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I have my own thoughts on the bloke, I think he’s a racist narcissist. I’m genuinely worried about what he’s going to do when he’s on his way out. His attack on Iran recently has strengthened those fears.

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. It’s why I like him. It’s why the DNC doesn’t.


Anyway I’ll leave it to the experts,

The A to Z of things Trump should and would be impeached for,

AMAZON

Trump has personally and repeatedly instructed the Postmaster General to double shipping rates for Amazon, in an attempt to inflict billions of dollars of new costs on founder and CEO Jeff Bezos, who also owns the Washington Post. “Some administration officials,” reported the Post in May 2018, “say several of Trump’s attacks aimed at Amazon have come in response to articles in The Post that he didn’t like.”

BIGOTRY
This is a president who has referred to African countries as “shitholes;” to Mexicans as “rapists;” to neo-Nazis as “very fine people.” To be clear: bigotry, racism, and white nationalism are impeachable offenses. Ask Andrew Johnson.
CNN
In the summer of 2017, Trump personally intervened to try and block a merger between AT&T and Time Warner — in order to try and punish CNN, which is owned by Time Warner, for its unfavorable coverage of him. Per the New Yorker, Trump told aides, “I’ve been telling [then-National Economic Council Director Gary] Cohn to get this lawsuit filed and nothing’s happened! I’ve mentioned it fifty times. And nothing’s happened. I want to make sure it’s filed. I want that deal blocked!”

DEATHS
Over the past 12 months, six migrant children aged between 2 and 16 — five from Guatemala and one from El Salvador — have died in federal custody. Over the previous 10 years, not a single migrant child died in custody. Is this not impeachable? It gets worse: As BuzzFeed News reported recently, “Immigrants held in Immigration and Customs Enforcement jails around the U.S. received medical care so bad it resulted in two preventable surgeries … and contributed to four deaths.”
EMOLUMENTS
From pitching his struggling Doral resort as a venue for the next G-7 summit, to making more than 400 lucrative visits to his own properties and businesses, to having Saudi royals bail out his underperforming hotels, Trump has been violating both the domestic and foreign emolument clauses of the Constitution from day one of his moneymaking presidency. His response to such criticisms? “You people with this phony emoluments clause.”
FRAUD
The president of the United States is a fraudster. Don’t take my word for it. In November 2016, less than two weeks after he was elected, Trump settled three different fraud lawsuits related to his Trump University for $25 million. Earlier this month, as the New York Attorney General Letitia James formally announced, the president was “forced to pay $2 million for misusing charitable funds for his own political gain,” and his Trump Foundation was “shut down for its misconduct.” Trump isn’t fit to run a university or a charity, so how is he fit to run the country?
GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION
As the New York Times reported in October 2018, the General Services Administration, which manages real estate for the federal government, had planned to turn the FBI’s headquarters in Washington, D.C. “over to a commercial developer” — until, that is, the president intervened to veto the sale. As a group of Democratic lawmakers pointed out, Trump was “‘dead opposed’ to the government selling the property, which would have allowed commercial developers to compete directly with the Trump Hotel” only a block away. Is this not worthy of further investigation and, possibly, impeachment?
HUSH MONEY
We know that Trump’s former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, who is serving a three-year prison sentence for campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and bank fraud, made illegal hush money payments to two women — Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal — who claimed to have had affairs with Trump. We also know, thanks to federal prosecutors, that Cohen “acted in coordination and at the direction of” the president himself. How is this brazen violation of campaign finance laws not an impeachable offense?
INCITEMENT OF VIOLENCE
The president is a threat to law and order. As New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait has observed: “On at least eight occasions, he has encouraged his supporters — including members of the armed forces — to attack his political opponents.” In addition, a bevy of domestic terrorists arrested since 2016 have cited either Trump’s name, his inflammatory rhetoric, or both.
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JARED
Trump demanded that his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, be granted a security clearance, despite objections from intelligence officials who warned that Kushner could be compromised by his business ties to foreign governments. The president may have the right to give anyone a security clearance and yet, as House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerrold Nadler explained in March, “You can do things that are within your power that are abuses of power and that are crimes.”
KIDS IN CAGES
The Trump administration, as a matter of policy, separated more than 5,400 children — including babies and toddlers — from their migrant parents at the Mexico border. Hundreds of those kids were locked up in cages. This was a clear violation of international law, and experts with the United Nations’ Human Rights Council also said the policy may have amounted to “torture.”
LIES, LIES, AND LIES
Trump has told more than 15,000 falsehoodssince coming to office. To quote presidential historian Douglas Brinkley: “There is no president that lied as if they were a form of breathing, except Donald Trump.” But lying isn’t an impeachable offense, right? Wrong. The very first article of impeachment against Nixon accused him of “making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States.”

MEDIA ATTACKS
Trump, as even Fox News host Chris Wallace observed last week, “is engaged in the most direct, sustained assault on freedom of the press in our history.” The president has asked the FBI to jail reporters who publish leaks, threatened to revoke the broadcast licenses of media organizations that criticize him, and relentlessly attacked and demonized journalists as “scum,” “slime,” “sick people,” “fake news,” and “the enemy of the people.” Members of the press have received death threats from people echoing the president’s vile language.
NEGLIGENCE
Local officials in Puerto Rico have blamedpresidential negligence and incompetence for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people in Puerto Rico, in the wake of Hurricane Maria in 2017. Trump’s response? He falsely claimedthat 3,000 Americans didn’t die. He also tried to “illegally withhold” much-needed and congressionally appropriated disaster relief money. According to the Washington Post, Trump told White House officials that “he did not want a single dollar going to Puerto Rico. … Instead, he wanted more of the money to go to Texas and Florida.”
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election identified 10 instances of possible obstruction of justice by the president. More than 1,000 former federal prosecutors agreedthat Trump’s conduct, had he been a private citizen, would have resulted “in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.”
PERJURY
We know Trump lies all the time — but how about the lies he tells under oath? The president told the Mueller inquiry: “I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with [former adviser Roger Stone], nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks with individuals associated with my campaign.” In November, however, his former deputy campaign manager, Rick Gates, said in court that Trump had been aware in advance of WikiLeaks’ disclosures in 2016, based on his conversations with Stone. The response of conservative lawyer George Conway, husband of Kellyanne? “Perjury.”
QANON
You’ve heard of QAnon, right? The batshit crazy group of online conspiracy theorists obsessed with a deep-state plot against Trump? The president has retweeted QAnon supporters on multiple occasions; invitedthem to speak at his rallies; and hosted them at the White House. Why does this matter? The FBI has warned that QAnon will “very likely” drive extremists “to carry out criminal or violent acts.” So how is it OK for the president to endorse or promote such a dangerous group?
RAPE
Trump has not only been accused of sexual assault and harassment by dozens of women, but in June, the writer E. Jean Carroll also accused him of raping her in the dressing room of a luxury department store. “I haven’t paid much attention,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters, when asked to comment on Carroll’s shocking claim. But why not? Shouldn’t rape be an impeachable offense? “I wish there had been a third Article of Impeachment against Donald Trump,” Carroll tweeted last week. “The Abuse Of Women.”
SYRIA
Less than three months after entering office, in April 2017, Trump launched airstrikesagainst Syria, without a vote in Congress. Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu, a former attorney in the Judge Advocate General Corps of the U.S. Air Force, called the strikes “FRICKIN ILLEGAL.” And remember: As former deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes has acknowledged, the lack of congressional authorization, and threat of impeachment from House Republicans, “was a factor” in the controversial decision by the Obama administration not to bomb Syria in 2013.

TAX EVASION
In October 2018, a blockbuster 13,000-word investigation by the New York Times found that Trump “received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.” What kind of dodges? “He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents. … Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more.”
ULTRA VIRES
Remember how Trump declared a fake “national emergency” in February to circumvent Congress and fund his border wall? Well, Trump himself bluntly admitted that there was no emergency or even urgency: “I didn’t need to do this. But I’d rather do it much faster.” His critics, therefore, argue that the president acted “ultra vires,” a Latin phrase meaning “beyond the powers.”
VLADIMIR
The Mueller report may have ruled out a criminal conspiracy between Trump and Vladimir Putin, but we know that Trump welcomed Russian help during the 2016 campaign and later suggested that he wasn’t bothered by Moscow’s interference in the election. We also know that Trump handed over classified intel to the Russians in the Oval Office. As Harvard law professor and former Bush administration official Jack Goldsmith co-wrote, “Questions of criminality aside … if the President gave this information away through carelessness or neglect, he has arguably breached his oath of office,” and there is “thus no reason why Congress couldn’t consider a grotesque violation of the President’s oath as a standalone basis for impeachment.”
WITNESS INTIMIDATION
In January, Cohen announced that he was postponing his public congressional testimony because of “ongoing threats against his family” from the president and his attorney Rudy Giuliani. In November, Trump attackedformer U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch as she was testifying in front of the House Intelligence Committee, prompting committee Chair Adam Schiff to accusethe president of “witness intimidation in real time.” This is the behavior not of a president but of a mob boss.

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XI
Why is there no mention of the Chinese President Xi Jinping in either of the two articles of impeachment? Why only the Ukrainian president? If the Democrats’ argument is that involving foreign governments in U.S. elections is an impeachable offense, as well as a threat to national security, then why stop at Ukraine? What about China? Listen to the president himself, speaking to reporters outside the White House in October: “China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”
YEMEN
In Syria, Trump dropped bombs without congressional approval. In Yemen, the scene of the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, Trump has helped Saudi Arabia to continue to drop bombs despite explicit opposition from both chambers of Congress. As an analyst in The Guardian argued, Trump’s decision to veto a bipartisan bill calling for an end to U.S. military involvement in the Saudi air war amounted to “flagrant defiance of the 1973 War Powers Act that checks a president’s ability to engage in armed conflict without express consent of Congress.”
ZELENSKY
The president of the United States didn’t just abuse his power in attempting to pressure the president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden; he tried to bribe him. Pelosi accused Trump of bribery and so, too, did the House Democrats’ 169-page impeachment report. Yet, as Vox noted, “When Democrats actually unveiled their articles of impeachment last week, bribery was MIA.” Why?

I respect your opinion mate, but a socialist is a socialist even if they are a democratic socialist, socialism has never worked anywhere in the world and never will.

In regards to your points on Trump, i think you are drawing a very long bow there.
Many of those points which don't have merit by the way since there is no evidence are not even impeachable offenses.
From a presidential standpoint Trump has been far better than Obama or Clinton.



As i said i respect your opinion mate so nothing personal.
 
I respect your opinion mate, but a socialist is a socialist even if they are a democratic socialist, socialism has never worked anywhere in the world and never will.

In regards to your points on Trump, i think you are drawing a very long bow there.
Many of those points which don't have merit by the way since there is no evidence are not even impeachable offenses.
From a presidential standpoint Trump has been far better than Obama or Clinton.



As i said i respect your opinion mate so nothing personal.
You have to split socialist policies in a capitalist government from a complete socialist system.
Universal Healthcare and Universal education should be a rights for all citizens. Not commodities that are brought.
 
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socialism has never worked anywhere in the world and never will.

Socialist Republic of Vietnam

Some media from the last few days.

The government of Vietnam has put in a lot of effort into making the country a good host for incoming investment and companies. Several companies have moved their units across the border to Vietnam from China. They include tech companies like Nokia, Samsung and Olympus, as well as shoe manufacturers such as Nike and Adidas. Vietnam has attracted particular interest from Australia in recent times. They were on the opposite sides of battlefield a few decades back, but now business has brought the governments together.

Vietnamese officials aim to expand their economy by 7% this year, among its fastest rates ever and quicker than world factory powerhouse China, due to investment in manufacturing, lack of trade disputes and the rise of a middle class.
The central government has formally decided to pursue GDP growth this year of 6.8% to 7%, securities analysis firm SSI Research in Hanoi said January 3. Manufacturing will be the “leading growth vector going forward, with the service sector forecasted to follow closely behind,” the research firm said.
A 7% showing would rank Vietnam among the 10 fastest-growing economies in Asia this year, according to Asian Development Bank data, and place it ahead of China. The development bank forecasts China’s GDP to grow at 6%. GDP, or gross domestic product, means the value of all goods and services produced over a given timeframe.
Money flowing into factories, offices and ports makes up much of Vietnam’s total, said Song Seng Wun, an economist in the private banking unit of CIMB in Singapore. Consumption is now becoming more obvious he said.


Now, as a lot of those firms expand, they’re growing out their administrative offices and R&D staff. That means jobs for techies, marketers and assistants to the country manager. But a lot of those firms are finding a shortage of skilled labor because Vietnam’s schools don’t teach quite what they need.
Vietnam’s Vingroup has a solution. The mega-conglomerate involved in property, tourism and electric vehicles received approval in December to operate its own university from the second half of this year. The $151 million, Hanoi-based school, to be named VinUniversity, intends to find top-rated faculty from around the world to educate undergraduates who would qualify to work in the conglomerate’s growing number of IT jobs, among others, provost Le Mai Lan said in an interview. Admission is already competitive

The EU-Vietnam Free-Trade Agreement (EVFTA) would abolish 99% of customs duties, eliminate bureaucratic hurdles by aligning standards for goods like cars and medicine, and ensure easier market access for both European and Vietnamese companies.
On Tuesday, the EU Parliament's International Trade Committee (INTA) will present a draft resolution of the EVFTA. If the European Parliament accepts the resolution during its plenary session in February, the EVFTA will come into force one month later.
The European Commission describes the EVFTA as the most ambitious free trade deal the EU has ever concluded with a developing country. According to the EU, the agreement could bring €15 billion ($16.6 billion) worth of additional exports annually to the EU by 2035.
Nguyen Minh Vu, the Vietnamese ambassador to Germany, said that the agreement is a positive step for the economies of Vietnam and the EU.

Lots of good about the country, culture, food, people. I may move there if Cambodia loses its appeal.
 

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I respect your opinion mate, but a socialist is a socialist even if they are a democratic socialist, socialism has never worked anywhere in the world and never will.

In regards to your points on Trump, i think you are drawing a very long bow there.
Many of those points which don't have merit by the way since there is no evidence are not even impeachable offenses.
From a presidential standpoint Trump has been far better than Obama or Clinton.



As i said i respect your opinion mate so nothing personal.


Long bow? Which part? That I’m worried what he’s capable of doing or that he’s a racist narcissist?

Those points about Trump were copied and pasted from an article Mehdi Hasan wrote. Noam Chomsky has also talked about the many different things that Trump could be impeached for. Professional political analysts.

I don’t like Barrack (I use my peace prize as a paper weight for my kill list) Obama or Bush. Both are war criminals
 
You have to split socialist policies in a capitalist government from a complete socialist system.
Universal Healthcare and Universal education should be a rights for all citizens. Not commodities that are brought.
So where does the line get drawn on health and Education? is it unlimited?
 
Long bow? Which part? That I’m worried what he’s capable of doing or that he’s a racist narcissist?

Those points about Trump were copied and pasted from an article Mehdi Hasan wrote. Noam Chomsky has also talked about the many different things that Trump could be impeached for. Professional political analysts.

I don’t like Barrack (I use my peace prize as a paper weight for my kill list) Obama or Bush. Both are war criminals

To be honest i'm not interested in copy and paste jobs from Hasan and especially Chomsky, i like to see people think for themselves and not buy into the propaganda.


What is it that Trump has done that you personally don't like? I'm talking about during his time as president.
I'm not a fan of his as a person, but from a presidential side he is doing a reasonable job of it.

You are correct about Obama, one of the worst presidents the US has had since maybe Jimmy Carter.
 
To be honest i'm not interested in copy and paste jobs from Hasan and especially Chomsky, i like to see people think for themselves and not buy into the propaganda.


What is it that Trump has done that you personally don't like? I'm talking about during his time as president.
I'm not a fan of his as a person, but from a presidential side he is doing a reasonable job of it.

You are correct about Obama, one of the worst presidents the US has had since maybe Jimmy Carter.

I was going to give you my full thoughts on Trump but I couldn’t be bothered writing that much so just thought it would be easier to reply to your question that, what has he done wrong as president, with an article written by someone who’s job it is to comment on politics.

If I can be bothered later I’ll give you my personal thoughts and examples of things he’s done that aren’t presidential.

For now, let me just state that basically I think as a diagnosed narcissist and proven racist and he’s dangerously impulsive.
 
In THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, twenty-seven psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts argue that, in Mr. Trump’s case, their moral and civic “duty to warn” America supersedes professional neutrality. They then explore Trump’s symptoms and potentially relevant diagnoses to find a complex, if also dangerously mad, man.

Philip Zimbardo and Rosemary Sword, for instance, explain Trump’s impulsivity in terms of “unbridled and extreme present hedonism.” Craig Malkin writes on pathological narcissism and politics as a lethal mix. Gail Sheehy, on a lack of trust that exceeds paranoia. Lance Dodes, on sociopathy. Robert Jay Lifton, on the “malignant normality” that can set in everyday life if psychiatrists do not speak up.

His madness is catching, too. From the trauma people have experienced under the Trump administration to the cult-like characteristics of his followers, he has created unprecedented mental health consequences across our nation and beyond.




 
I often wonder how much Trump is an expression of America itself.

The Simpsons called it decades ago and that to show was maybe the best analysis, in any form, of contemporary American society in history.

Remember that song by the Presidents of the United States of America?

Its Trump, it's Trump, it's Trump it's in my head.

It's Trump, it Trump, it's Trump I might be dead.
 

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Not only that the maps don't actually match each other if you look at them properly instead of on a map that is so small...

In that pink map the rail line proposed appears to be wider than Port Phillip Bay.
 
Not only that the maps don't actually match each other if you look at them properly instead of on a map that is so small...

In that pink map the rail line proposed appears to be wider than Port Phillip Bay.

And there's the small point that the proposed rail link doesn't go through Gippsland ...
 
Did they have the one about HAARP and directed energy weapons.

They jokingly brought up Jones’ claims as an example as one of the conspiracy theories, they used a clip of him ranting that the bushfires in Australia is a multi national conspiracy funded by China to clear the land for a railway.
 
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