Mid Year List Decisions

[rand corp]

So its half-way through the year and its time to decide who is in the gun, who needs a big second half to the year and who is 'gone for all money'. Say we have to cut around 5 or more players, who is praying to the football gods at the end of their bed every night for a miracle.

I expect Wakes to retire. Burns might or, he might go round for one more year.

Dutchy and Lonie look gone with chronic injuries.

Iles must be on shaky ground

Ego's looking wobbly

Toovey, Stanners and Cook are only coming along slowly

Ant is nearing the end, will he go round once more?

Cox is only in year one on the senior list but will he be given more time?

Will the McGaff be elevated or let go?

Will Presti get another year out of his battered body?

Your thoughts, ruminations and meditations appreciated

 

[Snag Breac]

So its half-way through the year and its time to decide who is in the gun, who needs a big second half to the year and who is 'gone for all money'. Say we have to cut around 5 or more players, who is praying to the football gods at the end of their bed every night for a miracle.

I expect Wakes to retire. Burns might or, he might go round for one more year. 1 more year for Burns. Wakes might be off the save the earth.

Dutchy and Lonie look gone with chronic injuries. Yes, done.

Iles must be on shaky ground Can't comment.

Ego's looking wobbly Depends on what he shows next time he gets a game.

Toovey, Stanners and Cook are only coming along slowly They'll keep Tooves and Stanley.

Ant is nearing the end, will he go round once more? Yes, ankle permitting.

Cox is only in year one on the senior list but will he be given more time? Is going home.

Will the McGaff be elevated or let go? He'll get a chance to prove himself soon.

Will Presti get another year out of his battered body? He'll try anyway.

Your thoughts, ruminations and meditations appreciated

Warning: all of the above responses are purely speculative, and based on nothing - except about Rocca.

 

[smiddaz123]

I would much rather see MacAffer given a chance on the senior list that someone like Lonie wasting away in his place. I have no doubt that he should be promoted.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think Wakes will retire, and I can't see Holland or Lonie back next year. I'm keeping fingers crossed that Burns and Rocca play on, and obviously Presti's decision will hinge on how he returns from his injury.

There are a number of younger players in the gun, but I think we're aware of who they are by now.

 

[bennymac1]

I would much rather see MacAffer given a chance on the senior list that someone like Lonie wasting away in his place. I have no doubt that he should be promoted.

who is likely to be promoted to the big list....? am reading this boy brent macaffer playing good consisent stuff for the 2's as well as sam iles and who is likey to go of the list....? traded ect ect..?

 

[shawthing09]

My thoughts are we will want to promote Welly and McCaffer (depending on if he gets a go in the ones this year and how he fares) aswell as Reed as a freebie in the draft. We then have three compulsory draft picks so thats a minimum of 6 spots. If we were to go after Cuz in the pre season hypothetically that would be 7 spots.

Burns and Rocca will go round for one last season, presti too

Wakelin gone,

Dutchy Lonie gone

The way the other three pan out will be very intresting, The thing is even if someone like Egan was traded for a third round pick I'd probably like to see us use that pick too which would mean that trade wouldn't free up a list possie.


Players like Toovey, Cox, Iles, Cook, Stanley and Egan will all be in the firing line

 

[Invigoration]

Warning: all of the above responses are purely speculative, and based on nothing - except about Rocca.

I'm gathering you're basing the Cox 'going home' comment on that remark that was overheard at training a few weeks back?

I would hardly say that is indicative of where he will be next year.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

pretty much agree with the OP, except isles shouldnt be on shaky ground

isles, toovey, stanley, cook, - persist with these guys. we need tough inside mids and they guys might develop into them

dyas, maccaffer, mccarthy, anthony - have been promising and even if they dont get to debut this year (or another call up for anthony), should be kept.

cox - the club should keep him. not sure where his heart is though, same with egan though the club shouldnt keep egan

lonie, holland - should be their last year. its harsh to say it, but i just dont feel anything for these guys anymore and hate to think they are stopping someone elses development, ie coming off a rookie list

wakes, burns, presti, rocca - another year for these guys

 

[smiddaz123]

who is likely to be promoted to the big list....? am reading this boy brent macaffer playing good consisent stuff for the 2's as well as sam iles and who is likey to go of the list....? traded ect ect..?

MacAffer has to be promoted if we want to keep him. A player can only spend 2 years at most on a rookie list before they are either promoted or delisted. Wellingham is also in the same situation but you'd imagine he's a certainty to get promoted.

 

[Bloben]

IIRC this years draft is supposed to be very deep in talent so if that is the case this year may be the year for a bit of a clean out. We may want to pick up 5 kids plus bring up Wellingham so that would mean a minimum of 6 to delist/retire.

Wakelin
Burns/Presti?
Holland
Lonie

Still need two more out of the younger guys that haven't kicked on. The best thing to do would be to try and get rid of some and upgrade a pick even if it is by only one or two.

 

[Bloben]

Also Burns and Rocca are on the veterans list. IF Burns retires, is there anyone else who can go on the list, if not we are pretty much losing a spot on our list albeit gaining a rookie spot.

 

[Pedro]

Presti would just about qualify for the vets list wouldn't he?

 

[Nardz]

lockyer, johnson, davis, and shaw aren't too far from being eligible for the veterans list. burns and rocca are veterans outside the 38 whereas presti is inside the 38, so presti can become outside the 38 so to speak.

 

[shawthing09]

pretty much agree with the OP, except isles shouldnt be on shaky ground

isles, toovey, stanley, cook, - persist with these guys. we need tough inside mids and they guys might develop into them

dyas, maccaffer, mccarthy, anthony - have been promising and even if they dont get to debut this year (or another call up for anthony), should be kept.

cox - the club should keep him. not sure where his heart is though, same with egan though the club shouldnt keep egan

lonie, holland - should be their last year. its harsh to say it, but i just dont feel anything for these guys anymore and hate to think they are stopping someone elses development, ie coming off a rookie list

wakes, burns, presti, rocca - another year for these guys

That's all good and well in theory but I really can't see a way around making the tough calls on at least two of the younger guys who haven't progressed as fast as we may have hoped.

Toovey, Stanley and Cook have all struggled in their times in the ones. Iles struggles to break into the side which may be a sign that he is gonig to be Ben Davies MKII. Cox has not shown anything at AFL level IMO, even though he looks good at times his flaws are so bad and so far spread that he would struggle to hold down any position on the ground.

 

[Nardz]

That's all good and well in theory but I really can't see a way around making the tough calls on at least two of the younger guys who haven't progressed as fast as we may have hoped.

Toovey, Stanley and Cook have all struggled in their times in the ones. Iles struggles to break into the side which may be a sign that he is gonig to be Ben Davies MKII. Cox has not shown anything at AFL level IMO, even though he looks good at times his flaws are so bad and so far spread that he would struggle to hold down any position on the ground.

how has cook struggled? i think he's looked good and would like to see him get more game time.

Toovey you have to give some credit. Was good against the bulldogs.

Stanley's only had one or 3 games - would like to see him play some more before making a decision.

 

[Coin_Toss]

Iles is safe. I don't think he's been given an opportunity because he's not there to fill a position. He's being groomed. If I recall correctly, Mick said he will play 100 games for the club when he was drafted. Now I know he said the same about Tom Davidson, but that was when he was on his way back from a knee reco and he wasn't the same after that.

I have a feeling Rocca may retire. His body will decide that.

 

[ksardog]

whoever gets the boot somehow we have to get warnock in the deal or deals, wants to come back to victoria and this would sure up our ruck stocks for the next ten years.with wood and warnock leading the rucks thats one problem all collingwood supporters would like to be resolved, its been far too long.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Anthony, John KEEP
Barham, Jaxson KEEP
Brown, Nathan KEEP
Bryan, Chris KEEP
Burns, Scott KEEP, if he wants to play on
Casey-Leigh, Luke KEEP
Clarke, Martin KEEP
Cloke, Travis KEEP
Cook, Ryan KEEP, still only 20yo. worth another year
Cox, Shannon KEEP
Davis, Leon KEEP
Dawes, Chris KEEP
Dick, Brad KEEP
Didak, Alan KEEP
Dyas, Kevin KEEP
Egan, Christopher TRADE or KEEP
Fraser, Josh TRADE or KEEP
Goldsack, Tyson KEEP
Holland, Brodie TRADE or DELIST
Iles, Sam TRADE or KEEP
Johnson, Ben TRADE or KEEP
Lockyer, Tarkyn KEEP
Lonie, Ryan TRADE or DELIST
Macaffer, Brent PROMOTE
Maxwell, Nick TRADE or KEEP
McCarthy, John KEEP
Medhurst, Paul KEEP
O'Bree, Shane KEEP
O'Brien, Heritier KEEP
Pendlebury, Scott KEEP
Prestigiacomo, Simon RETIRE or KEEP
Reid, Ben KEEP
Rocca, Anthony RETIRE or KEEP
Rusling, Sean KEEP
Shaw, Heath KEEP
Shaw, Rhyce KEEP
Stanley, Danny TRADE or KEEP
Swan, Dane KEEP
Thomas, Dale KEEP
Thoolen, Tobias KEEP
Toovey, Alan DELIST or TRADE
Wakelin, Shane RETIRE
Wellingham, Sharrod PROMOTE
Wood, Cameron KEEP

Obviously the likelihood of trading the ones above is slim, but you have to try. We simply cannot carry players on the list that are past it or not good enough. We have to keep drafting smartly and look for good trades.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So its half-way through the year and its time to decide who is in the gun, who needs a big second half to the year and who is 'gone for all money'. Say we have to cut around 5 or more players, who is praying to the football gods at the end of their bed every night for a miracle.

I expect Wakes to retire. Burns might or, he might go round for one more year.

Dutchy and Lonie look gone with chronic injuries.

Iles must be on shaky ground

Ego's looking wobbly

Toovey, Stanners and Cook are only coming along slowly

Ant is nearing the end, will he go round once more?

Cox is only in year one on the senior list but will he be given more time?

Will the McGaff be elevated or let go?

Will Presti get another year out of his battered body?

Your thoughts, ruminations and meditations appreciated

Pretty old territory - this topic's been well covered. The only certainty is that Wellingham will be promoted.

We'll have anywhere between 4 and 6 senior players retire, and 1-3 younger players delisted/traded, and possibly two rookie promotions, leaving us with about 5 or 6 draft picks in November.

 

[Chase the Ace]

That's ^ 11 you have to trade or delist.

Not as long as both our arses point to the ground

 

[Lestat]

Rhyce Shaw would have to be looked at. Granted he gets the ball, but its what he does with it that is hurting us. Shocking disposal.

Ben Johnson is also in the same boat. We cannot afford to have players who get the ball 20 odd times, only to kick it over/at the feet/to the opposition time and time again.

These turnovers kill us. If you play close attention, opposition teams get minimum 5 goals a game directly from our turn overs. We need to weed them out, and that means replacing these two players with guys that can kick.

It doesn't matter how often you get the ball, its what you do with it that counts. And Rhyce Shaw/Ben Johnson turn it over far to much.

I've said before and I'll say it again, its not a coincidence that we did so well in the last finals series with these two blokes out.

Of course Ben Johnston won't get delisted, but I believe Rhyce Shaw should seriously be looked at. His disposal (especially under pressure) aint ever gonna get better.

O'Bree is in the same boat (I'm sick of seeing him handball to players feet), however, he at least gives us something we don't have (in and under skills).

Shaw could easily be replaced with Cook (run with role) and from what I've seen, even though Cook might not get as much of the ball, he is a far better kick. I'd rather Cook get the ball 10 times and turn it over twice, as opposed to Shaw getting 20 times and turning it over 8 of times.

 

[shawthing09]

Rhyce Shaw would have to be looked at. Granted he gets the ball, but its what he does with it that is hurting us. Shocking disposal.

Ben Johnson is also in the same boat. We cannot afford to have players who get the ball 20 odd times, only to kick it over/at the feet/to the opposition time and time again.

These turnovers kill us. If you play close attention, opposition teams get minimum 5 goals a game directly from our turn overs. We need to weed them out, and that means replacing these two players with guys that can kick.

It doesn't matter how often you get the ball, its what you do with it that counts. And Rhyce Shaw/Ben Johnson turn it over far to much.

I've said before and I'll say it again, its not a coincidence that we did so well in the last finals series with these two blokes out.

Of course Ben Johnston won't get delisted, but I believe Rhyce Shaw should seriously be looked at. His disposal (especially under pressure) aint ever gonna get better.

O'Bree is in the same boat (I'm sick of seeing him handball to players feet), however, he at least gives us something we don't have (in and under skills).

Shaw could easily be replaced with Cook (run with role) and from what I've seen, even though Cook might not get as much of the ball, he is a far better kick. I'd rather Cook get the ball 10 times and turn it over twice, as opposed to Shaw getting 20 times and turning it over 8 of times.

Your off your tree Rhyce's field kicking has been ok this year, cook has looked out of his depth in every game his played bar essendon when the team dominated

O'Bree is unloseable especially with Burns getting older

Johnson, his disposal is actually better when not delievering into the foward 50 should be kept in the backline imo.

 

[Lestat]

Your off your tree Rhyce's field kicking has been ok this year, cook has looked out of his depth in every game his played bar essendon when the team dominated

O'Bree is unloseable especially with Burns getting older

Johnson, his disposal is actually better when not delievering into the foward 50 should be kept in the backline imo.

Your kidding aren't you. Did you watch the game on the weekend? Rhyce Shaw's field kicking has been attrocious. From what I've seen Cook is a far better field kick.

Agreed that O'Bree is unlosable...which reflects the unfortunate state of our list at the moment (in and under mids).

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Your off your tree Rhyce's field kicking has been ok this year

He's just about the longest kick in our team, too, once you add in the metres travelled when he carries the ball!!!!!

 

[Lestat]

He's just about the longest kick in our team, too, once you add in the metres travelled when he carries the ball!!!!!

Its just a shame that more often then not its to the oppositions advantage.