Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[WalshistheGOAT]

Also events in game.

For example, ACL to Coleman for Brisbane in Round 0, 3 x in-game injuries to Richmond in round 1, Dissentgate in the Freo game, etc...

Yep, scratch the Pies win vs the Crows. Rankine running too far farce etc...

 

[Arr0w]

I'm still shocked that we aren't 16th and Pies aren't on top

Injuries, draw, umpiring?

 

[Aphrodite]

#Imfadgening

 

[Fadge]

No not this time fella.
It was a Carlton fan sooking over how hard Carlton's draw has been compared to Collingwood.

Personally, I think it is fairly even thus far and there is still half a season to go, so it is a mute point.

Carlton have had significantly harder draws than Collingwood for the majority of this century.

77% of Carlton's matches have been against teams above them on the ladder, whereas only 26% of Collingwood's matches have been against teams above them on the ladder...

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[T2B_]

Also events in game.

For example, ACL to Coleman for Brisbane in Round 0, 3 x in-game injuries to Richmond in round 1, Dissentgate in the Freo game, etc...

That's just the luck that happens to the good teams!

 

[Fadge]

You do this every year and it is meaningless - did Carlton not lose an important player to an ACL in Opening Round as well? Have Carlton (like every other team) not had games where they have lost multiple players mid-game? Have Carlton (like every other team) not had umpiring go against them? Answer is yes to all of them - just try and open the other eye for once.

Go on, do the analysis and let me know how far ahead on the ledger Carlton are this year for all three scenarios...

In the same way they were in 2023.

But it's great, means there's at least one team who will be easy pickings in the finals (if they get there).

 

[carlton_99]

Go on, do the analysis and let me know how far ahead on the ledger Carlton are this year for all three scenarios...

In the same way they were in 2023.

But it's great, means there's at least one team who will be easy pickings in the finals (if they get there).

Haha what are you talking about. You cherry picking events is not analysis - it's just bias. These events happen in most game it's swings and roundabouts

 

[Fadge]

That's just the luck that happens to the good teams!

'The more brown paper bags we give to the umpires, the luckier we get...'

 

[Aphrodite]

We recycle!

 

[carlton_99]

'The more brown paper bags we give to the umpires, the luckier we get...'

Yeh Carlton have received a really good run with umpires in recent history. That's why we have all this success to show for it

 

[jakson68]

Carlton have had significantly harder draws than Collingwood for the majority of this century.

77% of Carlton's matches have been against teams above them on the ladder, whereas only 26% of Collingwood's matches have been against teams above them on the ladder...

Well that just seems unfair
No wonder they are complaining.

I guess it is easier to be playing teams higher on the ladder, when you are holding it up most years.

 

[Arr0w]

'The more brown paper bags we give to the umpires, the luckier we get...'

Love it, now it's crypto, much harder to track

Unless you are Ned Guy

 

[carlton_99]

Oh no Sam

 

[Attempted Moustache]

They are on top alright. On top of all sides outside of the 8. It's almost at hangover proportions now

Better to have a premiership hangover than be premiership teetotaller’s like the Blues.

 

[Arr0w]

Interesting stats

Against top 8 sides
Pies W2, L2, D2
Blues W4, L2

Against bottom 8 sides
Pies W4, L2
Blues W3, L1

Same amount of top 8 sides, Pies played 2 more against bottom 8 sides

Interesting

 

[carlton_99]

Interesting stats

Against top 8 sides
Pies W2, L2, D2
Blues W4, L2

Against bottom 8 sides
Pies W4, L2
Blues W3, L1

Same amount of top 8 sides, Pies played 2 more against bottom 8 sides

Interesting

If you go off opposition position at the start of the round the game was played in Carlton have played eight top-8 opponents (6W 2L) compared to Collingwood's five (2W 1D 2L) so far in 2024.

These opponents were:
Carlton ==> Lions (A)*, Dockers (GR), Giants, Cats, Dees, Swans (A), Suns and Port (A)
Collingwood ==> Giants (A)*, Swans, Port, Dons and Blues

*This is including Opening Round where both teams played interstate against a team that made it to at least a PF in 2023. If you want to exclude these it becomes seven for Carlton (5W 2L) compared to four for Collingwood (2W 1D 1L).

 

[Worm4]

Who cares about the unevenness of the draw. It's a thing. Collingwood get kissed every year . It is what it is.
Is the team who finishes lower now going to harp on about the lopsided draw ? FmD. Keep the excuses coming people.....

 

[BennyGFunk]

Interesting stats

Against top 8 sides
Pies W2, L2, D2
Blues W4, L2

Against bottom 8 sides
Pies W4, L2
Blues W3, L1

Same amount of top 8 sides, Pies played 2 more against bottom 8 sides

Interesting

See that’s actual real time data you can build a case on

Shame Fudge man can’t provide any real world analysis of any logic or significance

 

[Robertio]

Also events in game.

For example, ACL to Coleman for Brisbane in Round 0, 3 x in-game injuries to Richmond in round 1, Dissentgate in the Freo game, etc...

This is where you stuff up old mate, no mention of Docherty and his ACL and that he went off the same time as Coleman and seems you're using injuries as an excuse here, a hard no according to you not long ago.

 

[Robertio]

Who cares about the unevenness of the draw. It's a thing. Collingwood get kissed every year . It is what it is.
Is the team who finishes lower now going to harp on about the lopsided draw ? FmD. Keep the excuses coming people.....

The excuses are flowing now the tables are turned.

 

[Worm4]

This is where you stuff up old mate, no mention of Docherty and his ACL and that he went off the same time as Coleman and seems you're using injuries as an excuse here, a hard no according to you not long ago.

You won't get a retraction on that comment either. He will come up with other crap as a counter argument

 

[Robertio]

You won't get a retraction on that comment either. He will come up with other crap as a counter argument

He would make a perfect politician.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

This is where you stuff up old mate, no mention of Docherty and his ACL and that he went off the same time as Coleman and seems you're using injuries as an excuse here, a hard no according to you not long ago.

Don't expect a consistent argument, or deep insight from that poster.
They exist purely to troll Carlton threads.

 

[Cleansweep17]

All this “data” from pies supporters is funny.

The only bit of info you need to know is that the colliwobbles don’t do b2b’s anymore. Oh well at least they have draft night to look forward to [emoji106]