants daddy government to save them. Be a bloody adult and look after yourself. When did this become taboo ffs?!

I know you're missing the point on purpose.

When it comes to public health measures, you know things that impact everyone, personal responsibility doesn't cut it because your actions don't just affect you personally.

We have blood alcohol limits because driving drunk doesn't just risk your own life.

If we had no road laws the personal responsibility crowd would be like don't drink or speed if you don't want to, nobody is making you, knowing full well that it doesn't make driving safe.

 

[adogsfan5]

as a society pretty much yeah

no support to do so though

* me dead we're still here, governments are providing no real support or measures to deal with covid instead pushing personal responsibilty, as in not their problem

PCR testing should be free and easily available for everyone, as should RATs
paid sick leave should be available for everyone
free masks should be available and handed out

but beyond all of that the personal responsibility crowd are really just saying they don't want to be inconvenienced at all for other people to be able to go out

so its basically a big * you to anyone old or immunocompromised, disabled etc anyone at risk from this is on their own

That’s a very big general blanket being thrown over the public. Not everyone in the “personal responsibility” crowd goes out when sick and doesn’t bother to test. Generalising isn’t going to help.

 

[burge13]

I know you're missing the point on purpose.

When it comes to public health measures, you know things that impact everyone, personal responsibility doesn't cut it because your actions don't just affect you personally.

We have blood alcohol limits because driving drunk doesn't just risk your own life.

If we had no road laws the personal responsibility crowd would be like don't drink or speed if you don't want to, nobody is making you, knowing full well that it doesn't make driving safe.

This simply isnt those things. The pros dont outweigh the risks with those things. Life cannot stop because a handful of people are more fearful than the rest of us

Cost of living sky rocketing as a result of the money printer and you want more?! Laughable.

Healthy people dont need their business affected more because some cant wrap their heads around the fact we can and are treating this no different to the flu now. This isn't calling it the flu but hospitals are treating them the same, and rightly so (i work in one). You're still hysterical like its 2020 but the world has rightly moved beyond it. Personal responsibility is absolutely fine. If you want a mask or to not go outside, no one is stopping you. The rest of the world doesnt need to be handcuffed to suit your hysteria. Thankfully theyre not

Free PCR? Why? And at what cost?
Free masks, why? And at what cost?
Sick leave still despite people rorting it or using all of theirs already will cripple business

Thank god you dont run anything major. Would have dire consequences

 

[Gralin]

That’s a very big general blanket being thrown over the public. Not everyone in the “personal responsibility” crowd goes out when sick and doesn’t bother to test. Generalising isn’t going to help.

yeah sorry but if you're running with its up to people to keep themselves safe in a pandemic i'm going to put you in the generally selfish basket

This simply isnt those things. The pros dont outweigh the risks with those things. Life cannot stop because a handful of people are more fearful than the rest of us

man you've been banging on about living in fear for 3 years while more and more people die, like at any point do you think that maybe you're wrong and the doctors are right?

hospitals still make everyone mask up funnily enough

Cost of living sky rocketing as a result of the money printer and you want more?! Laughable.

I'd like the government to turn off the tap to fossil fuel companies, not go ahead with the stage 3 tax cuts, and use the billions of dollars both of those things would add into the budget to fix welfare and our health system

Healthy people dont need their business affected more because some cant wrap their heads around the fact we can and are treating this no different to the flu now. This isn't calling it the flu but hospitals are treating them the same, and rightly so (i work in one). You're still hysterical like its 2020 but the world has rightly moved beyond it. Personal responsibility is absolutely fine. If you want a mask or to not go outside, no one is stopping you. The rest of the world doesnt need to be handcuffed to suit your hysteria. Thankfully theyre not

fear, hysteria, same old same old, you're just a selfish arseh*le, own it

Free PCR? Why? And at what cost?

because its more accurate than RATs

Free masks, why? And at what cost?

because it would be better than what we're doing now which is having people everywhere walk around coughing in crowds

Sick leave still despite people rorting it or using all of theirs already will cripple business

you've obviously not met me if you think I give a shit about the cost to business or government or the odd person taking a sick day without being sick vs forcing people that are actually sick to work

Thank god you dont run anything major. Would have dire consequences

if you're a capitalist yeah it would

 

[Gralin]

but again we're really getting off topic into general covid/government response so apologies, Andrews response to covid is currently no different to any other state government or the feds as far as I can tell

so I'll leave it there

 

[TheArchitect]

Free masks wouldn't change the number of people wearing a mask. Anyone who wants to wear one, does.

The only measure that I would understand if it was reverted is the 7 day isolation period.

I don't understand why we think we are so special that we need a whole bunch more covid rules when the rest of the world doesn't seem to think so.

 

[fs88]

The only measure that I would understand if it was reverted is the 7 day isolation period.

Falls into the same category of 'anyone who wants to isolate, does'. I had a senior manager at work who had covid symptoms but had a negative rat test so she said she would be fine in the office lol.

It is essentially every man for themselves unfortunately as it would be impossible to properly police the majority of the population who don't care for anyone else apart from themselves. Even when there were mask mandates on the train in Melb, barely 20% of people on the train were wearing them which would've been impossible for the PTV officers to fine the other 80%.

I don't understand why we think we are so special that we need a whole bunch more covid rules when the rest of the world doesn't seem to think so.

I don't thing comparing us to the rest of the world is an accurate metric as most care even less about their own countrymen as much as we do.

 

[fs88]

This simply isnt those things. The pros dont outweigh the risks with those things. Life cannot stop because a handful of people are more fearful than the rest of us

Cost of living sky rocketing as a result of the money printer and you want more?! Laughable.

Healthy people dont need their business affected more because some cant wrap their heads around the fact we can and are treating this no different to the flu now. This isn't calling it the flu but hospitals are treating them the same, and rightly so (i work in one). You're still hysterical like its 2020 but the world has rightly moved beyond it. Personal responsibility is absolutely fine. If you want a mask or to not go outside, no one is stopping you. The rest of the world doesnt need to be handcuffed to suit your hysteria. Thankfully theyre not

Free PCR? Why? And at what cost?
Free masks, why? And at what cost?
Sick leave still despite people rorting it or using all of theirs already will cripple business

Thank god you dont run anything major. Would have dire consequences

You kept obsessing about Vic lockdowns whilst SA was free and open and this is your favourite thread. Just cut the crap and move to Victoria already we know SA sucks.

 

[Chief]

I don't understand why we think we are so special that we need a whole bunch more covid rules when the rest of the world doesn't seem to think so.

Because of all the deaths? Just throwing it out there.

 

[adogsfan5]

Falls into the same category of 'anyone who wants to isolate, does'. I had a senior manager at work who had covid symptoms but had a negative rat test so she said she would be fine in the office lol.

It is essentially every man for themselves unfortunately as it would be impossible to properly police the majority of the population who don't care for anyone else apart from themselves. Even when there were mask mandates on the train in Melb, barely 20% of people on the train were wearing them which would've been impossible for the PTV officers to fine the other 80%.




I don't thing comparing us to the rest of the world is an accurate metric as most care even less about their own countrymen as much as we do.

So if someone doesn't stay home from work after completing a negative RAT test, you are now considered as selfish?

Nobody will have any leave left if we stayed home every time we had a cold, and were waiting for the RAT test to turn positive.

 

[Chief]

So if someone doesn't stay home from work after completing a negative RAT test, you are now considered as selfish?

She was sick. She risked passing on whatever she had to other people.

Covid or not, it's selfish.

 

[Chief]

Nobody will have any leave left if we stayed home every time we had a cold, and were waiting for the RAT test to turn positive.

Maybe people need more leave?

 

[adogsfan5]

She was sick. She risked passing on whatever she had to other people.

Covid or not, it's selfish.

It’s almost as if nobody ever went to work with a cold before covid came along.

 

[adogsfan5]

Maybe people need more leave?

I’ll let those in power organise that one. I’m sure money still grows on trees somewhere.

 

[Chief]

It’s almost as if nobody ever went to work with a cold before covid came along.

Yeah, and they passed it on to their co-workers. Who would then need to take leave. Who might pass it on to their elderly relatives.

It's ALWAYS been a selfish thing to do. Wherever I have worked, the management have discouraged people going to work sick.

 

[adogsfan5]

Yeah, and they passed it on to their co-workers. Who would then need to take leave. Who might pass it on to their elderly relatives.

It's ALWAYS been a selfish thing to do. Wherever I have worked, the management have discouraged people going to work sick.

In theory yes.

 

[FRUMPY]

Is there that many other posters who are also banned from the Covid thread?