Port Adelaide [VS] Kangaroos - DISCUSSION THREAD

[Ford Fairlane]

After watching both games this weekend, I have come to the conclusion that the premiership will be won by the side that shepherds best and does dinky handpasses to players in trouble the least.

Get the ball, run with it, and don't dispose until you actually are made to. Not handpass 2 metres and consider yourself devoid of responsibility for what happens next, as both sides did tonight with regularity.

If we play as well as we have for the last four or five weeks, we'll win.

What was the running bounce count last week for us against WCE? 43 - 7? If we stick to that part of the gameplan that's part of your criteria fulfilled.

 

[Portia]

Running bounce is fancy, but shepherds are what counts, because shepherds means that a man is removed from the play, whereas a bounce just means no-one is on the man.

And the important part about shepherds is that ALL players need to lay them when necessary.

 

[BWST]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Motlop is ready to wreck havoc on them

I'm actually quite very happy. The best result for us..........but no more said. !!

 

[BWST]

Re: Kangas V Power.

We still have to win a hard Prelim.

Last time i sat at Aami, in a Prelim..........we just got over the line against the Saints.

Rest was History.

 

[Total Power]

Re: Kangas V Power.

we will win, boomark it.My friend is a tarot card reader

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Running bounce is fancy, but shepherds are what counts, because shepherds means that a man is removed from the play, whereas a bounce just means no-one is on the man.

And the important part about shepherds is that ALL players need to lay them when necessary.

Sure, without doubt, but I was really responding to one part of your assessment ... which we probably did do against WCE.

Get the ball, run with it, and don't dispose until you actually are made to.

At the risk of offending the fanboys p) your handball comment pretty much precludes Thomson from being picked.

 

[Power King]

I for one and happy it's the Roo's.

Our recent history against them in finals is a nice healthy win.

Kanga's were always going to win this week after stopping after the first quarter last week, whilst the Hawks slugged it out at the dome over the Crows.

I think pound for pound we are a better side and playing as a team the equal of all others, therefore 5 goal + win. Jones is a bogey man and he's gone, Harvey should be reported for striking and miss at least a week, even if the commentators choose to ignore the golden boy's violence

A day/Twightlight game also plays into our hands with our skills and pace.

So all in all boys stay swithced on and we will be there.

cheers

I dont think harvey will miss a week. from what i saw on the replay, he just pushed someone on their throat. probably a free kick at most in my eyes

 

[Tas]

I have a lot of respect for Port, a great club and you have done a fantastic job building up the list with a lot of promising young kids. I think Port will win, given who we have available for the game, I just hope for a great contest. While I hope we can pull off an unlikely victory, Port is one side that I wouldn't mind seeing get through if we are not good enough.

We were hot favourite for the spoon this year and were unbackable favourites to not have a coach by the end of this year. To make the top four and win a final this year has been a massive achievement for us and am pretty happy with what we have achieved. I think it will be a good spirited contest between two teams happy with where they are heading and may the best team move on and hopefully the winner of our goes all the way.

 

[Port01]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Hawthorn are more likely to beat us through sheer arse, if we lose to the roos it is just that we weren't good enough on the night.

 

[Power King]

^Yep, even if the kangaroos win this match, i would go for them over cats/pies in the final.

i used to enjoy watching the roos in the 90's. carey, pickett and martyn were 3 of my favourite players.

the roos shouldn't be underestimated though. all teams have their misfortunes come finals, eg. inexperience, injuries etc., but one thing is for sure. any team that makes a prelim, deserves to be there, and port and the roos definitely deserve our spot in the final 4.

 

[Ported]

I thought the game tonight was of a pretty poor standard, but i thought the same of the Saints v Swans knockout final in 2004 too. Should be a great contest.

 

[Tas]

I thought the game tonight was of a pretty poor standard, but i thought the same of the Saints v Swans knockout final in 2004 too. Should be a great contest.

It wasn't a highly skillful game but there was a lot of pressure, a lot of physical pressure. Those games tend to also see fatigue hit pretty early and the standard tends to drop off a bit.

It was what we needed to do, we beat the Hawks a few weeks ago doing the same thing and just stop the free-flowing game, in a shoot-out we would have got creamed as our forward line is out injured.

 

[Tas]

Re: Kangas V Power.

I don't think the past matters much, both teams have changed a fair bit even from last year with the injection of talented young players. It was nice to have the wood over someone for a while but it is a new era.

 

[Predator.]

Re: Kangas V Power.

All bullshit aside the Kangas are undoubtedly a danger for us, with our young squad and the associated ups and downs.

IF we come to the game suitably prepared by Choco (all pumped up and raring to give it all for the jumper), we will be ok.

 

[ctpower]

k cornes = harvey
pettigrew = shannon grant
cassisi = daniel wells
wilson = aron edwards

I'm quite happy to let shaun burgoyne or chad cornes go head to head with simpson.
I'm not happy to allow the kangaroos to play 1 or 2 players loose in defence as they did last night. THIS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. We struggle to find a way around that tactic as wce showed last week.
Getting off to great start is also important although i expect the kangaroos will hang in there with us all night.

 

[PJ Power]

k cornes = harvey
pettigrew = shannon grant
cassisi = daniel wells
wilson = aron edwards

I'm quite happy to let shaun burgoyne or chad cornes go head to head with simpson.
I'm not happy to allow the kangaroos to play 1 or 2 players loose in defence as they did last night. THIS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. We struggle to find a way around that tactic as wce showed last week.
Getting off to great start is also important although i expect the kangaroos will hang in there with us all night.

Don't think it will match up like this, except for the Cornes-Harvey duel. Based on the round 2 game, I doubt Choco will risk playing Cassisi on Harvey who almost singlehandedly got the Roos over the line against us.

Harris is the Roos' second most influential midfielder and I think Dom is better suited to playing on him and trying to beat him at the 50-50s, which is one of Dom's strengths. Effectively have Dom playing the same role he has been for over a month - in the coal-face trying to extract the ball for us - just so happens it will be against one of the best extractors in the game.

Simpson will possibly go head to head with Chad. Rawlings will get either of the Burgoynes, probably Shaun. Sinclair may get Peter as a defensive HFF option.

Up forward, I'd give Wilbur the job on Grant. Wilbur might be getting old and a bit slower, but the best result we've had on Grant in a match was in the '05final when Monty did pretty well on him, and I didn't back Monty to have the legspeed to go with him that day either.

Edwards played pretty well against us earlier in the year - I remember him taking a bucketload of marks that probably didn't result in much although he kicked one or two late to get them back in the contest. Grew probably has the necessary pace to keep him honest on the lead. We need a defender on him who won't easily give up 2-3m the way that Toby tends to.

Chappy would still get first look at Jones should he play, with the lessons learnt from round 2. Corey Jones has hurt us the second most behind Harvey in recent times.

Up forward they have two good matchups for Ebert and Motlop, in Firrito and Gibson. It probably leaves them one tallish matchup short for Westhoff/Tredrea, but they'll find someone - maybe Archer will need to play on an opponent this week. Motlop's psychology is going to be one of the more interesting components of this match. When Byron played for us against the Roos, it gave us an enormous advantage. Can't say it did the same for us in round 1 2006 when Mots debuted for the Power. Hopefully he has his thick, tough skin on for this game and not the other one that he sheds when the pressure gets intense.

Agree entirely with others who have suggested that one percenters and in particular shepherds and tackles that stick will be important. Now that the Roos have made it, I'd definitely play Logan over Thomson or Gray. We need someone pretty selfless to keep some pressure on their defence.



And Ford, you know you're in the Thommilf fan club - just admit it.

 

[PJ Power]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Anyone who underestimates the Kangas needs to have his/her head read.

Round 1 2002 - overwhelming favourite - loss at home.
Round 1 2006 - favourite, start the game on fire - substantial loss at home.
Later in 2006 - both sides near bottom on ladder - loss again!
Mid-late in 2005 - Manuka, whopping lead at halftime, loss!

People will point to our recent record being pretty good against them (not super, but better at least than it was), but we have only beaten them once in games where Choppy hasn't been playing for us. Even in round 2 this year, we made ridiculously hard work of it.

If Jones is out, it is a huge bonus for us. I heard last night, he is likely to play though.

Harvey is along with Bartel, the player who has destroyed us more than any other. Kane will need to be at his absolute best against him. Kane Cornes holds the key to this game - make no mistake.

 

[Quadzilla]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Harvey is along with Bartel, the player who has destroyed us more than any other. Kane will need to be at his absolute best against him. Kane Cornes holds the key to this game - make no mistake.

Agree...Kane's match-up is important.

 

[raman]

I guess the good thing about playing NM is that it cuts out the "we've had a week off and they haven't" complacency factor. If there's one team we're never going to turn our back on, it's them.

 

[Capital Power]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Mid-late in 2005 - Manuka, whopping lead at halftime, loss!

Boy, and doesn't that still hurt, in my own backyard....

(On the plus side it was Danyle Pearce's first game, and look how far he's come since then).

I don't think any coach or player will be underestimating our opponents this week.

 

[Power 4 Flag]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Anyone who underestimates the Kangas needs to have his/her head read.

Round 1 2002 - overwhelming favourite - loss at home.
Round 1 2006 - favourite, start the game on fire - substantial loss at home.
Later in 2006 - both sides near bottom on ladder - loss again!
Mid-late in 2005 - Manuka, whopping lead at halftime, loss!

People will point to our recent record being pretty good against them (not super, but better at least than it was), but we have only beaten them once in games where Choppy hasn't been playing for us. Even in round 2 this year, we made ridiculously hard work of it.

If Jones is out, it is a huge bonus for us. I heard last night, he is likely to play though.

Harvey is along with Bartel, the player who has destroyed us more than any other. Kane will need to be at his absolute best against him. Kane Cornes holds the key to this game - make no mistake.

He is in for surgery so it is absolutely 100% guaranteed his season is officially over. He will not be playing against us this Saturday.

 

[mark73]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Anyone who underestimates the Kangas needs to have his/her head read.

Round 1 2002 - overwhelming favourite - loss at home.
Round 1 2006 - favourite, start the game on fire - substantial loss at home.
Later in 2006 - both sides near bottom on ladder - loss again!
Mid-late in 2005 - Manuka, whopping lead at halftime, loss!

People will point to our recent record being pretty good against them (not super, but better at least than it was), but we have only beaten them once in games where Choppy hasn't been playing for us. Even in round 2 this year, we made ridiculously hard work of it.

If Jones is out, it is a huge bonus for us. I heard last night, he is likely to play though.

Harvey is along with Bartel, the player who has destroyed us more than any other. Kane will need to be at his absolute best against him. Kane Cornes holds the key to this game - make no mistake.

I couldn't see that. Appears to have stress fractures and monday after the Geelong game couldn't walk (without crutches). Edwards picked up Jones' role last night, but he's still a major loss. In a lot of respects is probably the barometer of our side.

 

[ctpower]

Harris is the Roos' second most influential midfielder and I think Dom is better suited to playing on him and trying to beat him at the 50-50s, which is one of Dom's strengths. Effectively have Dom playing the same role he has been for over a month - in the coal-face trying to extract the ball for us - just so happens it will be against one of the best extractors in the game.

Simpson will possibly go head to head with Chad. Rawlings will get either of the Burgoynes, probably Shaun. Sinclair may get Peter as a defensive HFF option.


yeah thats a good call actually pj power. i like dom in the middle trying to win 50-50s.

 

[Choc4Life]

Agreed that Kane goes to Harvey.

I would expect Simpson to go to Chad, and would like to see Dom go to Harris.

Pettigrew to Grant , Thurstans to Petrie, and Chaplin to Edwards down back.

I think Wells is the toughest match-up for us through the middle and am not sure how Choc will match up on him as our 2 best taggers will likely take Harvey and Harris. An outside the square idea may be for Boak or Salopek to take on the role.

Motlop and Ebert are the key players up forward. I think NM can match up on Tredders and Westhoff reasonably well, but our smaller forwards they may struggle to go with.

Through the middle I think Shaun could be the game breaker. I don't see an obvious match up for them on him, but think Sinclair may get the role.

If we get on top early I think we could win well. Otherwise expect a slugfest like the WC game.

 

[Phaze Away]

Re: Kangas V Power.

Anyone who underestimates the Kangas needs to have his/her head read.

Round 1 2002 - overwhelming favourite - loss at home.
Round 1 2006 - favourite, start the game on fire - substantial loss at home.
Later in 2006 - both sides near bottom on ladder - loss again!
Mid-late in 2005 - Manuka, whopping lead at halftime, loss!

You forgot round 8, 2004.