Nick Daicos

[OniAu]

Yeah, he is also born on January 3rd, meaning he missed the cut-off for the 2020 draft by 3 days. Combined with the extra development he's had from the "grooming" he is almost a 3rd year player.

Look, don't get me wrong, he's going to be a really good player for Collingwood and likely a top 15 player in the comp at the least for the next 10-15 years. That's a great outcome, but when you look at the Brownlow medalists of the last 12 years:

Cripps (195cm/ 93kg)
Wines (190cm/ 99kg)
Neale (178cm 84kg) - biggest legs in Australia
Fyfe (192cm/ 94kg)
Mitchell (182cm/ 83kg)
Martin (187cm/ 93kg)
Dangerfield (189cm/ 97kg)
Priddis (185cm/ 86kg)
Ablett (182cm/ 87kg)
Watson (191cm/ 93kg)
Swan (185cm/ 93kg)
Judd (189cm/ 88kg)

That's a mean of 187cm/ 91kg, Little Nick is 184cm/ 79kg, and before you say he can put on 10kg, it's just not as simple as that.

He simply doesn't have the frame or physiology to be carrying around a large amount of weight.

Only Tom Mitchell bucked the trend of being a 'non-burly-boy', but in his first 2 seasons 45% of his disposals were contested. Only 27% of Daicos' disposals are contested. To me this suggests that his impact will be much more easily thwarted if teams choose to put some work into him, as well as the fact that he quite simply just doesn't align with what the meta is for a long-term superstar match winner of the competition.

His comparison is Zach Merrett (but better), which is a tremendous player, but that type of player is not ever going to be an Ablett, Petracca, Oliver type of player.

I remember when Rowell debuted, and he was on a heater, and people were saying "this is the next Judd".

It was like how?

He's a midget with no speed, average kick, how do you see the attributes he has making him play to the level of a superstar long-term.

His honey-moon period wore off, and he reverted back to his mean - which is Brad Sewell on steroids.

That is quite possibly the worst post ive seen on Bigfooty in a very long time

 

[BM123]

"But he's not perfect" is such an insane complaint to make about anybody let alone a 2nd year player. BF just generates the most repetitive/bitchy responses whenever people want to be salty about another clubs player popping off. Hell it's almost tradition here to be bitchy about any player that is good enough to cause your side grief. Smooth brain "he makes me feel bad so he must be bad" Koala tier rationalisation.

 

[Fadge]

That is quite possibly the worst post ive seen on Bigfooty in a very long time

I like how he came back and told everyone he'd updated it with his comment about Rowell, as if that was a clincher...

 

[OniAu]

Doesn't that support my view about possessions in isolation, being a garbage stat?

It's instantly 10% wrong, as you've pointed out. And that doesn't even include the 1-2 from kick outs which fudge that stat even further.

It's just a nonsense stat that in isolation does not tell us anything in terms of a players' quality and impact on games.


I think you've supported my argument quite well.

What stats actually peak your interest to a player being impactful ?

Ask Daicos what stats he is most after in a game. Think youll find its a W and anything he can do to help that and he is satisfied. Likewise the team.

As per his fathers advice. "As long as you're pleasing yourself and the club, they're the only two things you need to focus on.' "

He doesnt have to please the keyboard smashing , cheeto eating couch potatoes who want him to be "contested" and to not "get cheapies"

Its like asking Jeremy Cameron to not kick goals and get more outside the forward 50 and get marks down field. Who would be stupid enough to suggest that when his bread and butter is kicking goals. Likewise Daicos , when his bread and butter is disposing the ball at a high efficiency to the benefit of the team

 

[BM123]

Yes he did. Hard to believe it was 20 years ago! Game has changed a lot since then. Nick doesn't have the breakaway speed Judd displays in this video. Judd was one touch, electric and noticeable. Even left Brereton speechless!

Different players, Nick is more silky and seems to be everywhere because he anticipates where the ball will be a half second before everyone else. Very smart footballer.

Nicks strengths should keep him in the game for much longer than Judd's. Judd's peak was absurd but the wear and tear especially at Carlton caused him to really fall off before he should've. Teams bashed around Judd to heck with his athleticism/strength but Nick's got more tools to work with than that.

 

[OniAu]

Yeah he needs a rest. Its easy to forget he's 18 and he's been smashed around a bit in our backline.

Definitely been beat up more than Daicos was. And for most of that time he's taken the hits and done well.

He'd never played on the backline before the last practice game this season, he's a forward and maybe he'll play midfield. He went into the middle in the last quarter of one game and had 15 touches. Many of them contested, under pressure and resulted in clearances.

I dunno which of these kids is better but I'm definitely biased toward Sheeze the way you lot are toward Daicos. Its only natural that we do that so don't take it as an insult. Hopefully we get to argue about which one is best for the next decade while they each push each other to become better players. At least then we'll see some s**t hot footy.

Hilarious. Judgement of a player is now about how well they take hits. Cool

"Great game Sheezel, you got no kicks. But you took those hits well"

 

[biggiemediums]

Imagine having the most posts contributed in a thread about Nick Daicos and almost every single one of those posts is garbage.

 

[OniAu]

Nicks strengths should keep him in the game for much longer than Judd's. Judd's peak was absurd but the wear and tear especially at Carlton caused him to really fall off before he should've. Teams bashed around Judd to * with his athleticism/strength but Nick's got more tools to work with than that.

Love the classic line Judd had when played the eagles after moving to Carlton. Could be incorrect with this

Nikovski on Judds shoulder strapping " you still wearing that $#@! on your shoulders? "

Judd " Need it from carrying you blokes"

 

[BM123]

What stats actually peak your interest to a player being impactful ?

Ask Daicos what stats he is most after in a game. Think youll find its a W and anything he can do to help that and he is satisfied. Likewise the team.

As per his fathers advice. "As long as you're pleasing yourself and the club, they're the only two things you need to focus on.' "

He doesnt have to please the keyboard smashing , cheeto eating couch potatoes who want him to be "contested" and to not "get cheapies"

Its like asking Jeremy Cameron to not kick goals and get more outside the forward 50 and get marks down field. Who would be stupid enough to suggest that when his bread and butter is kicking goals. Likewise Daicos , when his bread and butter is disposing the ball at a high efficiency to the benefit of the team

People use all kind of stats to justify arguing in bad faith. He's the first in coaches vote by 12 points so he's got a BOG game to spare on 2nd place. Coaches basically saying "this guy did everything I didn't want him to do against us" on a consistent basis is a good way to verify how good he is.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Nah Ashcroft is about that

Ashcroft could use a few chicken buckets too

I'd guess Ashcroft will settle at 82kg and Daicos 84kg in 2-3 years

 

[Fat Jesus]

I didn't rate Dane Swan all that much.

Buckley and Pendlebury however, were/are extraordinarily good footballers.

Shows how much you know about football. Thanks.

Swanny was elite

 

[Gavin Excell]

Who are the Crowleys and De Boers of today’s game and who have these taggers done a hard tag on successfully?

Correct
They don't exist.

 

[Gavin Excell]

It will be intriguing as the year plays out what measures rival clubs take to counter his influence and their success or otherwise.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Hes a phenom. Absolutely a top 5 player in the comp and evidence 1A of why we should scrap father sons and academies.

 

[Fat Jesus]

What are most of you watching. Nick rotates from HBF to midfield.
Spends lots of time on ball.
FFS

 

[Apex36]

yes I am. call it 33.

Pathetic

 

[Apex36]

Why isn’t he being played as an on baller yet????

Needs another 6kgs. Expect him to move on ball permanently next year with another preseason under the belt.

 

[ScragCity]

Very over rated player. Teams will figure him out. Once they put a bit of attention into him he'll come back to the pack. Rhylee West

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will be a better player in the long term.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Very over rated player. Teams will figure him out. Once they put a bit of attention into him he'll come back to the pack. Rhylee West will be a better player in the long term.

Stick to watching netball. Seems your ceiling for sport.

 

[Apex36]

Very over rated player. Teams will figure him out. Once they put a bit of attention into him he'll come back to the pack. Rhylee West will be a better player in the long term.

Man come on, you need to be more subtle with your trolling. Bitch about something insignificant, don’t go full r*****.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Pies fans can't spot obvious trolls and piss takes and are just responding vigorously to EVERYONE even remotely claiming that he's not better than god himself.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Man come on, you need to be more subtle with your trolling. Bitch about something insignificant, don’t go full r*****.

You would think it was obvious but I don't think everyone is as clued on as yourself.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Pies fans can't spot obvious trolls and piss takes and are just responding vigorously to EVERYONE even remotely claiming that he's not better than god himself.

It's our right to respond. This is a forum yanno.
Right now he is the best in the competition. Enjoy

 

[g_TRAIN]

It's our right to respond. This is a forum yanno.
Right now he is the best in the competition. Enjoy

Sure is your right. It's just hilarious because why? It's not like these people believe what they are saying they're just stirring the pot.

 

[ferball]

Hilarious. Judgement of a player is now about how well they take hits. Cool

"Great game Sheezel, you got no kicks. But you took those hits well"

Wow. You're an idiot.