Speculation Liam Baker

[Jeremias]

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

YoU DoNt UnDErsTanNd HoW TraDInG WoRkS!1

Also you all missed out one on the bingo card

- Baker has given great service. It would be poor form and poor culture to not let him go wherever he wants cheaply. It could cause a rift in the playing group

 

[Obeanie1]

They would be for us if everyone is available.

Ok.

Happy to see how that pans out.

Who are these emerging tall forwards and 2nd rucks ATM?

The ones you need to peak in 3 to 4 years time when the old fellas retire?

And tall defenders?

 

[tiger_tough]

Also you all missed out one on the bingo card

- Baker has given great service. It would be poor form and poor culture to not let him go wherever he wants cheaply. It could cause a rift in the playing group

That is absolute garbage. It would be terrible list management to let players go cheaply just because they have given good service. Plus it would have absolutely zero effect on the playing group.

Ok.

Happy to see how that pans out.

Who are these emerging tall forwards and 2nd rucks ATM?

The ones you need to peak in 3 to 4 years time when the old fellas retire?

And tall defenders?

Balta is our 2nd ruck, Samson Ryan is next in line and I suspect we'll draft a ruckman next week or at the end of the year.
We never talked tall defenders but Miller, Young, Gibcus and Grimes currently.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

That is absolute garbage. It would be terrible list management to let players go cheaply just because they have given good service. Plus it would have absolutely zero effect on the playing group.

Balta is our 2nd ruck, Samson Ryan is next in line and I suspect we'll draft a ruckman next week or at the end of the year.
We never talked tall defenders but Miller, Young, Gibcus and Grimes currently.

Nah Tigers just heartless and cruel. A 2nd rounder and accepting it would just prove Tigers have a strong culture of togetherness. If they want a 1st rounder it just shows they hate Liam Baker as a human and treat the players as movable slaves without any souls

2nd rounder and have a club culuture vs 1st rounder and having no club culture or soul

I know which one im taking

 

[Obeanie1]

That is absolute garbage. It would be terrible list management to let players go cheaply just because they have given good service. Plus it would have absolutely zero effect on the playing group.

Balta is our 2nd ruck, Samson Ryan is next in line and I suspect we'll draft a ruckman next week or at the end of the year.
We never talked tall defenders but Miller, Young, Gibcus and Grimes currently.

So Grimes won't be around in 3 years.

Miller has been a slow burn and relatively unproven.

Gibus just did an ACL.

Balta is a solid role playing tall who could improve.

Ryan don't know much about.

Young forwards?

That isn't a long list of young tall talent.

 

[tiger_tough]

So Grimes won't be around in 3 years.

Miller has been a slow burn and relatively unproven.

Gibus just did an ACL.

Balta is a solid role playing tall who could improve.

Ryan don't know much about.

Young forwards?

That isn't a long list of young tall talent.

We need young talent everywhere, hence the need for draft picks. Anyway, this isn't a Richmond list management thread.

 

[Tugga27]

That's fair, so we can argue Allen is potentially elite, but he isn't there yet. Fair?

I'd prefer to just talk about the Baker trade TBH.

 

[Obeanie1]

We need young talent everywhere, hence the need for draft picks. Anyway, this isn't a Richmond list management thread.

You said the Tigers don't need young talls to be involved in the Baker trade.

Eagles look like having surplus talls to help get a deal done for Baker.

Now you just said the opposite.

 

[Morro]

I'd prefer to just talk about the Baker trade TBH.

In fairness, the chat about WC talls was to a point on topic, but yes agree.

 

[tiger_tough]

You said the Tigers don't need young talls to be involved in the Baker trade.

Eagles look like having surplus talls to help get a deal done for Baker.

Now you just said the opposite.

I said we don't need a 2nd ruck and already have a bloke playing Maric's role. You don't trade one of your best players and vice-captain for fringe players.

 

[Obeanie1]

I said we don't need a 2nd ruck and already have a bloke playing Maric's role. You don't trade one of your best players and vice-captain for fringe players.

2nd rounder plus a developing young tall likely gets it done.

That's the point.

 

[tiger_tough]

2nd rounder plus a developing young tall likely gets it done.

That's the point.

No, it doesn't.

 

[Morro]

2nd rounder plus a developing young tall likely gets it done.

That's the point.

Sadly, it probably does IMO, if we deem that young tall to be better than what we have and or fills a need.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

I would've thought that a guy that can kick more than 50 goals in a year is elite.

Allen is 100% elite. If he played for Richmond the Richmond supporters here would have his trade value at 10 first rounders.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

That's fair, so we can argue Allen is potentially elite, but he isn't there yet. Fair?

No. He's elite.

 

[Morro]

No. He's elite.

No. He's not.

 

[Hawks_4478]

No. He's not.

Yes, he is.

 

[Obeanie1]

This thread summed up.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I said we don't need a 2nd ruck and already have a bloke playing Maric's role. You don't trade one of your best players and vice-captain for fringe players.

I dont think a club in the history of AFL has needed a 2nd ruck more then your lot. It wont be any from us but blimey

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Think Richmond supporters are severely under rating WC talent. Bailey Williams is whatever, nice player but not really valuable.

Maric and a 2nd would be nice for Richmond IMO. Maric has shown glimpses but is no sure thing. WC aren't going to let him go anyway so it's a moot point.

Allen if not everyone's definition of "elite" is a very good AFL talent and could lead any AFL forwardline if not injured half the time. **** knows how Waterman is playing like he is but he's basically the best forward in the comp the last month, no one is getting a game ahead of that. The original point before we started debating terms is pretty fair.

Even with playing better, the trade still makes no sense for WC to me because either way, they are giving up young talent (draft picks or players) for a 27 year old and as incredible as Reid is, there are still plenty of holes and players to replace before the group does anything meaningful. As Xavier Ellis

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[tiger_tough]

I dont think a club in the history of AFL has needed a 2nd ruck more then your lot. It wont be any from us but blimey

What? We have Balta in the side who is a prototype 2nd ruck? And Samson Ryan in the reserves.

We need a backup 1st ruck now that Naismith is cooked.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What? We have Balta in the side who is a prototype 2nd ruck? And Samson Ryan in the reserves.

We need a backup 1st ruck now that Naismith is cooked.

Balta is a waste in that role, just as much as Oscar Allen was. Samson Ryan in the reserves is a bit of a issue in the fact he is still in the reserves

Id say you just need 1 more that is a best 22 100% of the time and give Ryan some time

 

[Farang83150]

I said we don't need a 2nd ruck and already have a bloke playing Maric's role. You don't trade one of your best players and vice-captain for fringe players.

You said you might be drafting a ruck next week

 

[THE_GUN]

Gaffs looking to continue his career....

For Gaff we can offer you McIntosh

another eagles supporter

 

[THE_GUN]

Also you all missed out one on the bingo card

- Baker has given great service. It would be poor form and poor culture to not let him go wherever he wants cheaply. It could cause a rift in the playing group

We will let him go with our blessing so it doesnt cause issues with the playing group as we have done in the past

But we will only if well compensated


Get ready to pay the price