Preview R2: Changes v Port

[Southerntakeover]

Who were the other teams that lost Round 1?

Less than 20% of the time, it works every time!

 

[Wouldbetackler]

Lose Round 1 in a game that could've gone either way and we want to make 5 changes? Sheesh. Talk about panic stations. Calm the farm.

Agree but knight comes in as he is ready and best 18
And Hartigan or shaw to have the height in the backline

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Back 7:

B: Brown - Talia - Lever
HB: Smith - Cheney/Shaw/Hartigan - Laird - Milera

Hell, if we are keen to get some more class into the midfield we could put Smith in there and leave Shaw in his position.

 

[Wouldbetackler]

OMG... we're St Kilda



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Hearing a lot about his three goals in the media, good old "Junk Time" Charlie

I remember at three quarter time he had 3 or 4 touches to his name

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Cheney was barely on Waite mate - maybe for 1/3 of the game (and Waite kicked 1 maximum on him). Rewatch the game. The defenders rotated throughout.

I must have been watching another game as cheney appeared to be on Waite most of the time... & allowed him to get most of his goals & possessions.

Talia was on petrie most of the time, as petrie often dragged him away from the contest to take our best defender away.

 

[Tex200]

Your opponent having 20 possessions, 8 contested, 7 marks & 3 goals does not mean you had an excellent game.

It means the opposition identified you as the weak link & played through you.

Waite was damaging for the roos.

Only 3 of those marks were I50 and of those 3 only 1 resulted in a goal.

Waite roamed far and wide and the defence switched and rotated numerous times. One of his goals was from a 50m penalty, his contested mark and goal saw 4 AFC players standing and watching.

The issue here is the Cheney has become a convenient whipping boy with almost zero basis in fact.

If you are wanting to be serious about you're analysis, and I know you do, then you need to look at Talia's poor 1/1 work, Lever's lack of discipline and a pretty ordinary performance from both Laird and Brown (Harvey?)

The problem is that all 4 of those guys are BF luvvies and no one wants to call it

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I've been trying to think of the best way to restructure to get bad players out of the side and talented players in despite us having more forwards than defenders.

VB must go, so who plays in defence?

Hampton unavailable, Henderson I rate a very good wingman but a poor defender, Wigg too small.

There's 3 realistic options imo…

1) Seedsman to defence
2) A midfielder recast back into defence (CEY would be the best option)

Both good options but here's the best one (and it wasn't my original idea but when i heard it the penny dropped)

3) MILERA to defence. Has the size, tenacity, skill, decision making, run…he has it all!! The comparisons to McLeod have been made previously. He isn't ready for full time midfield (in time he will be an AA mid) and he's wasted getting low possession numbers forward when we have other good options in that half of the ground. Seriously, when I think of Milera running off the half back line I imagine serious damage to the opposition inflicted from the scoring chain created

Leaving the Hartigan debate aside for a moment the obvious 2 changes then become:

OUT: VB, Mackay
IN: Knight, Cameron

So long as milera picks up their weaker forward like neade & not guns like wingard & Gray. We have Brown & Laird for them... Yet we didn't use them to lock down Harvey!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Only 3 of those marks were I50 and of those 3 only 1 resulted in a goal.

Waite roamed far and wide and the defence switched and rotated numerous times. One of his goals was from a 50m penalty, his contested mark and goal saw 4 AFC players standing and watching.

The issue here is the Cheney has become a convenient whipping boy with almost zero basis in fact.

If you are wanting to be serious about you're analysis, and I know you do, then you need to look at Talia's poor 1/1 work, Lever's lack of discipline and a pretty ordinary performance from both Laird and Brown (Harvey?)

The problem is that all 4 of those guys are BF luvvies and no one wants to call it

I have no issue Cheney playing as a medium defender, but why does he always has goals kicked in him when he plays on tall forwards?

How many times last year did Hartigan allow his opponent to have 3 goals, 20 possessions & 7 marks?

If you don't think Waite was one of their most influential players, then I suggest you watch the replay.

I reiterate I'm ok playing Cheney, just not on tall forwards as he is just about always dominated.

Ps. Also, would like to know how we let Harvey off the leash too.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Watched the replay from the Bounce, Crouch's hip it's Waites shoulder but his elbow hits his head. That's a worry. But it was pretty soft.

Medical report should be in our favour as Waite kept playing a decent game.

 

[footy4ever]

Pav in trouble based on that schematic.

Yep. He's gawn.

 

[huludicidal]

I have no issue Cheney playing as a medium defender, but why does he always has goals kicked in him when he plays on tall forwards?

How many times last year did Hartigan allow his opponent to have 3 goals, 20 possessions & 7 marks?

If you don't think Waite was one of their most influential players, then I suggest you watch the replay.

I reiterate I'm ok playing Cheney, just not on tall forwards as he is just about always dominated.

Ps. Also, would like to know how we let Harvey off the leash too.

He was outmarked far less than Talia was.

 

[Tex200]

I have no issue Cheney playing as a medium defender, but why is he always has goals kicked in him when he plays on tall forwards?

How many times last year did Hartigan allow his opponent to have 3 goals, 20 possessions & 7 marks?

If you don't think Waite was one of their most influential players, then I suggest you watch the replay.

I reiterate I'm ok playing Cheney, just not on tall forwards as he is just about always dominated.

Happily concede how influential Waite was, but I'm not conceding it all lies at the feet of Cheney.

He was the most reliable and composed defender we had. When are we actually going to talk about;

Our stupidity in gifting 3 goals to them from 50's and the double goal, as well as the chance of a goal we lose from Crouch's stupidity

Who the hell was watching Harvey who, combined with our stupidity was responsible for 6 goals!!!

6 goals that had nothing to do with whether Hartigan was there or not

 

[Scorpus]

Waite was influential but he only kicked one goal from a mark and that was over Talia.

The others were a 50m penalty conceded by Thompson and a crumb goal from poor team defence

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We're a bit limited with our defence.

We don't have many players who can defend in the air, defend on the ground plus provide some attacking rebound. All our players are either/or defenders.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I have no issue Cheney playing as a medium defender, but why is he always has goals kicked in him when he plays on tall forwards?

How many times last year did Hartigan allow his opponent to have 3 goals, 20 possessions & 7 marks?

If you don't think Waite was one of their most influential players, then I suggest you watch the replay.

I reiterate I'm ok playing Cheney, just not on tall forwards as he is just about always dominated.

Agree.

We're all (well most of us) are banging our head against the wall. The clear solution is VB out, Hartigan in. Harto picks up a tall and Cheney picks up the resting mid. Brown and laird lock down on the specialist small forwards with laird on the lesser small forward so he can rebound.

Harto and Talia lock down the talls and lever on the lesser tall to provide rebound too. You have three pure lock down guys (Talia, Harto, brown), Cheney locks down a resting mid otherwise floats with laird and lever being the rebounding defenders. This assumes they are all in defence at the same time which isn't often the case.

I do like the idea of Milera going back. He is a good size, tackles well, chases hard and has great disposal and decision making. He would be an immediate upgrade on VB.

If we are inclined to make only one change then VB out for knight and swing Milera back. Although I also think we need a second change to bring Hartigan in. Whether that is Cheney out or Mackay doesn't bother me.

I'd keep McGovern in. Has good pace and seems to be picking up the pace of afl now. Reckon he could start to have some really good games soon.

 

[GreyCrow]

Ps. Also, would like to know how we let Harvey off the leash too.

Can anyone really hold him for all of the game? 5 minutes is all he needed

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He was outmarked far less than Talia was.

Because petrie took Talia out of the play, so they could play through our weakest link!!

 

[huludicidal]

Because petrie took Talia out of the play, so they could play through our weakest link!!

So Talia being out of the play explains why he had more marks taken on him? wouldn't you have more marks taken on you if you were in the play?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Can anyone really hold him for all of the game? 5 minutes is all he needed

Would have thought Laird would have been instructed to stay with him, but honestly not sure who was picking him up at times...

 

[earlsta]

Hampton available in 3-4 weeks time according to Burton, good signs! More pressure on performance.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He was outmarked far less than Talia was.

What? Petrie had 3 marks & 6 possessions!

Talia didn't have his best game, but was dragged out of the play.

 

[Elite Crow]

Would have thought Laird would have been instructed to stay with him, but honestly not sure who was picking him up at times...

Brown the first, the second he seemed to have no one near him and Laird the third. Both Brown and Laird were caught ball watching.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Agree.

We're all (well most of us) are banging our head against the wall. The clear solution is VB out, Hartigan in. Harto picks up a tall and Cheney picks up the resting mid. Brown and laird lock down on the specialist small forwards with laird on the lesser small forward so he can rebound.

Harto and Talia lock down the talls and lever on the lesser tall to provide rebound too. You have three pure lock down guys (Talia, Harto, brown), Cheney locks down a resting mid otherwise floats with laird and lever being the rebounding defenders. This assumes they are all in defence at the same time which isn't often the case.

I do like the idea of Milera going back. He is a good size, tackles well, chases hard and has great disposal and decision making. He would be an immediate upgrade on VB.

If we are inclined to make only one change then VB out for knight and swing Milera back. Although I also think we need a second change to bring Hartigan in. Whether that is Cheney out or Mackay doesn't bother me.

I'd keep McGovern in. Has good pace and seems to be picking up the pace of afl now. Reckon he could start to have some really good games soon.

Bloody sensible post!

Hope the coaches are reading or watching last years' 2 showdowns to understand why defensive structure is only as good as the weakest link.

 

[huludicidal]

What? Petrie had 3 marks & 6 possessions!

Talia didn't have his best game, but was dragged out of the play.

For the final time, Talia didn't play the whole game on Petrie. He was outmarkeed several times by Waite and Ben Brown. Cheney was far better in one on ones than any other defender on the night. The replay proves it.

 

[Tex200]

Because petrie took Talia out of the play, so they could play through our weakest link!!

Kane that's such a lazy and superficial analysis which belongs in 1970 football.

North didn't "play through" Cheney - just didn't happen