The Liberal Party - How long?

[Donakebab]

Never forget - there are 13 unemployed Australians for every job listing.

But yeah, work is there if you want it. If you're unemployed it's because you're lazy.

I just don't get how they can say it was appropriate during the pandemic to have it at a higher rate, but now the poor folks who are still disadvantaged and can't find a job aren't as valuable to society to receive something that keeps them above the poverty line.

 

[E Shed]

Hopefully Craig Kelly finds out pretty quickly that, just like his fellow fanatic Bernadi without the machine behind him he's nothing.
People were voting for the brand not the local sales rep.

 

[madmug]

LNP majority looking a little 'thin', now that fatty Kelly has sat himself on two cross bench seats.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I just don't get how they can say it was appropriate during the pandemic to have it at a higher rate, but now the poor folks who are still disadvantaged and can't find a job aren't as valuable to society to receive something that keeps them above the poverty line.

Its also absurd that a nation like ours willingly put people back into poverty.

 

[Not Important]

But, but, what about 124?

The Lib - we feed you bullshit and you swallow it -eral Party.

A complete list of the Liberal Party’s corruption over the last 7 years

Everyone's banned so now we have to do hard hitting journalism

chaser.com.au

and people still vote for this mob in numbers. go figure.

 

[Caesar]

I just don't get how they can say it was appropriate during the pandemic to have it at a higher rate, but now the poor folks who are still disadvantaged and can't find a job aren't as valuable to society to receive something that keeps them above the poverty line.

Because the primary rationale for the JobKeeper supplement was never social, it was economic. Its purpose was to inject more money into the economy at its nadir, not generally raise the living standards of the unemployed

Of course the latter was a convenient and politically expedient benefit at a time when vast numbers of voters were being laid off, and no doubt a factor in the government's decisionmaking

Hopefully the people who experienced unemployment on the JobKeeper supplement last year remember how screwed they would have been without it, and we at least get an increase in pressure to raise the dole permanently

 

[Donakebab]

Because the primary rationale for the JobKeeper supplement was never social, it was economic. Its purpose was to inject more money into the economy at its nadir, not generally raise the living standards of the unemployed

Of course the latter was a convenient and politically expedient benefit at a time when vast numbers of voters were being laid off, and no doubt a factor in the government's decisionmaking

Hopefully the people who experienced unemployment on the JobKeeper supplement last year remember how screwed they would have been without it, and we at least get an increase in pressure to raise the dole permanently

Except the economics all point towards a greater increase to social welfare will be result in a significant net positive boost to the economy and help lift people out of entrenched intergenerational poverty. This is purely political, as always. The LNP must be seen to be punching down on those undesirable dole bludgers.

 

[Caesar]

Except the economics all point towards a greater increase to social welfare will be result in a significant net positive boost to the economy and help lift people out of entrenched intergenerational poverty. This is purely political, as always. The LNP must be seen to be punching down on those undesirable dole bludgers.

That is a different discussion to the one you initially posited though

The Coalition's position has consistently been that JobKeeper is mostly at the right level from an economic perspective and the supplement was a temporary counter-cyclical fiscal measure to cope with the worst of the crisis. Under that position, ending the supplement and returning to the status quo as the economic situation improves makes sense (even if it's debateable whether they are doing so too quickly)

social concerns raised in your initial post, like the dole being below the poverty line, don't enter into the reasoning and don't negate the logic

FWIW I agree that JobKeeper is way too low, and requires addressing on a structural level

 

[NSWCROW]

Grimlock gets up on indulgence and says he quit the libs because he's been smeared


Can anyone find me ANY evidence of ANY liberal bootlicker smearing him ?????


*en moron

 

[NSWCROW]

Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig shock here

That hillbilly mutt canavan didn't want ANY increase in Jobseeker


Anyone actually shocked at this ?

 

[NSWCROW]

Sounds like this *head wouldn't ditch the sleazy prick in his office

 

[DaRick]

Hopefully Craig Kelly finds out pretty quickly that, just like his fellow fanatic Bernadi without the machine behind him he's nothing.
People were voting for the brand not the local sales rep.

Wonder whether he'll turn from Sky After Dark's BFF to their mortal enemy?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I just don't get how they can say it was appropriate during the pandemic to have it at a higher rate, but now the poor folks who are still disadvantaged and can't find a job aren't as valuable to society to receive something that keeps them above the poverty line.

Well we're talking about a "government" that made the biggest accounting mistake in Australia's history - overbudgeting JobKeeper by $60 billion, and then, rather than keep to their original commitment, reduced JobKeeper by the $60 bil and called it a "savings".

 

[Balls In]

If you're unemployed it's because you're lazy.

Correct

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Correct

So there are 15 applicants for 1 job right now

Is that laziness from the government to create a good economy?

If you belive that the unemployed are lazy, start smashing out job applications and give us your results.

 

[NSWCROW]

Correct

 

[Magruder]

The conflict seems to be telling her to to the police and leaving at that.

There was no cover up. Just poor handling. Scomo wasn't personal involved just the defence minster. And he wasn't notified.

Obviously staffers felt she was being a burden and she wasn't heard and was brushed away by them saying go to police.

The guy who raped higgen resigned. So no furthur discipline could be had against the guy.

I’m sure someone has already taken this apart.

but FMD ... surely this is a parody post?

 

[Magruder]

Um, I'm not very meme-literate. Don't even watch much telly. Who diss?

anyone?,anyone?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

anyone?,anyone?

Yep, eventually I got it

 

[Magruder]

That is a different discussion to the one you initially posited though

The Coalition's position has consistently been that JobKeeper is mostly at the right level from an economic perspective and the supplement was a temporary counter-cyclical fiscal measure to cope with the worst of the crisis. Under that position, ending the supplement and returning to the status quo as the economic situation improves makes sense (even if it's debateable whether they are doing so too quickly)

social concerns raised in your initial post, like the dole being below the poverty line, don't enter into the reasoning and don't negate the logic

FWIW I agree that JobKeeper is way too low, and requires addressing on a structural level

I undrstand you are giving us your take on the government position but...

Nothing counter cyclical about job keeper.
RBA increasingly opting for QE with spluttering indicators and likely limited net growth over the next 5-10.

massive stimulus and a wholesale economic reboot based on returning productivity gains to wages is required.

Drive up aggregate demand and returns based on value created rather than on speculative rent seeking.


not the back in black crap we get from this govt

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

 

[Jascave]

To say that the Liberals at state level across Australia would be nervous about the WA State Election is an understatement.

If the WA Liberals get smashed to bits by Mark McGowan, then Liberals state leaders across Australia like Michael O'Brien in Victoria will be on high alert, because there's a very good chance the Vic Liberals will suffer the same fate in November next year.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

To say that the Liberals at state level across Australia would be nervous about the WA State Election is an understatement.

If the WA Liberals get smashed to bits by Mark McGowan, then Liberals state leaders across Australia like Michael O'Brien in Victoria will be on high alert, because there's a very good chance the Vic Liberals will suffer the same fate in November next year.

state elections are about state issues

always has been. always will be

wa will mean nothing in the other states

 

[Forward Press]

To say that the Liberals at state level across Australia would be nervous about the WA State Election is an understatement.

If the WA Liberals get smashed to bits by Mark McGowan, then Liberals state leaders across Australia like Michael O'Brien in Victoria will be on high alert, because there's a very good chance the Vic Liberals will suffer the same fate in November next year.

The WA Liberals will be getting smashed (even the Lib advertising here has conceded that point), but it won't reflect poorly on the other State Lib parties - this election will be fought almost entirely on McGowan's COVID response, most other issues have struggled to get traction in the polls.

 

[mill204]

The WA Liberals will be getting smashed (even the Lib advertising here has conceded that point), but it won't reflect poorly on the other State Lib parties - this election will be fought almost entirely on McGowan's COVID response, most other issues have struggled to get traction in the polls.

Wasn't his popularity very high before COVID? Think it was. It's just his COVID response so pleased the sandgropers it lifted the popularity of an already very popular Premier to new heights.