Anthony Albanese - How long?

[Chief Ten Beers]

Not only is Albo letting in too many people to kill the middle class in Australia, stifle access to first home buyers and cripple renters and mortgage payers...


They're also letting in crooks

"Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles has reiterated public safety is the government's priority after criminals were among asylum seekers released into the community, following a High Court ruling.

He was speaking with Today this morning as the government grapples with the court decision that overturned a nearly 20-year precedent that allowed Australia to indefinitely detain asylum seekers who failed character assessments but were unable to be deported."



Defend this government to the death die hards.

 

[spinynorman]

Unsurprisingly you missed the point entirely and responded with meaningless political rhetoric.

So how about some facts.

In the 18 months since being elected the current government..

- repaired fractured relations with our south pacific neighbours that were at real risk of becoming Chinese forward bases due to the inaction of the previous government;

- restored diplomatic relations with China that has seen the removal of crippling trade sanctions that cost Australia $20 billion/year in lost export revenue;

- passed climate change legislation that finally recognised the devastating effects of global warming and will enshrine into law an emissions reduction targets.

- introduced legislation leading to the biggest overhaul of the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme this century with changes in pricing and dispensing laws that immediately reduced the cost of PBS medications to all Australians by 29%

- as part of a $1.5 billion program, have increased bulk billing co-payment to doctors by 34% in major cities and 50% in regional areas making health care more affordable to veterans, pensioners, ckids under 16, pensioners, concession card holers and other low income and vulnerable Australians.

- implemented a Royal Commission into the illegal and immoral RoboDebt Scheme of the previous coalition government that exposed the lies and complicity of the former PM and his cabinet and top public servants. The Government has committed to implementing ALL of the recommendations from that report.

- passed landmark legislation to deliver the single biggest investment in affordable and social housing in more than a decade and reached agreement with the states and territories in National Cabinet to reform state rental legislation and the introduction of reforms around planning, land release and boosting renters rights.

- etc, etc.

Many of these reforms have been forgotten or gone un-noticed in the media press where the focus has been on coalition led mis-information and politically motivated naysaying.

And while it is correct to say that the government should have gone much further in implementing major reforms in the the first 18 months of its term (especially in energy pricing and housing policy reform), it is simply a lie to say that nothing has been achieved to make peoples' lives better. The simple fact is that first year and a half has seen more done to improve the lives of low income Australians than anything done in the decade of Abbot/Turnbull/Morrison government.

The sad fact is that the hard stuff on policy reform takes years not months and our 3 year election cycle and a cynical sensationalist media places a focus on populism which leads to short sighted self serving policies - such as the State 3 tax cuts legislated by the Morrison government and committed to by the ALP in its election promises to avoid a political wedge trap set by Morrison and the Murdoch press. Those tax cuts- benefitting the most well off in the community will cost a staggering $313 Billion over 10 years. A bloody disgrace.

But yeah - you keep us updated on the opinion polls. Because that's what matters to making 'people's lives better'.

In bolding my reply you missed the first part of my line, and so I again show the full line: "inspiring the population into being invested in the government’s ambitions to make people’s lives better, and neither achieving anything except a continued slide to serfdom". You then made a forceful argument for things they are doing to make people's lives better; most of it a worthwhile piecemeal step that, as Gralin showed, is a far cry from what is required. None of it are examples of them inspiring the population into being invested in their ambitions though, which is my point - there's no largescale program to make people feel like they need to be a part of this movement. Rudd attempted that with the NBN, Whitlam with Medibank. Albanese doesn't have even the pretense of that, despite the challenges in society today being greater even than what they were in 2007 or 1972.

I've been a Labor Party member. You don't need to convince me the Coalition are bad, or that they're worse than Labor. But if you're set on convincing people that things are better, actually, they just need to consume the media better, when cost of living is clearly hitting everyone, and the polling reflects that (the poll also said most people think the country is in headed in the wrong direction). The RBA's forecasts don't have inflation back into the target band for another two years. Policy reform takes as long as the political class desires it to.

Given large corporations can pay enormous sums for access to Labor frontbenchers, is some degree of cynicism to the question of how much they're in favour of labour over capital not warranted?

 

[spinynorman]

Not only is Albo letting in too many people to kill the middle class in Australia, stifle access to first home buyers and cripple renters and mortgage payers...

If you actually support people having the right to improve their lot in life, that includes people outside Australia. Denying people the right to migrate to Australia isn't going to stop the same handful of people buying up enormous amounts of housing, which continued to remain unaffordable during the pandemic when migration was zero. Migration as the cause of this issue is a furphy when considering negative gearing etc.

They're also letting in crooks

"Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles has reiterated public safety is the government's priority after criminals were among asylum seekers released into the community, following a High Court ruling.

He was speaking with Today this morning as the government grapples with the court decision that overturned a nearly 20-year precedent that allowed Australia to indefinitely detain asylum seekers who failed character assessments but were unable to be deported."



Defend this government to the death die hards.

I'm not sure you understand what a court ruling means. Perhaps two decades of governments shouldn't have been indefinitely detaining asylum seekers and actually worked within the law for a way of addressing this issue humanely and fairly.

 

[Gralin]

In bolding my reply you missed the first part of my line, and so I again show the full line: "inspiring the population into being invested in the government’s ambitions to make people’s lives better, and neither achieving anything except a continued slide to serfdom". You then made a forceful argument for things they are doing to make people's lives better; most of it a worthwhile piecemeal step that, as Gralin showed, is a far cry from what is required. None of it are examples of them inspiring the population into being invested in their ambitions though, which is my point - there's no largescale program to make people feel like they need to be a part of this movement. Rudd attempted that with the NBN, Whitlam with Medibank. Albanese doesn't have even the pretense of that, despite the challenges in society today being greater even than what they were in 2007 or 1972.

I've been a Labor Party member. You don't need to convince me the Coalition are bad, or that they're worse than Labor. But if you're set on convincing people that things are better, actually, they just need to consume the media better, when cost of living is clearly hitting everyone, and the polling reflects that (the poll also said most people think the country is in headed in the wrong direction). The RBA's forecasts don't have inflation back into the target band for another two years. Policy reform takes as long as the political class desires it to.

Given large corporations can pay enormous sums for access to Labor frontbenchers, is some degree of cynicism to the question of how much they're in favour of labour over capital not warranted?

Albo has "fiscal responsibility"

 

[Vindicater]

Not only is Albo letting in too many people to kill the middle class in Australia, stifle access to first home buyers and cripple renters and mortgage payers...


They're also letting in crooks

"Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles has reiterated public safety is the government's priority after criminals were among asylum seekers released into the community, following a High Court ruling.

He was speaking with Today this morning as the government grapples with the court decision that overturned a nearly 20-year precedent that allowed Australia to indefinitely detain asylum seekers who failed character assessments but were unable to be deported."



Defend this government to the death die hards.

We just had fastest wage growth in the last 30 years and the ABS stated it was because of government measures.

Inflation (which started going up in the last governments term) steadily coming down as well also due to government measures.

 

[jatz14]

True but it would help if our pollies actually thought long term and in in the national interest rather than just about how to win 76 seats at the next election.

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In Australia, political parties that do that are unelectable.

Imagine having a policy that will produce benefits in 10 years time (possibly when your opponent is in office, and who will take credit), but which produces no immediate benefit, or worse, short term pain.

What would BF look like 3 months after they took power. Incompetent, useless, disaster, not voting for them again.

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[Gralin]

In Australia, political parties that do that are unelectable.

Imagine having a policy that will produce benefits in 10 years time (possibly when your opponent is in office, and who will take credit), but which produces no immediate benefit, or worse, short term pain.

What would BF look like 3 months after they took power. Incompetent, useless, disaster, not voting for them again.

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when in opposition "the government should take action now"
when in power "these things take time"

both parties do this

 

[jatz14]

Not only is Albo letting in too many people to kill the middle class in Australia, stifle access to first home buyers and cripple renters and mortgage payers...


They're also letting in crooks

"Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles has reiterated public safety is the government's priority after criminals were among asylum seekers released into the community, following a High Court ruling.

He was speaking with Today this morning as the government grapples with the court decision that overturned a nearly 20-year precedent that allowed Australia to indefinitely detain asylum seekers who failed character assessments but were unable to be deported."



Defend this government to the death die hards.

So, the courts forced the government to stop acting illegally, and as a consequence, criminals that came here under the LNP are going to be released.

If only the LNP was able to do something legal to deal with the issue properly at the time.

And it's Albo's fault.

All righty then.

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[Gralin]

both parties are also able to move quickly on stuff they want to

 

[jatz14]

when in opposition "the government should take action now"
when in power "these things take time"

both parties do this

Yes, and it's our fault. They behave the way they behave because that's the way you get Australians to vote for you.

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[Gralin]

Yes, and it's our fault. They behave the way they behave because that's the way you get Australians to vote for you.

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well we've had decades of the political class and media selling us on it, we've been trained to be selfish and short term thinkers

and they put policy in place to put pressure on us so we can't think long term

sure we get what we vote for but the system is setup so that its pretty much impossible not to get them

 

[Rotayjay]

To what extent would it damage Albanese and Labor if:

• the Stage Three tax cuts were scrapped altogether
• or the Stage Three tax cuts were modified so they flow through to low-and-middle income earners rather than high earners?

Unfortunately in my view the Coalition and its media partners would very successfully milk it. 'Abanese can't be trusted! Labor's broken promise, Labor's broken promise, Labor's broken promise, higher taxes for working families doing it tough' ...

We could make most Australians richer and still save billions — it's not too late to fix the stage 3 tax cuts

What if the government kept the stage 3 tax cuts, but reoriented them to Australians who actually need them, asks Peter Martin.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Gralin]

both parties are also able to move quickly on stuff they want to

oh look

Immigration detention: Labor to rush through emergency legislation after high court ruling

Home affairs minister says it’s ‘garbage’ that legislation could completely reverse high court decision that led to 83 leaving immigration detention

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gralin]

To what extent would it damage Albanese and Labor if:

• the Stage Three tax cuts were scrapped altogether
• or the Stage Three tax cuts were modified so they flow through to low-and-middle income earners rather than high earners?

Unfortunately in my view the Coalition and its media partners would very successfully milk it. 'Abanese can't be trusted! Labor's broken promise, Labor's broken promise, Labor's broken promise, higher taxes for working families doing it tough' ...

We could make most Australians richer and still save billions — it's not too late to fix the stage 3 tax cuts

What if the government kept the stage 3 tax cuts, but reoriented them to Australians who actually need them, asks Peter Martin.

www.abc.net.au

option b would be the smart choice and I think the right choice

 

[JackOutback]

Not only is Albo letting in too many people to kill the middle class in Australia, stifle access to first home buyers and cripple renters and mortgage payers...


They're also letting in crooks

"Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles has reiterated public safety is the government's priority after criminals were among asylum seekers released into the community, following a High Court ruling.

He was speaking with Today this morning as the government grapples with the court decision that overturned a nearly 20-year precedent that allowed Australia to indefinitely detain asylum seekers who failed character assessments but were unable to be deported."



Defend this government to the death die hards.

I mean, Labor have been complicit in these policies ever since they failed to argue the moral high ground, but let's be clear... the indefinite detention that the High Court found to be illegal was created by the Liberal National Government, the visa cancellations that resulted in them being detained indefinitely was done by the Liberal National Government and all of the criminals kept indefinitely that had to be released arrived prior to the current government. But go on, defend that previous government to the death, die hard.

 

[Bloods86]

To what extent would it damage Albanese and Labor if:

• the Stage Three tax cuts were scrapped altogether
• or the Stage Three tax cuts were modified so they flow through to low-and-middle income earners rather than high earners?

Unfortunately in my view the Coalition and its media partners would very successfully milk it. 'Abanese can't be trusted! Labor's broken promise, Labor's broken promise, Labor's broken promise, higher taxes for working families doing it tough' ...

We could make most Australians richer and still save billions — it's not too late to fix the stage 3 tax cuts

What if the government kept the stage 3 tax cuts, but reoriented them to Australians who actually need them, asks Peter Martin.

www.abc.net.au

The 2nd option. Benefits to lower/middle income earners.

Yeah, much of the media would meltdown or cover it lazily, but hopefully the message gets through enough.

Labor needs to front up, explain that in the current climate the current Stage 3 changes are not the best course of action, and apologise that it's a broken promise. Make it very clear it's a redirect to where it's most needed. And then if Dutton and friends in the media kick up about it, paint them as wealthy, out of touch. Go hard.

 

[nut]

Wages rising … albos fault?

Wages grew by 1.3% for Australian workers in the September quarter amid tight labour market | Australia news | The Guardian

Wage price index increase in line with expectations as Fair Work minimum wage decision helped pay packets close gap with inflation<br><br>

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Balls In]

What has Albo implemented that is causing inflation?
Which country is dealing with inflation better? And what should Albo copy from these countries?

Every developed country is dealing with inflation better. Did you not see how we've had the sharpest drop in real incomes by some margin?

In terms of their policies Labor's record immigration is turbo charging housing costs, their energy policy drives up the cost of power, their industrial relations policy is driving down productivity, they have massively increased red tape and reinstated the full whack of Commonwealth taxes on fuel which drives up the cost of everything.

 

[nut]

Every developed country is dealing with inflation better we've had the sharpest drop in real incomes of all.

In terms of their policies Labor's record immigration is turbo charging housing costs, their energy policy drives up the cost of power, their industrial relations policy is driving down productivity, they have massively increased red tape and reinstated the full whack of Commonwealth taxes on fuel which drives up the cost of everything.

So relaxing lending rules, against the banking royal commission recommendations, in the middle of a pandemic was fine?
The fuel tax was a temporary measure…

LNP= blame immigrants and poor people.

 

[Balls In]

How stupid we are as citizens where we think relaxing fuel "taxes" in a cost of living crisis is a "cost" and that tax bracket creep should never be adjusted. Stage 3 tax "cuts" are no such thing despite how politicians want to misrepresent what they are.

 

[JackOutback]

How stupid we are as citizens where we think relaxing fuel "taxes" in a cost of living crisis is a "cost" and that tax bracket creep should never be adjusted while blood sucking politicians misrepresent by referring as a (ie stage 3) tax "cut".

$45,000 to $200,000 is a pretty big 'creep'.

 

[nut]

How stupid we are as citizens where we think relaxing fuel "taxes" in a cost of living crisis is a "cost" and that tax bracket creep should never be adjusted because politicians refer to that as a (stage 3) tax "cut".

You sound like someone who also complains about potholes

 

[Balls In]

You sound like someone who also complains about potholes

Not so much, however I am a tad miffed at the 80 hard core criminals, murderers, rapists and pedophiles Albo released with $10,000 each and lifetime Newstart.

 

[JackOutback]

Not so much however I am a bit miffed at the 80 hard core criminals, murderers, rapists and pedophiles Albo released with $10,000 each and lifetime Newstart.

Albo released? Not the High Court that ruled the indefinite detention illegal? Not the Liberal National Government that drafted the policy deemed to be illegal.

Mate, you're not even trying hard anymore. It's getting embarrassing.

 

[Balls In]

Albo released? Not the High Court that ruled the indefinite detention illegal? Not the Liberal National Government that drafted the policy deemed to be illegal.

Mate, you're not even trying hard anymore. It's getting embarrassing.

Yeah Labor just keep being the victim of economic and immigration clusters totally not of their making. Over and over and over and over ...