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Judgment time on the uncontracted players

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Now i know there are a few threads floating around with people having their say on who we should delist and who we should keep but i thought i would put some time into giving a slightly more comprehensive look at the uncontracted players who would seem to be in danger of finding themselves playing somewhere else or not at all.
First up i have left Lee and Johns off this list as they have contracts for next year so it is unlikely we will delsit them and pay out their contracts even tough we have done it with a small number of players in the past.Of course they could be looked at in trades although i couldnt see Lee having much currency in trades.
Have also left JJ off as he also is contracted for next year and unless he feels he will retire he will be on our list next season.
I wont go into Hirdy in depth as we all know how good he is and it is 99% likely that he will retire.
Going in number order.

Mark Johnson Has suffered badly this year with his lack of pace an inabilitiy to hold the faster / younger small forwards out of the game. Has spent a lot of the year trailing along three meters behind these blokes and has been burnt a few times. He has provided some good work in the midfield at times but they have been cameo roles at best. He wasnt too bad last night against the Dogs but over all he looks too slow. He has been fantastic for the club over the years but he is struggling to produce close to what he has been able to in the past. He would be on my list to go.

Ricky Dyson Hasnt really lived up to the wraps a lot of us put on him after seeing early glimpes of his skill and run. Is often indecisive and gets caught away from the contest way too often. There has been numerous complaints that he doesnt get enough game time but more times than not he hasnt demanded enough game time. Doesnt look like he can be a player that can take a game on and break it open when he gets on the ground. His career is at the cross roads and what he does in the next 3 or 4 weeks will go a long way to deciding his future. If he can produce more efforts like last nights game against the Dogs he may save himself. At the moment he is in the grey area for me.Given the lack of midfield depth in this draft he may get lucky.

Damien Peverill Hard choice here. On the one hand you have the hard running player who tries hard and gets a good number of stats. On the other hand you have the players who often cant hit targets and doesnt know how to sheppherd. On his ball winning ability he stays.On his gut running he stays. However is it time to cut loose players who simply lack the skills to take us any further than being a side that can finish in the 6th to 12th region of the ladder. He has earnt his palce on the list this year simply becasue we havet had anyone who is ready to replace him and is currently in the side for the same reason. Next year is another story. Personally i think it is time to move on from Pev.

Andrew LovettHe isnt really under the pump to hold his spot but a bit more consistant output would be nice. Would be nice to see a few more efforts and less dummy spits when things dont go right.

Courtney Dempsey Has had a horror year with injury and the few times he has made it onto the ground he hasnt done much for Bendigo. Has probably got enough credits to survive for another year.

Kepler Bradley The new whipping boy. Has clearly been a major disapointment after some early promise. Cant play defence. Has not got the composure or confidence under pressure to play there. The big question is by sending him to the slaughter last year have we stuffed him completly at senior level ? As funny as it sounds i dont think he has gome backwards from last year despite him only playing two games and having a shocker againt the Pies. He was bloody awful last season but has played some good footy with Bendigo at CHF this year. Can he transfer his forward form to the seniors ? On the few occasions he has played forward in the seniors he has played well but there hasnt been much time spent there. The question that has to be asked is do we keep him on the list as a forward and let him waite for a spot to open up or do we let him go? Im still sitting on the fence.

Scott Camperealle Hasnt been able to get a good run at senior footy becasue of injury and i have been very critical at his total lack of offence a lot of the time. There is no doubt he is classy in attack but in saying that injuries look to be affecting his pace even more making it harder for him to dominate games. For me the fact that he seems to developed an injury prone streak suggest that he may not be able to meet the roles that we need him to fill. Wouldnt be in my future plans.

Mark Bolton Much has been said already so i dont think more needs to be said other than to say we simply dont get enough output from him week in and week out to justify his spot on the list.

Chris Heffernan Seems to have lost all his offensive side at AFL level. When he isnt playing well his skills are poor and simply doesnt get enough of the footy even when he is doing a good stopping job. His VFL form has been very patchy. Even in his good games for Bendigo he has had problems with his skills at times.Just doesnt seem up to it any more.

Richard Cole Well Cole stuffed up last year with his total lack of effort leading into last years pre season and he paid for it in the end. This year he has worked hard but he is still looking like a lost cause. Let the pressure get to him a few weeks ago with his little Tassie debacle. If his disposal was any good he could make a dangerous running half back but it is simply not and we cant afford to carry players with poor foot skills any more.

Jay Neagle Another year and once again hardly any footy and more injuries. Is probably safe at this stage but would want to get on the park a bit next year.

Sam Lonergan Has really had some problems with niggling injures this year. Has performed consistanly when he has played for Bendigo but hasnt put together a real dominant game like a lot of the other young mids have managed to do at stages. Doesnt appear to be catching the coaching staffs eye which is a problem. IMO he has something to offer but the lack of reults over the last two years could have cost him. Could be that we delist him and look at him as a rookie or redraft him after seeing what talent or lack off is available late in the draft.

Lovett-Murray Injury has killed his output this year but has done enough in the past to keep him on the list.

I didnt make comment on Ryder who is also out of contract as it is a no brainer that we would want to sign him.
 
Nice work ant. I think you are spot on with most players although I would definately keep Bradley as I think he does have a position in the seniors playing at CHF or as a forward flanker he just needs to be given some decent game time in these positions.
 
I think you'll find Dempsey might be contracted or at least, nearly contracted ;)

I honestly couldnt see him going anywhere as i know the footy department really rate him.:)
 

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Pev seems a similar player to Kirk (good at winning the contested footy, but cannot dispose of it very well) yet Pev is always bagged and Kirk is hailed as a great player. Why is this the case? I am not arguing that Pev is better than Kirk, he clearly is not, but am just curious as to why Kirk and not Pev avoids criticism.
 
From that list I'd have no hesitation in delisting Heff, Bolton and Cole. None of them have shown they can produce consistent footy at the top level and all have had plenty of opportunities (inc. Cole at you know who) and show little sign of improvement if any at all.

I'd make the tough decision on Pev too. It might hurt us a little in the short term but giving his midfield time to guys like Hislop, Houli, Hocking, Lonergan, Slattery etc will make us better in the long run.

Campo brings something to the side but I agree his injuries are really hurting his value and I can't see him staying if a new coach comes in. Might be 40/60 if Sheeds stays. I'd just about keep him if he accepts a reduced salary as we'd need experienced midfield depth with Pev and Heff going. Like windyhill has said he needs a good pre season.

Lovett-Murray and Lovett I'd keep. Their pace is what we need and they should be just about in their prime next season.

Longy knows what he's talking about so Dempsey staying is a given.

As for Dyson and Lonergan a lot might rest on the remainder of the season. Dyson is showing some good signs and we know he can play the game from form in past years. I think he'll do enough to stay.

Lonergan I'm not sure about. Came with some good wraps and has performed well at Bendigo but still can't crack it for the seniors. Needs to get back on track at Bendigo and finish the season strongly there. I'd keep him.

Neagle was a bit of a project pick and it would be a waste to give up on him now. Keep him.

Bradley - I like what I saw in the VFL yesterday and from all reports that's been typical of his form since going forward. Only problem for him is that we are pretty stocked up forward for talls. I still think he could turn out to be quite good so I'd keep him. Definately wouldn't delist.

MJ hasn't been as bad as some have made out IMO. Nowhere near his B&F form but has been pretty solid. Has struggled against the quicker players but it must be acknowledged we do concede a lot of inside 50's and often those are from players who have enough time to hit a bloke lace out. In his favour is he can play decent footy in the midfield and forward. I'd definately keep him, though perhaps a 1 year contract might be wise.

In summary that equals 5 guys going off the list when you include Hird. We're a chance to promote 2 rookies (hocking and rama). I'm guessing we'll want to take more than 3 in both drafts so perhaps 1 more to go. Who knows how trades will affect that though.
 
Pev seems a similar player to Kirk (good at winning the contested footy, but cannot dispose of it very well) yet Pev is always bagged and Kirk is hailed as a great player. Why is this the case? I am not arguing that Pev is better than Kirk, he clearly is not, but am just curious as to why Kirk and not Pev avoids criticism.

Kirk plays to his limitations. Gets the footy in close and dishes it off. Doesn't think he's Adam Goodes and play as a receiver where his skills would be shown up.
 
Mark Johnson -on thin ice -has been ok recently - but must be on the chopping block
Ricky Dyson - had a better game but needs to do a lot more to keep his spot on the list
Damien Peverill -much like Mark Johnson - although Pev has his purpose in the middle as a runwith player
Andrew Lovett-keep -but he would want to start shwoing something else he could have a smaller contract
Courtney Dempsey -keep no brainer
Kepler Bradley -have to keep - too much energy and time has been put into him to throw away just yet - looks like he could become a roaming HF
Scott Camporeale-injuries are taking their toll - retirement most likely
Mark Bolton -should be gone - 2 games a year doesn't cut it - would expect he would find a new home nonetheless
Chris Heffernan -gone - pity as I thought he had a lot more talent
Richard Cole -gone
Jay Neagle -have to keep - young athletic with a few injuries - nothing new
Sam Lonergan-tough one - always seems to be around the mark but is never picked - maybe rookied - might hold his spot
Lovett-Murray-no brainer keep.
 
Nice well thought post hard to see Sheedy wanting to lose 2 tough nuts in pev and MJ at once but otherwise i think your on the money.
 

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Lovett=tradebait.

i personally think lovett has been pretty good this year, played quite a bit on the ball which is his first year doing so.. And everyone knows we need the midfeild speed, i would be very annoyed if we traded him, his personality is worrying at times but he is still very young and will develop into a great player for us imo..
 
i personally think lovett has been pretty good this year, played quite a bit on the ball which is his first year doing so.. And everyone knows we need the midfeild speed, i would be very annoyed if we traded him, his personality is worrying at times but he is still very young and will develop into a great player for us imo..

He refused to chase his opponant McMahon on saturday night and was benched for not doing so. That is Andrew's problem every noiw and then he couldnt be arsed to do the hard defensive work. And with alwyn injured we need him using his speed defensively more than ever.
 
I would trade McPhee, too many cheap kicks and his disposal is poor.

He get's cheap kicks by running off his opponent because he know's Fletcher will save his ass if he fails and if he gets the cheap ball its more effective to the team than 2 blokes spoiling it over the boundary line in the defensive 50. His disposal is actually amongst the best we have IMO. I would much rather the ball in his hands than a few others atleast he's attacking and creative most of the time.
 


He get's cheap kicks by running off his opponent because he know's Fletcher will save his ass if he fails and if he gets the cheap ball its more effective to the team than 2 blokes spoiling it over the boundary line in the defensive 50. His disposal is actually amongst the best we have IMO. I would much rather the ball in his hands than a few others atleast he's attacking and creative most of the time.

Where did all this crap about trading McPhee come from ??? (Not from you of course)

Every week it seems there's a new whipping boy.

FFS, we're one game out of the 8 with a very good chance of winning 4 from our next 7 which will get us a spot in the 8.

Its lucky that our players show a bit more heart than some of our supporters.
 
I think it's been a majority of the new blokes wanting to trade everyone whos had more than 2 years on the list and a couple of wiser heads who realise McPhee is one of the few blokes who has trade value.
 

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McPhee has value.

We need to trade for a pure midfielder. I say shop him around and see what we can get.

As for the uncontracted :

Dempsey - no brainer
NLM - no brainer
Neagle - no brainer
Lovett - no brainer

Pev - Keep. No guarantee that JJ will be fit next year so them two can fight for the one spot.

Bradley - Keep or if any good offers come in then look to trade.
Lonergan - Keep or rookie list.

MJ - ??? Nash, Slatts, NLM, McVeigh, Welsh have him covered. Needs to be reinvented as a forward. I wouldn't be too fussed if he was gone.

Bolton, Heff, Campo, Dyson, Cole - First 3 should be gone. I'm one for giving Cole another chance. I think it's up to the club to get him right both mentally and physically. If he's not right than the club should expect some of the blame. Dyson could be saved by a weak draft and our complete lack of pace. I don't think he's up to it but I can see how he might get another year.
 
I think we have to be realistic-

Lovett- at best a late 2nd rounder
McPhee- early 2nd round
Bradley- 2nd/3rd round

I would really like to pick up a first rounder somewhere. No idea who I would trade to get it though.
 
Yes.. but also to other clubs.

If we could get a midfielder for him than we'd be a better team.

What if we could do a deal for someone like Brent Reilly from Adelaide?

Then Adelaide would have well and truly bent us over.

bombersno1 said:
Lovett- at best a late 2nd rounder
I just picked a random draft (2003) which was moderate to weak with not much depth similar to this years (apparantly).
Picks 28-32 - late 2nd Round
Jay Nash, Tim Scmidt, Brad Symes, Josh kreuger and Brayden Shaw.
Now ask yourself would you trade Andrew Lovett for any of these players because that is the type of player you will probably get.
bombersno1 said:
McPhee- early 2nd round
Picks 17 - 21 same draft.
Billy Morrison, Llane Spandermann, David Mundy, Sam Butler, Alex Gilmour.
You'd trade McPhee for any of those ?
bombersno1 said:
Bradley- 2nd/3rd round
And here's where the logic really disappears. Kepler was a no 6 pick and now he is worth pick 30 or something.

Yet you're advocating trading Lovett and McPhee for draft picks when you can already see that their not worth it.
 
Then Adelaide would have well and truly bent us over.


I just picked a random draft (2003) which was moderate to weak with not much depth similar to this years (apparantly).
Picks 28-32 - late 2nd Round
Jay Nash, Tim Scmidt, Brad Symes, Josh kreuger and Brayden Shaw.
Now ask yourself would you trade Andrew Lovett for any of these players because that is the type of player you will probably get.

Picks 17 - 21 same draft.
Billy Morrison, Llane Spandermann, David Mundy, Sam Butler, Alex Gilmour.
You'd trade McPhee for any of those ?

And here's where the logic really disappears. Kepler was a no 6 pick and now he is worth pick 30 or something.

Yet you're advocating trading Lovett and McPhee for draft picks when you can already see that their not worth it.


Very well put (I actually heard this draft was deeper with fewer standouts but everyone else thinks its a poor draft). Why would we want to trade away some of our most prolific players for 2nd round picks in a poor draft? Why trade for a midfielder when we just drafted 5 last year? Why get rid of a utility when you can get rid of a one jobber?
 

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