No Preseason at all

[Free Agent]

Eagles Last in AFL
Eagles Last in Wafl

This would indicate as a club whole we have come into this season with a huge lack of preseason. We are in record territory for losses and this season is going down as our worst season in history.

Our Strength and Conditioning team should be shown the door and never to return you useless sack of pathetic people. You have one job and that is to get our players fit and able to withstand the rigors of AFL. You are a disgrace. Fire them and fired them all now. I'm absolutely filthy. Sack these useless people already. Wipe them out now and hire new staff now. They are not players and we don't have to wait till end of season. Fitness staff are dime a dozen replaceable. Our Strength and Conditioning Staff don't deserve to see out the season. Grow some F**king Balls Eagles. Take some responsibility and make accountable those that have done the club wrong. This isn't just serious. This is records we are in now. I now want to see sackings of staff. I'm going to send an email. Brought shame on the club. Beyond embarrassing. I want a turnover of staff now. F them. They sent us down this big pile of garbage right now. Time to throw them to the garbage.

Hire some new fitness staff. It isn't that hard. We can't go on and have the same useless pathetic strength and conditioning staff as last year. They have already proved they are incapable for the position.

And supporters. Please stop turning up to games. It's not doing anything except showing those incapable useless excuses in management that it's ok to be complacent. Had enough.

 

[Marlin01]

Strong sentiments indeed.

 

[ziad]

I absolutely agree we need better staff - but all athletes take personal responsibility as well. This gos to management and leadership setting and maintaining standards as well. No professional in an endurance based sport should be fat to start with.

Eagles Last in AFL
Eagles Last in Wafl

This would indicate as a club whole we have come into this season with a huge lack of preseason. We are in record territory for losses and this season is going down as our worst season in history.

Our Strength and Conditioning team should be shown the door and never to return you useless sack of pathetic people. You have one job and that is to get our players fit and able to withstand the rigors of AFL. You are a disgrace. Fire them and fired them all now. I'm absolutely filthy. Sack these useless people already. Wipe them out now and hire new staff now. They are not players and we don't have to wait till end of season. Fitness staff are dime a dozen replaceable. Our Strength and Conditioning Staff don't deserve to see out the season. Grow some F**king Balls Eagles. Take some responsibility and make accountable those that have done the club wrong. This isn't just serious. This is records we are in now. I now want to see sackings of staff. I'm going to send an email. Brought shame on the club. Beyond embarrassing. I want a turnover of staff now. F them. They sent us down this big pile of garbage right now. Time to throw them to the garbage.

Hire some new fitness staff. It isn't that hard. We can't go on and have the same useless pathetic strength and conditioning staff as last year. They have already proved they are incapable for the position.

And supporters. Please stop turning up to games. It's not doing anything except showing those incapable useless excuses in management that it's ok to be complacent. Had enough.

 

[Free Agent]

I absolutely agree we need better staff - but all athletes take personal responsibility as well. This gos to management and leadership setting and maintaining standards as well. No professional in an endurance based sport should be fat to start with.

Yeah but being a player on your own it's hard to figure out the fitness and strength required on a elite level without professional help due to elite standards it's near impossible to do it on your own. These players should be on elite fitness programs that are tracked tested with constant monitoring. Not only skin folds but endurance testing. A few 3 km trials throughout. Gym and nutrition. Everything is involved at a elite level.

I honestly think none of these were monitored this pre season. Very complacent staff for this to happen. Our players are so far behind the eight ball. Out muscled at every contest and a complete lack of endurance. The amount of times I seen our players standing waiting and not even jogging this season is disgraceful. We simply can't compete because we have no strength at the contest and no endurance to run with opposition players.

It's 100% on our strength and conditioning this season. We are done before round 1 and it's continued because we are so far behind. Can't build muscle strength over night. It takes a complete pre season to build that. I want sackings now of our football staff. There is no second chance. They are done. Time for some new opportunities and hirings of staff that know what they are doing. A bunch of amateurs we have for strength and conditioning. They should take the blame 100%.


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[18082015]

Personally I want nothing less than a royal commission into the WCE preseason

Ok maybe thats going a bit far

But in all seriousness I agree with the sentiments and we need to internally investigate what went wrong and invest in some top of the line S+C staff

I’m buoyed by the fact that the last quarter and a half of the game yesterday was our best period and Adelaide were supposed to have Darren Burgess as their head performance guru if I’m not mistaken ? Someone may need to fact check this for me

 

[bzparkes]

Wipe them out now and hire new staff now. They are not players and we don't have to wait till end of season. Fitness staff are dime a dozen replaceable. Our Strength and Conditioning Staff don't deserve to see out the season.

There's.
A.
Soft.
Cap.


Please do a modicum of research before posting your melts in future people.

 

[bzparkes]

I’m buoyed by the fact that the last quarter and a half of the game yesterday was our best period and Adelaide were supposed to have Darren Burgess as their head performance guru if I’m not mistaken ? Someone may need to fact check this for me

Yes, that's correct.

Wanted to go to Port originally but that fell through so he went to Adelaide.

 

[Cuzz09]

So the fact we can at least try in second halves is great

Now to try for 4 quarters and see how we go

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[southcoast]

There's.
A.
Soft.
Cap.


Please do a modicum of research before posting your melts in future people.

Fully agree that something ain’t right with off field preparations.

Maybe balancing soft cap with existing contracts and jobs for the boys means the balance and personnel ain’t quite right. Looks like it for the grandstand and/or lounge chair.

 

[bzparkes]

Fully agree that something ain’t right with off field preparations.

Maybe balancing soft cap with existing contracts and jobs for the boys means the balance and personnel ain’t quite right. Looks like it for the grandstand and/or lounge chair.

Reading Caro's article give insight into under-resourced the off-field side of clubs is. Quite shocking actually.

Obviously WCE haven't dealt with it well at all but it was a bit of an eye-opener.

A review definitely required, I agree. Unfortunately, due to the soft cap restrictions, it's not an issue that is simply solvable by throwing money at it.

 

[Seadog]

WC are not the only one's embarrassing themselves.

 

[ioppolo]

So the fact we can at least try in second halves is great

Now to try for 4 quarters and see how we go

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We haven't done that since 2018.

 

[WCE_phil]

The only people who would be willing to accept the pay our current S & C and medical staff are would be first years out of university. That is how badly they are being underpaid and overworked. The ones left are literally there out of love for the club.

The other thing it seems to have shown is that when you combine travel with any other major squad issue it = complete uncompetitiveness.

 

[Free Agent]

All I want is a review or at least the club stating that there will be a review of our football department.

Right now they haven't done anything. This isn't just bad this season. This is the worst and possible the worst ever team performance not only in the Eagles history but in AFL in general. We are right up there with Fitzroy before they merged in terms of poor performance.

If that doesn't get a review of our whole football department across the board what does. It's pathetic. I'm not only filthy I want answers and I want answers now. Hell I will go out with signs if I have too at Eagle head quarters.

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[timeforanother22]

going over the soft cap just means we have to pay extra $$ to the AFL doesn’t it? So pay the extra! I am all for getting the best staff we can.

It doesn’t stop there though. The coaching staff must set the standards, if players don’t do the required work, they don’t get a game. No matter who they are.

Some players have been picking and choosing what they do out on the training field and it shows. The coach has let them get away with it. You can’t be everyone’s friend when you are in charge, Simpson needs to deal with this.

 

[Balls In]

Not to excuse our own culpability but the soft cap is football socialism gone nuts. It's contributed to one of the biggest draw cards in Australian sport having completely broken down physically. Meanwhile record low attendance with basket case teams filling out the top 6.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

So if our off field is so underfunded then why are other clubs doing ok?

 

[The wily weagle]

I don't disagree with what's being said, but given how much the club seems to operate under the "old mates act" and the high value on stability, I can unfortunately see our entire fitness and medical team being retained for next season

 

[WCErevival]

So if our off field is so underfunded then why are other clubs doing ok?

Coaches are paid less. No travel costs.

 

[ziad]

Not to excuse our own culpability but the soft cap is football socialism gone nuts. It's contributed to one of the biggest draw cards in Australian sport having completely broken down physically. Meanwhile record low attendance with basket case teams filling out the top 6.

That is socialism

So if our off field is so underfunded then why are other clubs doing ok?

The avoided the GLOBAL pandemic? More winging - the issue is the staff are not good enough.

 

[timeforanother22]

That is socialism

The avoided the GLOBAL pandemic? More winging - the issue is the staff are not good enough.

agree the staff are not good enough, however we have three teams to fund AFL, AFLW and WAFL.

We also travel 10 times a year and live on the opposite side of the country to the majority of the competition.

In the past this wasn’t an issue to attracting good staff as you could just throw more money at them. We don’t have that pull now.

clubs have to pay the AFL 75% of what they spend over the cap. That’s a lot even to WCE, especially when your team is s**t and crowds are down.

 

[Dylan82]

Agreed, it certainly appears (particularly among the senior group) that:

• players have been given far too much latitude with their physical preparation, and;
• players have been able to get away with cutting corners with condition activities over a sustained period

Which has resulted in a significant drop in fitness standards that has noticeably impacted results since the bye last year, but has considerably worsened in 2022.

As mentioned the team appears like minimal preseason has been conducted at all - with the outcomes unfortunately manifesting as could be expected in performance on-field.


As for culpability, without question it lies with each of the playing, coaching and conditioning groups - all three require a comprehensive cleanout.

The injury record (especially the recurrent incidence of lower leg injuries and OP) of the club over recent seasons is sufficient evidence alone to prompt that comprehensive change is required on the conditioning front - the complete lack of fitness throughout the squad this year only underscores the magnitude of the problem.


As for the soft cap, it's time we throw our weight around and show the competition what we really think of it.

F**k the $6.5M soft cap. The club made a profit of over $7M last year alone. The club could increase football department spending to $10M, pay the 75% tax and still be profitable.

Get out to the market, start actively recruiting experts in their field and pay them what they are worth. Back room expenditure is an investment that results in front room success. Seems the club has forgotten that (among many things) of late.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

This is the worst and possible the worst ever team performance not only in the Eagles history but in AFL in general.

Strewth!!

 

[Tugga27]

Coaches are paid less. No travel costs.

Travel costs?
Pretty sure that's paid by the AFL.

 

[WCErevival]

'The Eagles, which other clubs say have fought hardest for a significant soft cap increase, argued they travel at least 10 times every season, costing the club considerably more than a Victorian side that may only leave the state three or four times per season'

That was posted in an article last year suggesting that we are paying for some of it. The AFL allows "travel costs" outside the cap but it may not cover everything. Like its possibly flights only. Someone else may know the specifics.