The Football Factories - stats by REH

[RussellEbertHandball]

In Inside Football's Summer Special 2011 edition dated December 15, 2010 pages 32 and 33 they have a story on the feeder leagues draftees with all the clubs from TAC cup, WAFL and SANFL numbers as well as numbers for other state league draftees and international and metro/country zones draftees.

I put the info in a spreadsheet and have added the .1-49 and % 0 GM columns and the Totals per league and overall Totals.

This covers from and includes the 2000 National Draft + 2001 Preseason draft to 2001 Rookie draft to the 2010 National Draft + 2011 Preseason draft to 2011 Rookie draft. The reason the PSD and Rookie draft vary slightly is a carry over from when the PSD and Rookie draft happened in February not December.

What we see is that the Port Magpies numbers are down, at 16, but their quality is high. They have the highest average games per draftee @ 67.1 games. The only other club in WA or TAC cup to have an average over 50 games per draftee from that club is;

Bendigo Pioneers 24 - Ave 53.9 - Ollie Wines club. Bendigo were the second lowest of the TAC cup clubs in terms of total draftees produced but their country lads that make it have more quality on average.

As Portia keeps saying the Western Jets are not a great feeder club.


TAC………… # dft Ave ..0 50 100 150 200+ .1-49 % 0 GM
Bendigo……... 24 53.9 ..6 .2... 6... 1... 0....... 9.. 25.0%
Calder………... 67 25.6 28 .8... 2... 4.... 0..... 25.. 41.8%
Dandenong…. 47 25.9 22 .4... 3... 2.... 0......16.. 46.8%
Eastern…….... 44 24.5 18 .2... 7... 0... 0...... 17. 40.9%
Geelong…….... 58 28.9 28 .5... 3... 3... 0...... 19. 48.3%
Gippsland….... 40 37.9 15 .8.... 5.. 1... 0...... 11. 37.5%
Murray………... 55 36.7 19 .6.... 5.. 3... 0...... 22. 34.5%
Nth Ballart…... 40 36.2 10 .5... 4.. 2.... 0...... 19. 25.0%
Nthn Knights.. 32 27.8 14 .3... 3... 0... 0...... 12. 43.8%
Oakleigh…...… 48 26.7 22 .4.... 3... 2... 0...... 17. 45.8%
Sandringham.. 49 28.4 20 .7.... 2... 2.. 0....... 18. 40.8%
Western…...... 17 19.0 7.. 1.... 1... 0.. 0......... 8. 41.2%
Total……….…. 521 30.4 209 55 44.. 20.. 0..... 193. 40.1%

The other comps info

WAFL...... # dft Ave ..0 50 100 150 200+ .1-49 % 0 GM
Claremont... 40 26.3 15 .5... 2... 1... 0........ 17.. 37.5%
E Freo…..….. 36 45.8 10 .8... 2... 3... 0........ 13. 27.8%
E Perth……... 15 17.5 .5 .1... 0... 0... 0.......... 9. 33.3%
Peel….......… 20 25.9 .7 .1... 2... 0... 0......... 10. 35.0%
Perth………... 18 32.9 .5 .5... 1... 0... 0........... 7. 27.8%
S Freo……..… 23 41.4 .3 .3... 3.. 1.... 0......... 13. 13.0%
Subiaco….…. 11 24.7 .3 .2... 0... 0... 0........... 6. 27.3%
Swan Dist….. 21 14.9 .4 .0... 0... 0... 0......... 17. 19.0%
W Perth…….. 17 42.2 .2 .5... 2... 1... 0........... 7. 11.8%
Total………… 201 31.5 54 30. 12.. 6... 0......... 99. 26.9%

SANFL..... # dft Ave ..0 50 100 150 200+ .1-49 % 0 GM
Centrals…….. 20 27.0 .5 .6... 0... 0... 0......... 9.. 25.0%
Glenelg…….… 24 34.1 10 .2... 2... 0... 1......... 9.. 41.7%
North………... 24 24.3 13 .5... 1... 0... 0......... 5.. 54.2%
Norwood……. 24 18.2 12 .2... 1... 0... 0......... 9.. 50.0%
Port Magpies 16 67.1 .5 .2... 1... 4... 0......... 4.. 31.3%
South……..….. 9 20.4 .4 .1... 1... 0... 0.......... 3. 44.4%
Sturt…………. 17 36.9 .7 .0... 2... 2... 0........... 6. 41.2%
West……….… 31 39.8 12 .4... 4... 1... 0......... 10. 38.7%
WWT………... 22 34.5 10 .5... 1... 1... 0........... 5. 45.5%
Total………… 187 33.5 78 27. 13... 8... 1......... 60. 41.7%
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State leag # dft Ave 0 50 100 150 200+ .1-49 % 0 GM
VFL…………. 74 32.7 28 7 8 2 0 29 37.8%
AFL Tas……. 36 17.1 16 3 2 0 0 15 44.4%
AFLQ……….. 71 33.1 24 12 7 1 0 27 33.8%
NSW/ACT….. 40 25.2 24 3 4 1 0 8 60.0%
AFL NT……… 21 34.1 6 5 3 0 0 7 28.6%
Total………… 242 142.2 98 30 24 4 0 86 40.5%

Other..... # dft Ave Gms 0 50 100 150 200+ .1-49 % 0 GM
International… 21 8 15 1 0 0 0 5 71.4%
Metro/Country 20 21.4 8 2 1 0 0 9 40.0%
Total………… 41 14.5 23 3 1 0 0 14 56.1%

TOTALS……. 950 30.6 364 115 70 34 1 366 38.3%


Tadhg Kennelly was drafted in the 2000 Rookie draft ie December 1999, so his numbers aren't in the international draftees total.

Edit This link has National Draft info of where players were drafted from - but no Pre Season draft info, (no mid season draft info in early 90's), no rookie draft info, no Zone selections and compo selections info when teams came into the comp during the 1980's and 1990's and the 2 new sides U/17 and zone selections, no academy selections info, or NSW scholarship info, or International players. Since 2009 national draft, rookie elevations have been given draft pick numbers.

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-history

 

[MP_]

RussellEbertHandball , love your stat work, you make reading this forum so much more interesting

 

[*PAF]

Using REH's stats

State    Players    Population    Rate per 1000
 
SA    187.0    1650.6    11.3
 
VIC    595.0    5603.1    10.6
 
NT    21.0    233.3    9.0
 
WA    201.0    2410.6    8.3
 
TAS    36.0    512.1    7.0
 
QLD    71.0    4537.7    1.6
 
NSW/ACT    40.0    7645.9    0.5

 

[pastmyprimus]

REH, thanks for going to all the trouble of putting that post together.

The stats for the Port Magpies tell an interesting story, as you say. I was a little surprised to see the Magpies topping the figures for average games per draftee at 67.1. The next best performer in SA was West Adelaide at only 39.8.

It's not the quantity that counts, but the quality.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

REH, thanks for going to all the trouble of putting that post together.

The stats for the Port Magpies tell an interesting story, as you say. I was a little surprised to see the Magpies topping the figures for average games per draftee at 67.1. The next best performer in SA was West Adelaide at only 39.8.

It's not the quantity that counts, but the quality.

I put the post up in TPFP in mid 2011 in a thread about all the Magpies drafted since 1986, but this is the 16 included on the list and 5 that hadn't played a game since 2000. The Bendigo pioneers in the naughties were a lot like Port, quality players over quanity.

TAC………… # dft Ave ..0 50 100 150 200+ .1-49 % 0 GM
Bendigo……... 24 53.9 ..6 .2... 6... 1... 0....... 9 25.0%
Port Magpies. 16 67.1 ..5 .2... 1... 4.... 0...... 4 31.3%


There obviously is some skewing because none of 2010 draftees had played a game and very few of the 2009 draftees had debuted or played many games so if a club provided a lot of players in those 2 years compared to the other 9 then their numbers look poor.

Edit For those who haven't read post #198,
This covers from and includes the 2000 National Draft + 2001 Preseason draft to 2001 Rookie draft to the 2010 National Draft + 2011 Preseason draft to 2011 Rookie draft. The reason the PSD and Rookie draft vary slightly is a carry over from when the PSD and Rookie draft happened in February not December.

So games played at the end of 2010 season

Alan DIDAK 2000 National 3 Collingwood ********** 182
Shaun BURGOYNE 2000 National 12 Port Adelaide**** 173
Scott THOMPSON 2000 National 16 Melbourne******* 176
Graham JOHNCOCK 2000 National 67 Adelaide ****** 184

Brett EBERT 2002 National 42 F-S Port Adelaide ***** 138
Matthew LOKAN 2002 National 70 Collingwood ****** 46

Harry MILLER 2003 National 25 Hawthorn ********** 18

Tim HUTCHISON 2005 National 69 Kangaroos ******** 0

Lindsay THOMAS 2006 National 53 Kangaroos ******* 72
Isaac WEETRA 2006 National 62 Melbourne ********** 2

Brad EBERT 2007 National 13 West Coast ********** 54
Levi GREENWOOD 2007 National 32 Kangaroos ****** 28

Scott LYCETT 2010 National 29 West Coast Eagles **** 0

That is 13 players and only 2 with zero games. If they also include all the 2011 rookie picks in that list, then we get to 16 and 5 players with zero games
2011 Rookie draft
15 Tim Milera - Adelaide
38 Ben Haren - Sydney
52 Derick Wanganeen - Hawthorn

If you ignore the 3 rookies who might only last one year before they are cut the average increases to 82.5 and if Lycett is ignored the average is 89.4.

2000 Rookie draft was december 1999 so outside these stats
Troy BROADBRIDGE 2000 Rookie Elevation Melbourne* 40

From what I can work out only Rookies who have been elevated or played at least 1 game are included in these totals as the total players is 950 over 11 drafts ie approx 85 per year. As usually 75 players are drafted at the national draft, 5 to 10 at the PSD and 60-80 rookies, I reckon it only includes those elevated and/or played 1 game except for 2011. I think it includes all the 2011 Rookies drafted because as reconciled the 16 Magpies draftees and it has to include the 2011 Rookies to make any sense.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Calder Cannons have the most players drafted or rookie listed with 67 or 6 per draft year.

Calder have 4 of 67 make it to 150, the Magpies 4 of 16. Bendigo have more than a quarter of their draftees play 100 games. 6 of 24 have played 100-149 and 1 has played between 150-199 games.

Looks like the money spent on Qld is starting to pay off with 71 players having been drafted.

 

[Oliver King]

What about Corey Enright?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Bendigo Pioneers draftees between Nov 2000 and Dec 2010

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-3020-0-206344-0&sID=107185


2000: Luke Livingston 46, Daniel Harris 149, Joshua Hunt 146, Callan Beasy 13
2001: Nick Dal Santo 193, Ashley Watson 7, Rick Ladson 115, Daniel Elstone 0, Hugh Foott 0,
2002: Adam Selwood 133, Josh Thewlis 2, Troy Selwood 75
2003: Andrew Walker 103, Colin Sylvia 102
2004: -
2005: Travis Baird (rookie) 5
2006: Joel Selwood 94, Daniel Connors 24, Andrew Collins 25
2007: Robbie Tarrant 2, Scott Selwood 43, Toby Thoolen 0, Eljay Connors 0
2008: -
2009: Dustin Martin 21, Jordan Williams 0
2010: Ariel Steinberg 0

Ok that's 25 not 24 and they didn't have any rookies drafted in (Dec 2010) 2011 rookie draft..

Edit I have included games by the end of 2010.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

What about Corey Enright?

Read closely! It is Inside football's list from November 2000 draft to December 2010 rookie draft.

When was Corey Enright drafted??? 1999 ND

 

[Oliver King]

Haha. My error was that he debuted in 2001, not drafted. Carry on.

Also, I never read closely. I skim.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Created this thread from REH's fascinating and hard work in presenting football stats relating to football productivity from clubs and leagues. Blame the subbie for the thread heading.

I was so disappointed Hugh Foott never made it.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I know this was moved from the Oliver Wines thread but the Bendigo Pioneers produces its fair share of hard nuts:

Daniel Harris, Josh Hunt, 4 x Selwood brothers, Colin Slyvia, Dustin Martin and even Daniel Connors. All are good sized country lads. hope Ollie follows in their footsteps.

The one exception is Nick Dal Softo.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This draft

Bendigo 2 - hard bastards Stringer and Wines
Calder 7
Dandenong 4
Eastern 0
Geelong Fal 2
Gippsland 2
Murray Bush 2
Nth Ballart 4
Northern Kn 3
Oakleigh 3
Sandringham 2
Western Jets 2
Total 34

WAFL
East Freo 4
East Perth 2
Peel 1
Perth 2
South Freo 2
Total 11

Cent 1
Glng 3
NA 1
Nor 2
PA 1
SA 0
ST 2
WA 1
WWT 3
Total 14

AFL 5 players drafted 4 from 1 club to another and Hawks re drafted Michael Osborne

VFL 2
TFL 3
AFLQld 1

Total 34+5+11+14+2+3=1 = 70
24 rookies were promoted
13 picks passed on
= 107 picks as pick 107 by Sydney for Harry Cunningham was the last pick

In the PSD there will be 13 potential picks
GWS 2, WB 1, PA 1, Rich 2, Ess 1, Clt 2, Col 1, Syd 3.

Will get around to summarising 2011 draft especially once I work out what to do with U/17 and zone picks.

 

[pastmyprimus]

I'm expecting to see the average games per player drop off for Port in the coming years.

A core group of players who regularly rack-up good game numbers year-in year-out have either just retired or are nearing retirement: Alan Didak, Shaun Burgoyne, Scott Thompson and Graham Joncock. And we don't seem to have other players to take up the slack.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I'm expecting to see the average games per player drop off for Port in the coming years.

A core group of players who regularly rack-up good game numbers year-in year-out have either just retired or are nearing retirement: Alan Didak, Shaun Burgoyne, Scott Thompson and Graham Joncock. And we don't seem to have other players to take up the slack.

I guess those 4 also benefit from lots of funds in the junior program as we built up for our entry into the AFL. There were some blurred lines those first few years of the split.

I suspect its got more to do with $$$ drying up and not being ploughed into development than the gene pool breaking down.

 

[Natman]

This draft

Bendigo 2 - hard bastards Stringer and Wines
Calder 7
Dandenong 4
Eastern 0
Geelong Fal 2
Gippsland 2
Murray Bush 2
Nth Ballart 4
Northern Kn 3
Oakleigh 3
Sandringham 2
Western Jets 2
Total 34

WAFL
East Freo 4
East Perth 2
Peel 1
Perth 2
South Freo 2
Total 11

Cent 1
Glng 3
NA 1
Nor 2
PA 2
SA 0
ST 2
WA 1
WWT 3
Total 14

AFL 5 players drafted 4 from 1 club to another and Hawks re drafted Michael Osborne

VFL 2
TFL 3
AFLQld 1

Total 34+5+11+14+2+3=1 = 70
24 rookies were promoted
13 picks passed on
= 107 picks as pick 107 by Sydney for Harry Cunningham was the last pick

In the PSD there will be 13 potential picks
GWS 2, WB 1, PA 1, Rich 2, Ess 1, Clt 2, Col 1, Syd 3.

Will get around to summarising 2011 draft especially once I work out what to do with U/17 and zone picks.

Who was the second Magpie to get drafted?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Who was the second Magpie to get drafted?

I was guessing Ben Jacobs. Is it safe to mention him?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Who was the second Magpie to get drafted?

Thanks for picking up the error, it was just 1 and 14 SA kids in total were drafted for the first time.

 

[Natman]

Thanks for picking up the error, it was just 1 and 14 SA kids in total were drafted for the first time.

I must admit that I was a bit scared when I posted

 

[Canoogs]

I've always thought of South Adelaide as a pretty bad team, but I'm surprised that the stats show that they're the worst in the country for producing young talent. Nine draftees and only two of them played more than 50 games!

 

[Forzaport]

^ tribey "my Tribey senses are tingling"

 

[tribey]

^ tribey "my Tribey senses are tingling"

Yes. South and Centrals can GTFO.

Only Port, West, WWT and Norwood deserve any credit for winning flags - or getting close - in spite of being pillaged due to their excellent youth development.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I've always thought of South Adelaide as a pretty bad team, but I'm surprised that the stats show that they're the worst in the country for producing young talent. Nine draftees and only two of them played more than 50 games!

South have dropped away but in the 1990's their no.s weren't great but their quality was better.

This footy geek website which stopped in 2007 had some great footy factories stats up to the 2004 draft.

South's 23 players had played 1028 vs Central's 43 had played 1024.

http://footygeek.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1892&Itemid=81

Although Bickley's 272 + Smart's 278 probably skew things a little.

 

[Canoogs]

Yes. South and Centrals can GTFO.

Only Port, West, WWT and Norwood deserve any credit for winning flags - or getting close - in spite of being pillaged due to their excellent youth development.

In my experience, I'd also found that North's junior development (by which I mean Under 15s and below) during the 00s was right up there with some of the best clubs. Centrals was (and I assume still is after I moved away) an absolute wasteland. I never had much to do with Souths, but the junior football carnivals up in the Centrals areas were always terribly run, and provided little benefit to no-one, and least of all the kids playing.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

2014 National Draft

TAC Cup - 44
Geelong Falcons 5 - # 1,21,49,51 and 62
Eastern Rangers 2 - #2 and 25
Sandringham Dr 5 - 3,30,36,54 and 58
Oakleigh Chargers 5 - 5,9,22,26 and 50
Murray Bushrangers 4 6,31,52 and 56
Calder Cannons. 7 - 7,8,14,29,48,63 and 66
Western Jets.... 5 - 11,12,18,28 and 33
Northern Knights 2 - 17 and 77
Gippsland Power 2 - 27 and 59
Dandenong Sting 3 - 32, 41 and 45
North Ballarat.. 3 - 53,67 and 78
Bendigo Pioneers 1 - 73

WAFL - 9
South Freo 3 - 4,15 and 84
Swan Dist 2 - 19 and 34
Claremont 2 - 43 and 76
Perth Demons 1 - 60
Subiaco 1 - 68

SANFL - 9
West 1 - 16
North 1 - 35
Sturt 2 - 37 and 55
Port 1 - 39
Glenelg 3 - 40,42 and 47
South 1 - 46

QLD - 3
Southport 1- 13
Aspley..... 2 - 44,61

NT - 1
NT Thunder - 10

NSW - 3
Cardiff - 18
Sydney Uni - 38
UniNSW/Easts - 70

ACT - 2
Belconnen 24 and 69

Vic country - 1
Grisbone - 23

Tassie - 2
Glenorchy - 65
Lauderdale - 81