Prediction RD16: Changes vs Melbourne

[dockerfemme]

The main change I'd like to see this week is some moving the magnets around so our players are playing more in their best suited positions. Mundy back into the middle with Fyfe out. Plus SHill and Cerra into the midfield - Brad Hill and Duman in should help move the ball out of d50 enough to enable this. Walters as a permanent small forward until he settles back in to the team imo - he's trying to do too much lately - needs to trust the kids a bit more.

B Kersten ~ Hamling ~ Ryan

HB Wilson ~ Pearce ~ Duman

C Langdon ~ SHill ~ BHill

R Darcy ~ Mundy ~ Neale

HF Banfield ~ Cox ~ Tucker

F Matera ~ Apeness ~ Walters

I/C Brayshaw ~ Cerra ~ Giro ~ Sheridan

Six defenders in the back line for once. Nyhuis or Hughes in if Pearce doesn't get up. Senior experience in the guts to help Cerra/Brayshaw/Banfield rotating through. Sheridan and Giro rotating through the wings and half forward line.

It's a bit weak across that half forward line but hopefully we can add Bennell sometime soon. When Fyfe comes back, Mundy can also go forward again. And perhaps McCarthy will be pushing for selection by then as well, so too Grey and Switkowski.

Suspect in reality Ballantyne will stay in again though

I like your reasoning and comments. The only things I would add are that I have always been an advocate of Tucker across half forward as he has kicked some lovely goals, but he has recently missed some fairly easy set shots and I think he spent some time back on Sunday. He came to the club as an attacking half back, maybe he should be tried there for a while, because he really doesn't get enough of the ball, maybe he needs it to come to him. I also wonder whether, in the medium term, Duman should be developed as a half forward. We have many defensive options (when fit) and far less forward options. He has nice skills, and is a tall who plays small, always a difficult match up.

 

[mightymouse75]

The only good thing about next game is Darcy will be back in. Don't think we will win but will be grand to see a young man with fire in his belly

 

[salim malik]

The main change I'd like to see this week is some moving the magnets around so our players are playing more in their best suited positions. Mundy back into the middle with Fyfe out. Plus SHill and Cerra into the midfield - Brad Hill and Duman in should help move the ball out of d50 enough to enable this. Walters as a permanent small forward until he settles back in to the team imo - he's trying to do too much lately - needs to trust the kids a bit more.

B Kersten ~ Hamling ~ Ryan





HB Wilson ~ Pearce ~ Duman

C Langdon ~ SHill ~ BHill

R Darcy ~ Mundy ~ Neale

HF Banfield ~ Cox ~ Tucker

F Matera ~ Apeness ~ Walters

I/C Brayshaw ~ Cerra ~ Giro ~ Sheridan

Six defenders in the back line for once. Nyhuis or Hughes in if Pearce doesn't get up. Senior experience in the guts to help Cerra/Brayshaw/Banfield rotating through. Sheridan and Giro rotating through the wings and half forward line.

It's a bit weak across that half forward line but hopefully we can add Bennell sometime soon. When Fyfe comes back, Mundy can also go forward again. And perhaps McCarthy will be pushing for selection by then as well, so too Grey and Switkowski.



Suspect in reality Ballantyne will stay in again though

General question is Matera offering any more than Ballas.

 

[wayToGo_]

General question is Matera offering any more than Ballas.

(1) Yes, from an output perspective:
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I260069,CD_I290817&comparisonTab=h2h
(2) And would rather play the guy who may be on our list for the next 4+ years.

edit - and I think not playing Ballas means Matera and Walters can play deeper - hopefully resulting in more goals from them. Two of them have versatility, the other does not and so we have no choice to play that one as a deep small forward.

 

[aussieviking]

General question is Matera offering any more than Ballas.

I think Balla has shown a lot more (which doesn't mean he has done much) .Matera has been a disappointment except against carlton.

 

[Freomaniac]

The value of playing Danyle Pearce is that the argument that simply playing a lot of young kids to rebuild successfully is absolute rubbish. Plenty of players are better off developing skills at local league level before playing afl games, rather than simply playing all kids and thinking that by magic they will develop. Look at Timothy Kelly, Zorko, Stewart and plenty of others. Playing a kid before they are ready has failed miserably as a rebuilding strategy in recent years. It simply is an over simplistic strategy that makes supporters think their team is developing when the reality is players not up to afl level can work on weaknesses at the slower paced local league level, so therefore some players development is enhanced by not exposing them to afl level when not ready. I wouldnt play Danyle this week, but there is more merit in playing a couple of senior players in short term roles (to allow more players to develop at local level) than most here admit.

As I said, I would of been happy this year if freo gave debut games to 4-5 players and they all played 1-5 games each this year. Lets be realistic some 18 year old we drafted have come straight out of high school and only played 1 full season of WAFL/SANFL/VFL etc. I enjoyed last season just on the rookies we gave debut games to: Logue, Darcy, cox and Ryan

Some guys need to play a full season at peel to improve their endurance and develop their skills. They might not get a debut game at freo in their 1st year, they might play 1 or 2 dockers games late into the season. If it takes them 2-3 years to develop and they eventually make it into the 22 as serviceable 150-200 game players, then that's fine by me.

2 of our 2014 draftees in Connor Blakely and Ed Langdon are examples of this. They played 1 game in 2015: that infamous Port Game where we rested half our team. Then that disastrous 2016 came in. The only few positives I found that season was that Blakely and Langdon got 10-15 games each. Then In 2017 where we improved a fair bit, I think both blokes played all 22 games or played at least 20 each.

Darcy and Logue missed the 1st half of the season with injury which sucked. Saying that, I see them both play 200 games for us if they both stayed

 

[Freomaniac]

The main change I'd like to see this week is some moving the magnets around so our players are playing more in their best suited positions. Mundy back into the middle with Fyfe out. Plus SHill and Cerra into the midfield - Brad Hill and Duman in should help move the ball out of d50 enough to enable this. Walters as a permanent small forward until he settles back in to the team imo - he's trying to do too much lately - needs to trust the kids a bit more.

B Kersten ~ Hamling ~ Ryan

HB Wilson ~ Pearce ~ Duman

C Langdon ~ SHill ~ BHill

R Darcy ~ Mundy ~ Neale

HF Banfield ~ Cox ~ Tucker

F Matera ~ Apeness ~ Walters

I/C Brayshaw ~ Cerra ~ Giro ~ Sheridan

Six defenders in the back line for once. Nyhuis or Hughes in if Pearce doesn't get up. Senior experience in the guts to help Cerra/Brayshaw/Banfield rotating through. Sheridan and Giro rotating through the wings and half forward line.

It's a bit weak across that half forward line but hopefully we can add Bennell sometime soon. When Fyfe comes back, Mundy can also go forward again. And perhaps McCarthy will be pushing for selection by then as well, so too Grey and Switkowski.

Suspect in reality Ballantyne will stay in again though

That isn't a bad 22 you put out. A good blend of youth and experience. Only one bloke that is aged 30 or more and that is mundy

 

[sherrif]

But for every Elliot Yeo there are legitimately 10's of examples like Brayshaws, Hunter Clarks, Ed Richards, Rayner, Giro, Banfield, Fritsch, T. McCartin, Naughton, Stephensen etc. They don't need time in the two's because they are lacking development they can only receive there, they need time because they simply aren't good enough to play in the firsts. Some players like Yeo will drastically improve and become good enough but for the vast, vast majority (particularly if they aren't tall who I think rightly get given more time) they simply disappear.

Teams like Melbourne, Carlton etc weren't/aren't bad because they played too much youth they're bad because either the experienced talent wasn't there around them or the youth that was selected weren't actually that good. DP/Ballas over Duman/Crowden aren't going to be changing any results so why not give the guys who'll be here next year more experience over the guys who won't.

Sorry, but it is deadset rubbish to say that for every yeo there are ten examples of players who play from the get go and that players who don't normally simply disappear. Look at some of the examples who got a decent grounding at local level in their first year or so on a list who are playing great now and that is not even including talls who normally take longer to adjust. The list would include Tom Mitchell, Tom Lynch (adelaide) Betts,C.Smith, Llyod, Houli, Gunston, Rampe, Weller, Blakely, Langdon, N.Jetta, Hibbered, Jack Steven, Doedee, Laird, Josh Kennedy (swan version), Macrae and Hunter spent time in the two's at the Bulldogs just to name a few without even mentioning those who got onto afl lists after turning twenty who also obviously didn't play in the year or two after playing underage.

The idea that all players benefit from playing early on and that the best way to rebuild is simply to 'get games into them' is actually based on false logic that doesn't stack up against the fact that players in reality develop at all kinds of different rates. Some players benefit from playing early on, but plenty of players develop into great players with a solid grounding at local league level. I cant see any problems in playing a veteran for a game or two to allow a youngster the chance to work on a weakness at the slower paced wafl level in games for the rest of the year. Just saying 'play the kids' doesnt take into account the fact that there are some players who benefit from playing at a lower level early in their careers.

 

[clivenator26]

B Hill - Fyfe
Darcy - A Pearce
Bennell - Ballaz
Hughes - Nyhuis

 

[TheLastCall]

B Hill - Fyfe
Darcy - Nyhuis
Duman -Ballas

 

[Sweetback]

We covered Fyfe fine when he was out, but had Blakely in the guts. Who goes in there now?

 

[Joao]

We covered Fyfe fine when he was out, but had Blakely in the guts. Who goes in there now?

Ballas?

 

[Rion]

We covered Fyfe fine when he was out, but had Blakely in the guts. Who goes in there now?

Mix of Mundy/Neale + Walters/S.Hill + Cerra/Brayshaw probably goes alright. Melbourne are a very good contested side but they're midfield is all very one-paced so Walters/Hill should be able to use their speed pretty well.

 

[mightymouse75]

Grey might be an option , he is all inside. Just have Darcy running through them and ape in the other direction . They will all be to scared to go near the ball.

 

[Sweetback]

Mix of Mundy/Neale + Walters/S.Hill + Cerra/Brayshaw probably goes alright. Melbourne are a very good contested side but they're midfield is all very one-paced so Walters/Hill should be able to use their speed pretty well.

Neale was already there but yeah, more Mundy minutes, especially if Darcy comes in to rest forward. I do think we need that big-bodied mature mid to be able to compete.

 

[Taylor]

There is a striking correlation between Luke Ryan's output and the team's performance

 

[Fyfster]

Ballas?

Where is the thumbs down symbol? oh there it is

 

[Fyfster]

There is a striking correlation between Luke Ryan's output and the team's performance

Well observed Lukes worst two games this season were v Collingwood and V Brisbane .

 

[Deathly]

There is a striking correlation between Luke Ryan's output and the team's performance

I reckon he will be FFC Captain #10.

 

[Taylor]

I reckon he will be FFC Captain #10.

Interesting window for #9.

 

[yakamoto]

What # will our first indigenous captain be?

 

[wayToGo_]

What # will our first indigenous captain be?

Alex Pearce surely our best chance? So could be the next one.

 

[E Shed]

There is a striking correlation between Luke Ryan's output and the team's performance

Interesting, was thinking on Sunday he was one I was wondering where he's got to, our running, long kicking defence was mostly AWOL. Wilson & Hill were trying to get some run going but it just wasn't happening.

 

[yakamoto]

There is usually a high correlation between the output of most players and team performance.

 

[beetz]

We covered Fyfe fine when he was out, but had Blakely in the guts. Who goes in there now?

Hopefully SHill, he’s played some of his best footy as an inside mid.