Game Day Syd v Adel Rnd 19: Swan appétit

[Sanders]

It’s how it has played out though. Only 3 players over 100 games on the weekend which is pretty much unheard of. Form, fit and injury to senior players has tipped it over. We would have to be diabolical from here out for Nicks to be put under serious job loss heat at season end.

Safe until at least the bye next year


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I think you’ve got it about face. The pilot who crashed into the side of the mountain unexpectedly doesn’t get credit for the fact he no longer has a plane

 

[jenny61_99]

The club doesn’t. They hired Nicks to do a bit of list rejuvenation

Publicly they were clear they weren’t interested in tearing it all down.

Really? What’s your evidence to show this. Pretty sure they’ve been very clear on rebuild.

'We're heading in the right direction': Nicks backs Crows' rebuild.​

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The Crows have decided to bottom out and rebuild with fresh, young talent. It's a model that has been successfully used by Melbourne and Carlton
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We were on the bare bones of our arse in a lot of ways and we had $4.5 million of debt. How were we going to reset and rebuild? (Silvers)
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Desperate football: The Crows' rebuild and the numbers game​

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Crows urged to hold onto Talia through rebuild​

“Keep the great people and great leaders and players who can play a role next year and help mentor.”​

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Adelaide Crows braced for five year rebuild after worst start in the club’s history (this in 2020 which would see us still three years away)​

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Etc etc etc

 

[MarcusP2]

Really? What’s your evidence to show this. Pretty sure they’ve been very clear on rebuild.

'We're heading in the right direction': Nicks backs Crows' rebuild.​

——————-
The Crows have decided to bottom out and rebuild with fresh, young talent. It's a model that has been successfully used by Melbourne and Carlton
—————-
We were on the bare bones of our arse in a lot of ways and we had $4.5 million of debt. How were we going to reset and rebuild? (Silvers)
—————

Desperate football: The Crows' rebuild and the numbers game​

——————

Crows urged to hold onto Talia through rebuild​

“Keep the great people and great leaders and players who can play a role next year and help mentor.”​

——————-

Adelaide Crows braced for five year rebuild after worst start in the club’s history (this in 2020 which would see us still three years away)​

————
Etc etc etc

Quotes post 2020 when it all fell to pieces aren't very persuasive.

 

[Sanders]

Really? What’s your evidence to show this. Pretty sure they’ve been very clear on rebuild.

'We're heading in the right direction': Nicks backs Crows' rebuild.​

——————-
The Crows have decided to bottom out and rebuild with fresh, young talent. It's a model that has been successfully used by Melbourne and Carlton
—————-
We were on the bare bones of our arse in a lot of ways and we had $4.5 million of debt. How were we going to reset and rebuild? (Silvers)
—————

Desperate football: The Crows' rebuild and the numbers game​

——————

Crows urged to hold onto Talia through rebuild​

“Keep the great people and great leaders and players who can play a role next year and help mentor.”​

——————-

Adelaide Crows braced for five year rebuild after worst start in the club’s history (this in 2020 which would see us still three years away)​

————
Etc etc etc

Dates? And said by whom

Check when he was hired

 

[Sanders]

Quotes post 2020 when it all fell to pieces aren't very persuasive.

I suspect the absence of links and other data was not by accident.

Which is seriously not cool

 

[FR0GGY]

Rejuvenate was the word used. Not rebuild

 

[jenny61_99]

I suspect the absence of links and other data was not by accident.

Which is seriously not cool

Sorry was on my iPad, not able to put links and I can’t be buggered at the moment in bed with COVID. One quote from 2020, all the rest more recent. None the less plenty of stories found with a quick search.

 

[jenny61_99]

'We're heading in the right direction': Nicks backs Crows' rebuild

Despite just three wins in 2022, Crows coach says momentum is 'really positive' within his side

www.afl.com.au

aldsun.com.au › afl › news › news-story

6 days ago — The Crows have decided to bottom out and rebuild with fresh, young talent. It's a model that has been successfully used by Melbourne and

The silver lining in Crows rebuild - InDaily

indaily.com.au

Desperate football: The Crows' rebuild and the numbers game - InDaily

indaily.com.au

Crows urged to hold onto Talia through rebuild

"Keep the great people and great leaders and players who can play a role next year and help mentor."

aflfeeds.com

Adelaide Crows braced for five year rebuild after worst start in the club’s history​

See you in five years Crows fans

The Adelaide Crows have sunk to a new low, despite a better performance against St Kilda on Monday night.

www.news.com.au

we have constantly used the phrase REBUILD since Nicks came on board.

 

[MRB37]

It’s how it has played out though. Only 3 players over 100 games on the weekend which is pretty much unheard of. Form, fit and injury to senior players has tipped it over. We would have to be diabolical from here out for Nicks to be put under serious job loss heat at season end.

Safe until at least the bye next year


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The bigger problem is probably outside Berry none of that youth is really taking a bigger and consistent role and performing at a higher level to make up for the falling results we're getting from what senior core we have left like Brodie Smith. At this rate we could be absolutely rooted even worse in 2-3 years time when Tex and Sloane are gone, Smith and Laird are 30+.

They keep saying it'll come with time, but the continual inconsistent and poor results from players like Jones, McHenry, Murphy etc prove that's not true at all and you can't just keep saying it'll happen. Maybe they've just peaked at the level they're at now, which means we're in now man's land.

 

[Sanders]

Sorry was on my iPad, not able to put links and I can’t be buggered at the moment in bed with COVID. One quote from 2020, all the rest more recent. None the less plenty of stories found with a quick search.

Exactly

Not OK.

 

[Sanders]

'We're heading in the right direction': Nicks backs Crows' rebuild

Despite just three wins in 2022, Crows coach says momentum is 'really positive' within his side

www.afl.com.au

aldsun.com.au › afl › news › news-story

6 days ago — The Crows have decided to bottom out and rebuild with fresh, young talent. It's a model that has been successfully used by Melbourne and

The silver lining in Crows rebuild - InDaily

indaily.com.au

Desperate football: The Crows' rebuild and the numbers game - InDaily

indaily.com.au

Crows urged to hold onto Talia through rebuild

"Keep the great people and great leaders and players who can play a role next year and help mentor."

aflfeeds.com

Adelaide Crows braced for five year rebuild after worst start in the club’s history​

See you in five years Crows fans

The Adelaide Crows have sunk to a new low, despite a better performance against St Kilda on Monday night.

www.news.com.au

we have constantly used the phrase REBUILD since Nicks came on board.

Since he crashed the plane.

NOT when he was hired!!!!

 

[Milo Cyrus]

The rebuild is on track, Rightio.

 

[rabidcrow]

The bigger problem is probably outside Berry none of that youth is really taking a bigger and consistent role and performing at a higher level to make up for the falling results we're getting from what senior core we have left like Brodie Smith. At this rate we could be absolutely rooted even worse in 2-3 years time when Tex and Sloane are gone, Smith and Laird are 30+.

They keep saying it'll come with time, but the continual inconsistent and poor results from players like Jones, McHenry, Murphy etc prove that's not true at all and you can't just keep saying it'll happen. Maybe they've just peaked at the level they're at now, which means we're in now man's land.

I think they are taking a collective decent load at the moment but not many are starring consistently (or starring at all in some cases)
The only truly senior players we are playing since Crouch was dropped are Tex, Smith, Laird (100 games plus) Now we got smashed in the first quarter and I reckon we have seen better Crows teams on paper that would never have responded like we did on the weekend.

By comparison Geelong had 12 players over 150 games on the weekend and 17 over 100. Port had 12, Sydney 11, Freo 11, Essendon only had 8 - but 8 others around 60-80 games. Port and Sydney and Freo also had 6 or so players in that 60/80 games bracket - we had 8 in the 50-80 game bracket

We actually got back in the game on the weekend and bar a couple of errors should have got back to a goal or two.

The experience profile of this group says we will continue to lose a lot more weeks than we win and “honourable” losses are what we need to continue seeing.

Undeniably we need more talent - a key back , a dangerous small forward and an X factor mid - before we can look at finals but even more so we need another 40-50 games through the group.


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[Dangerousfield]

A quickie here that I'll flesh out in another thread later.

On Saturday Swans had 8 players aged 19-22, they have nailed their recent picks across second and third rounds particularly. It's this that's driven them up the ladder. Meanwhile at the Crows .......

 

[Mutineer]

A quickie here that I'll flesh out in another thread later.

On Saturday Swans had 8 players aged 19-22, they have nailed their recent picks across second and third rounds particularly. It's this that's driven them up the ladder. Meanwhile at the Crows .......

You don't think having 1st dibs on Academy/Father Sons is a massive part of why they are well placed?..

There's leg ups and then there's the Sydney Swans.

Isaac Heeney - Sydney Academy
Callum Mills - Sydney Academy
Braeden Campbell - Sydney Academy
Errol Gulden Sydney Academy
Nick Blakey - Father/Son
Sam Whicks - Sydney Academy
Sam Naismith - Swans Academy
James Bell - Sydney Academy

Meanwhile we've had 1st dibs on Ben Jarman, Jackson Edwards, James Borlase and Tariek Newchurch through our father/son, NGA Academy none of whom other clubs thought worthy of a bid in the National draft even if we had nominated them. The only player we had 1st dibs on that I can think of that's been drafted was Luke Edwards pick 52 to the WCE.

 

[George Kramer]

You don't think having 1st dibs on Academy/Father Sons is a massive part of why they are well placed?..

Isaac Heeney - Sydney Academy
Callum Mills - Sydney Academy
Braeden Campbell - Sydney Academy
Errol Gulden Sydney Academy
Nick Blakey - Father/Son
Sam Whicks - Sydney Academy
Sam Naismith - Swans Academy
James Bell - Sydney Academy

Meanwhile we've had 1st dibs on Ben Jarman, Jackson Edwards, James Borlase and Tariek Newchurch through our father/son, NGA Academy none of whom other clubs thought worthy of a bid in the National draft even if we had nominated them. The only player we had 1st dibs on that's been drafted was Luke Edwards pick 52 to the WCE.

They also drafted Rowbottom, McInerney, Warner, Hayward….

 

[rabidcrow]

A quickie here that I'll flesh out in another thread later.

On Saturday Swans had 8 players aged 19-22, they have nailed their recent picks across second and third rounds particularly. It's this that's driven them up the ladder. Meanwhile at the Crows .......

Do you think that those young players would look as good if not surrounded by Mills, Parker, Buddy, Heeney, Rampe etc etc?

Adelaide used to be out of finals contention for a year or two at a time because we maintained a squad with plenty of depth and experience so when we bought in younger players they were surrounded with experience and some class.

We haven’t done that on this rebuild for a number of reasons but particularly painful was the loss of Lever, Cameron and even McGovern although he has been ordinary for Carlton. Just adding the first two into our side would make a massive difference - and possibly Keath and Greenwood

Longer term though we should have some extra players on the list with higher ceilings. This draft and trade period in particular are critical to get right


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[Dangerousfield]

You don't think having 1st dibs on Academy/Father Sons is a massive part of why they are well placed?..

There's leg ups and then there's the Sydney Swans.

Isaac Heeney - Sydney Academy
Callum Mills - Sydney Academy
Braeden Campbell - Sydney Academy
Errol Gulden Sydney Academy
Nick Blakey - Father/Son
Sam Whicks - Sydney Academy
Sam Naismith - Swans Academy
James Bell - Sydney Academy

Meanwhile we've had 1st dibs on Ben Jarman, Jackson Edwards, James Borlase and Tariek Newchurch through our father/son, NGA Academy none of whom other clubs thought worthy of a bid in the National draft even if we had nominated them. The only player we had 1st dibs on that I can think of that's been drafted was Luke Edwards pick 52 to the WCE.

Drawing a long bow to suit your argument by claiming Swans success is due to academy.

Wicks, Naismith, Bell were rookies, anyone could have drafted them and they didn't play against us Saturday, nor did Campbell.

Gulden slipped to pick 32, any team could of taken him before early second round and Swans wouldn't have matched.

Heeney, Mills, Blakey were over a five draft period, they got them cheaper but still had to give up plenty of picks to match.

Their rise has been due to their great drafting. In Saturdays team they had 5 rookie picks, a DFA, a RFA, and a stack of picks from 25-44 and could have included a pick 56 Dawson, who is our best player drafted and developed by the Swans.

Our drafting has failed us big time in comparison. How about you sheet the blame for our problem on our recruiters rather than making out Swans rise is due to the 8 players you named.

 

[Mutineer]

Drawing a long bow to suit your argument by claiming Swans success is due to academy.

Wicks, Naismith, Bell were rookies, anyone could have drafted them and they didn't play against us Saturday, nor did Campbell.

Gulden slipped to pick 32, any team could of taken him before early second round and Swans wouldn't have matched.

Heeney, Mills, Blakey were over a five draft period, they got them cheaper but still had to give up plenty of picks to match.

Their rise has been due to their great drafting. In Saturdays team they had 5 rookie picks, a DFA, a RFA, and a stack of picks from 25-44 and could have included a pick 56 Dawson, who is our best player drafted and developed by the Swans.

Our drafting has failed us big time in comparison. How about you sheet the blame for our problem on our recruiters rather than making out Swans rise is due to the 8 players you named.

Bullshit Sydney would have matched Gulden wherever the bid came.

You really don't get it do you.....top end talent that no matter where the bid came they had exclusive rights.

Just like we'd no doubt take Keeler if he was available exclusively to us.