Opinion Recruiting and List Management Team: Hamish Ogilvie, Justin Reid & Co

[Bearded Clam]

Don't forget about Pedlar either in this.

You can certainly carry one or two forwards who don't bring a whole lot of goal scoring power to plug other gaps when you have three who will.

But..

Why carry anyone if you dont have to?

Whats with this weird “ahhh, we can have one or two underperformers” attitude to this?..

We shouldve realised murphy is garbage.. and given other players like dowling, cook or nank a good solid run at it this year.. (nank finally got a run in the end but as a half back) and if they dont perform after being given a solid block of games.. start looking for something else.

This club seems to really love clinging to certain players that are underperformers just cause they try hard.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Don't forget about Pedlar either in this.

You can certainly carry one or two forwards who don't bring a whole lot of goal scoring power to plug other gaps when you have three who will.

Think one of Pedlar or Rachele becomes the 4th midfielder, in Schoenberg’s absence (with some forward time still, of course)

So the small forward trio would be one of Pedlar/Rachele-Rankine-Murphy (or whoever), with all bar Murphy getting some bursts in the CBAs as well

Or maybe both Pedlar and Rachele split the time the 4th rotation mid would get

 

[MRB37]

Don't forget about Pedlar either in this.

You can certainly carry one or two forwards who don't bring a whole lot of goal scoring power to plug other gaps when you have three who will.

Peds kicked 25.15 which is a pretty good return for a guy we aren't developing to be a forward.

 

[skam85]

Whats with this weird “ahhh, we can have one or two underperformers” attitude to this?..

No team is ever going to have 22 stars though, look at all the premiership 22s over the years. Every one of them has at least one Murphy ala "one of these things is not like the others"

Heck even look at ours! Clay Sampson and Aaron Keating come to mind

 

[George Kramer]

No team is ever going to have 22 stars though, look at all the premiership 22s over the years. Every one of them has at least one Murphy ala "one of these things is not like the others"

Heck even look at ours! Clay Sampson and Aaron Keating come to mind

Fine to have Murphy as depth, but shouldn’t be a walk up start and finishing top ten in your B&F

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Murphy is our fourth most effective pressure act/tackling forward behind Keays, Rachele and Rankine in that order

McCreery is Collingwood's second best pressure forward behind Taylor Adams (if he counts)

There's no need to overrate Murphy's contribution to the side. He's a role player who is pretty average at his role. It is what it is.

I’ve already said McCreery is far more effective with pressure and that I rate him much higher

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Fine to have Murphy as depth, but shouldn’t be a walk up start and finishing top ten in your B&F

Prob won’t finish top 10 again if our team improves

 

[Jeffcrowe]

also unlucky as Goad the 20th player picked (meaning 3 years initial contract) compared to Edwards 2 years at 21st pick

Doubt he’s ready in 2 years anyway

 

[bonehilda]

Prob won’t finish top 10 again if our team improves

Shouldn’t have been anywhere near it this year though. He finished marginally behind Tex… something ain’t right about the way he’s rated internally

 

[119others]

Doubt he’s ready in 2 years anyway

a question for you, Bicks and others with more knowledge of juniors, but would Edwards and Ryan had much to do with each other from your understanding? Vic country etc?

 

[George Kramer]

a question for you, Bicks and others with more knowledge of juniors, but would Edwards and Ryan had much to do with each other from your understanding? Vic country etc?

Edwards interview today said no

 

[119others]

Edwards interview today said no

ok thanks man. Can I ask what interview? radio etc?

Lots of catching up to do tonight but genuinely have you been more excited by ANY draft propsect in the last half decade or so? Perhaps its just the surprise of landing him where a top 3 pick wasnt out of the question but what an extreme level of elite traits this lad has. SO pumped

 

[BACCS]

I’ve already said McCreery is far more effective with pressure and that I rate him much higher

I agree, but the differences in actual impact on a game to Murphy are so small they clearly don’t matter to results, especially when we know that our scoring potency is already elite. Swap Murphy and McCreery and I reckon you get the same people underrating McCreery at the Crows (or just flat out whinging about his selection) and overrating the quality of what other teams have in the same role (Murphy in this hypothetical).

 

[George Kramer]

ok thanks man. Can I ask what interview? radio etc?

Lots of catching up to do tonight but genuinely have you been more excited by ANY draft propsect in the last half decade or so? Perhaps it’s just the surprise of landing him where a top 3 pick wasnt out of the question but what an extreme level of elite traits this lad has. SO pumped

SEN with Bicks

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Murphy plays further up the ground for little additional impact, and is inferior playing either a pressure or goal kicking forward role

For example it takes Murphy roughly 50% more disposals to generate 30% more inside 50s and score involvements

Murphy doesn’t play higher than McCeery , they both play high

McCeery even pushes up onto wing at times

I think that’s the reason McCeery isn’t a big goalkicker either

Brahahaha you’re using positive stats to spin a negative you hate Murphy so much

Also no one is saying Murphy is better , just that his stats aren’t much different to someone we all rate highly in McCeery

 

[Scorpus]

I agree, but the differences in actual impact on a game to Murphy are so small they clearly don’t matter to results, especially when we know that our scoring potency is already elite. Swap Murphy and McCreery and I reckon you get the same people underrating McCreery at the Crows (or just flat out whinging about his selection) and overrating the quality of what other teams have in the same role (Murphy in this hypothetical).

I think the issue isn't so much Murphy vs McCreery, but more why are we playing a 4th/5th small forward that has little impact on the game and is less effective than all of the other smalls in our forward half?

Like why have we created a role for a specialist pressure half forward when he plays that role worse than Rachele, Rankine and even Keays? Do we even need that sort of defensive role when the guy we put in it is less defensive than our major goal kickers?

You're right in that there's been a rotation of whinging about that player (Murphy, McHenry, Rowe, Knight, Wright, etc) so it's more about the role being ineffective and better used on a different type of player

 

[Mostyn]

I'm all for testing players at AFL level but let's be clear, the Crows are not "testing" Murphy at AFL level. They think he is a very good player, he's played 98 games and the club sees him as best 22

He finished 6th in the B&F.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He finished 6th in the B&F.

I wouldn't be posting this like it's a good thing...

 

[Mostyn]

I wouldn't be posting this like it's a good thing...

Obviously the coaches rate what he contributes to the team. They're going to keep him in the side until someone vastly better steps up - they're obviously not still testing him to see what he can offer.

They know what it is and they value it.

 

[George Kramer]

Obviously the coaches rate what he contributes to the team. They're going to keep him in the side until someone vastly better steps up.

Who did we draft that could replace him?

 

[Mostyn]

Who did we draft that could replace him?

No one. They're obviously not looking for a kid to replace the 6th place finisher in the B&F. They're currently not looking to replace him at all.

For those desperate to replace him, probably the best chance is Keays as a full-time pressure forward, with Rankine/Keays/Pedlar as our three smalls

 

[George Kramer]

No one. They're obviously not looking for a kid to replace the 6th place finisher in the B&F. They're currently not looking to replace him at all.

So you and they must think he’s as good as we can get in his position right? He’s that good.

Interesting given they didn’t pick him rd 1, dropped him during the year and have dropped him basically at least once every year since he’s started.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Obviously the coaches rate what he contributes to the team. They're going to keep him in the side until someone vastly better steps up - they're obviously not still testing him to see what he can offer.

They know what it is and they value it.

Yet you named Murphy in our SANFL side.

Why?

 

[Mostyn]

Yet you named Murphy in our SANFL side.

Why?

I don't coach the Adelaide Crows.

 

[George Kramer]

Yet you named Murphy in our SANFL side.

Why?

Oh that’s just gold