WRFL Div 2 Discussion 2024

[Dogs till i die]

Spent the day yesterday at North Sunshine v Laverton, there is some good people at North, doing their best.

Told their numbers this year are much better, even at training. They always fill 2 sides, incredibly.

Their obvious issue is quality, they're obviously battling. Heard how a few people have done a lot of work to re-establish 2 junior teams and working hard on their culture.

I think they are genuine in trying to build their club. Have a marquee on the outer side with some boisterous supporters, and talked to current players who grew up there. Had a couple of nice beers and food there, so go North.

Having said that, they do need to try and improve their competiveness, but who am I or anybody else, to tell them to fold or merge?

From Laverton's point of view, they now have a core of decent players and they have improved. Not long ago, these two teams used to trade wins against each other, Lavo now a mile in front. Could make it 3 in a row playing Heights at Merton Street next week.

 

[Avg at best]

Laverton go 3 in a row. Next week they play one of the top Div 2 sides (Sunshine). Am expecting it to be the usual slaughter that the big two have given Div 3 clubs but hopefully it turns out to be a good learning experience if they can take any positives away.

 

[carltonblues24]

Predictions Round 7

Nth Footscray 56 - Newport 186
Tarneit 13 - Albion 226
Braybrook 133 - Suns 78
Sunshine 265 - Laverton 8
Heights 37 - West F 145
North Sunshine 6 - Whyndhamvale 257
Rams 43 - Albanvale 174

What is everyone else thinking?

 

[Dogs till i die]

Predictions Round 7

Nth Footscray 56 - Newport 186
Tarneit 13 - Albion 226
Braybrook 133 - Suns 78
Sunshine 265 - Laverton 8
Heights 37 - West F 145
North Sunshine 6 - Whyndhamvale 257
Rams 43 - Albanvale 174

What is everyone else thinking?

Can't argue with your tips, think North will get a bit closer to Newport, Heights a bit closer to West, Lavo a bit closer to Sunshine and the Rams a bit closer to Albanvale but agree all others.

A good D2 last year now lopsided not helped with a poor draw by the League which has seen the 3 weakest teams North Sunny, Tarneit and the Rams all playing the top 4 by Round 6 and mostly doubling up again later in the year. Nonsensical.

 

[Avg at best]

Predictions Round 7

Nth Footscray 56 - Newport 186
Tarneit 13 - Albion 226
Braybrook 133 - Suns 78
Sunshine 265 - Laverton 8
Heights 37 - West F 145
North Sunshine 6 - Whyndhamvale 257
Rams 43 - Albanvale 174

What is everyone else thinking?

Its a fairly obvious round for tipping this week. However, didnt Heights beat West earlier in the year? Also expecting Braybrook v Suns to be a good game and could go either way.

 

[X_box_X]

Braybrook beating the Suns by over 10 goals? Surely not.

Suns are the better team, the home ground advantage just evens things up.

50/50 game for mine.

 

[churner]

Its a fairly obvious round for tipping this week. However, didnt Heights beat West earlier in the year? Also expecting Braybrook v Suns to be a good game and could go either way.

Heights haven't played West yet. They've only beaten Tarneit.

 

[Avg at best]

Heights haven't played West yet. They've only beaten Tarneit.

Ahh okay! Cheers for correcting

 

[Ryan17]

Its a fairly obvious round for tipping this week. However, didnt Heights beat West earlier in the year? Also expecting Braybrook v Suns to be a good game and could go either way.

West knocked Heights out in last year's finals so there should be some good spite at that game

 

[youraveragejoeblow2]

Thoughts on the rams result against albanvale?

 

[GlenOrdan]

Thoughts on the rams result against albanvale?

Inspiring.

I’m blown away about how they are getting there arses handed to them each week.

Can’t wait for the parade when they beat Nth Sunshine out the front of the caravan park.

 

[Dogs till i die]

100 year celebrations for Laverton FNC today at Merton St. and they wore their original Port Adelaide prison bar style jumpers. Good crowd there, many dressed in Lavo merchandise which looked like it arrived during the week. Think they've spent their whole 100 years at Merton St., anyone know what comp they played in considering they pre-date both the old FDL and WSFL?

Good vibe down there, never had live music being played during the game before, maybe timekeepers next to the music didn't appreciate it though.

4th win for Lavo going well, kicked the highest score this season against Sunshine last week bar Albion. Game played today in good spirits in fact I haven't seen any problems there for many years, a credit to them.

Tarneit kicked 11 goals probably appreciated playing a fellow ex D3 from 2023. Had some decent players, hopefully improve next season.

Potato cakes 7/10 at the canteen, coffee 6/10.

 

[Avg at best]

100 year celebrations for Laverton FNC today at Merton St. and they wore their original Port Adelaide prison bar style jumpers. Good crowd there, many dressed in Lavo merchandise which looked like it arrived during the week. Think they've spent their whole 100 years at Merton St., anyone know what comp they played in considering they pre-date both the old FDL and WSFL?

Good vibe down there, never had live music being played during the game before, maybe timekeepers next to the music didn't appreciate it though.

4th win for Lavo going well, kicked the highest score this season against Sunshine last week bar Albion. Game played today in good spirits in fact I haven't seen any problems there for many years, a credit to them.

Tarneit kicked 11 goals probably appreciated playing a fellow ex D3 from 2023. Had some decent players, hopefully improve next season.

Potato cakes 7/10 at the canteen, coffee 6/10.

Played at quite a few clubs and had the best time and met the best people down there at Merton Street. Speaking of the food, the late great Richie Goring (former president and probably saved the club) made up a dim sim roll which was 10/10. Spewin I wasn’t able to attend today!

 

[SeaSide]

Played at quite a few clubs and had the best time and met the best people down there at Merton Street. Speaking of the food, the late great Richie Goring (former president and probably saved the club) made up a dim sim roll which was 10/10. Spewin I wasn’t able to attend today!

 

[SeaSide]

Thank you DTID.
You have just deprived me of two hours of my life, but I have enjoyed researching your Laverton question.

The ‘Werribee District Football League,’ was formed in 1919 at the conclusion of the First World War.

In 1924 the Laverton Football Club was formed and played its first game in the Werribee DFL.

Teams that participated in the WDFL, although many arrived and left during different periods included: -
Combined Churches
Newport United
Williamstown Rovers
Wyndham
Little River
Newport

• Altona City (WFNL)
• Braybrook (WFNL)
• ICI Deer Park, now Deer Park (EDFL)
• Lara (GDFL)
• Laverton (WFNL)
• 
  
• Irish National Foresters
• Metro Farm
• Werribee South
• Services
• These four clubs united to form Werribee VFA in 1964

The Werribee District Football League, which evolved significantly over the years, changed its name to the Western Suburbs Football League in 1964 when four Werribee teams left to become the Werribee VFA Football Club. In 1998 the WSFL was subsumed into the Footscray District Football League, which now, as one entity, became the WRFL (now WFNL).

I started this when looking at the origin of the Laverton Football Club, thank you again Doggie Boy, but my research just took off. I’ll finish after a few more sentences: -

During the early to mid-1960s, whilst playing with Willi CYMS in the U18s Werribee DFL, I can remember playing teams such as Central Altona, West Newport, Yarraville YMCA, Newport as well as several listed above. My memory is limited as I’m now very old, therefore I’m happy to be corrected and my memory enhanced.

My research may not be 100% as football sites such as Wiki are filled only by club stalwarts, therefore there are many holes. Many clubs have had no history recorded which is a shame. I haven't been able to find anything on the Laverton guernseys, but someone will know?? Then I'll record it on Wikki.

As a request, should what I have written be NQR, please correct me, and I’ll contact the source and have them update.

 

[ROOS77]

Thank you DTID.
You have just deprived me of two hours of my life, but I have enjoyed researching your Laverton question.

The ‘Werribee District Football League,’ was formed in 1919 at the conclusion of the First World War.

In 1924 the Laverton Football Club was formed and played its first game in the Werribee DFL.

Teams that participated in the WDFL, although many arrived and left during different periods included: -
Combined Churches
Newport United
Williamstown Rovers
Wyndham
Little River
Newport

• Altona City (WFNL)
• Braybrook (WFNL)
• ICI Deer Park, now Deer Park (EDFL)
• Lara (GDFL)
• Laverton (WFNL)
• 
  
• Irish National Foresters
• Metro Farm
• Werribee South
• Services
• These four clubs united to form Werribee VFA in 1964

The Werribee District Football League, which evolved significantly over the years, changed its name to the Western Suburbs Football League in 1964 when four Werribee teams left to become the Werribee VFA Football Club. In 1998 the WSFL was subsumed into the Footscray District Football League, which now, as one entity, became the WRFL (now WFNL).

I started this when looking at the origin of the Laverton Football Club, thank you again Doggie Boy, but my research just took off. I’ll finish after a few more sentences: -

During the early to mid-1960s, whilst playing with Willi CYMS in the U18s Werribee DFL, I can remember playing teams such as Central Altona, West Newport, Yarraville YMCA, Newport as well as several listed above. My memory is limited as I’m now very old, therefore I’m happy to be corrected and my memory enhanced.

My research may not be 100% as football sites such as Wiki are filled only by club stalwarts, therefore there are many holes. Many clubs have had no history recorded which is a shame. I haven't been able to find anything on the Laverton guernseys, but someone will know?? Then I'll record it on Wikki.

As a request, should what I have written be NQR, please correct me, and I’ll contact the source and have them update.

Great insight, its sad all those clubs dont have their history online somewhere for us to read.

Also, the WSFL clubs went to the FDL in 1988 not 1998.....fat fingers ?? lol

 

[Dogs till i die]

Thank you DTID.
You have just deprived me of two hours of my life, but I have enjoyed researching your Laverton question.

The ‘Werribee District Football League,’ was formed in 1919 at the conclusion of the First World War.

In 1924 the Laverton Football Club was formed and played its first game in the Werribee DFL.

Teams that participated in the WDFL, although many arrived and left during different periods included: -
Combined Churches
Newport United
Williamstown Rovers
Wyndham
Little River
Newport

• Altona City (WFNL)
• Braybrook (WFNL)
• ICI Deer Park, now Deer Park (EDFL)
• Lara (GDFL)
• Laverton (WFNL)
• 
  
• Irish National Foresters
• Metro Farm
• Werribee South
• Services
• These four clubs united to form Werribee VFA in 1964

The Werribee District Football League, which evolved significantly over the years, changed its name to the Western Suburbs Football League in 1964 when four Werribee teams left to become the Werribee VFA Football Club. In 1998 the WSFL was subsumed into the Footscray District Football League, which now, as one entity, became the WRFL (now WFNL).

I started this when looking at the origin of the Laverton Football Club, thank you again Doggie Boy, but my research just took off. I’ll finish after a few more sentences: -

During the early to mid-1960s, whilst playing with Willi CYMS in the U18s Werribee DFL, I can remember playing teams such as Central Altona, West Newport, Yarraville YMCA, Newport as well as several listed above. My memory is limited as I’m now very old, therefore I’m happy to be corrected and my memory enhanced.

My research may not be 100% as football sites such as Wiki are filled only by club stalwarts, therefore there are many holes. Many clubs have had no history recorded which is a shame. I haven't been able to find anything on the Laverton guernseys, but someone will know?? Then I'll record it on Wikki.

As a request, should what I have written be NQR, please correct me, and I’ll contact the source and have them update.

Fantastic effort SS!

Can only imagine what the Laverton area was like in 1924, think the township was mostly south of the current freeway. Sorry about the 2 hours lost, perhaps I should have researched it myself!

 

[SeaSide]

Fantastic effort SS!

Can only imagine what the Laverton area was like in 1924, think the township was mostly south of the current freeway. Sorry about the 2 hours lost, perhaps I should have researched it myself!

I enjoyed doing it, even though I'm an Ammo man, I'm still a Westie.

 

[SeaSide]

As a casual observer of the WFNL, with grandsons and nephews playing with three different WFNL teams, I recently had a lightbulb moment.

The lower teams in Division 1 are struggling; Pt Cook Centrals, Altona, and Parkside have an average percentage of 87%.

In Division 2, three teams are dominating, Albion, WindhamVale and Sunshine with an average percentage of 523%.

I understand that my suggestion could be contentious, and I'm happy to take the flack. Hopefully, it will ignite some serious and positive discussion.

Season 2025 suggestion: -

• Relegate two teams from Division 1, and
• Elevate the top three dominant teams from Division 2.

Under the proposed structure, we would then consider a two up, two down scenario at the season’s end, ensuring that teams are given a fair chance to prove their worth and maintain their position in the league.

I feel for clubs that have had a spectacular season and have lost a Grand Final by a few points because good players haven’t been able to play because of injury. The defeated club requires recognition through promotion.

 

[Robos]

As a casual observer of the WFNL, with grandsons and nephews playing with three different WFNL teams, I recently had a lightbulb moment.

The lower teams in Division 1 are struggling; Pt Cook Centrals, Altona, and Parkside have an average percentage of 87%.

In Division 2, three teams are dominating, Albion, WindhamVale and Sunshine with an average percentage of 523%.

I understand that my suggestion could be contentious, and I'm happy to take the flack. Hopefully, it will ignite some serious and positive discussion.

Season 2025 suggestion: -

• Relegate two teams from Division 1, and
• Elevate the top three dominant teams from Division 2.

Under the proposed structure, we would then consider a two up, two down scenario at the season’s end, ensuring that teams are given a fair chance to prove their worth and maintain their position in the league.

I feel for clubs that have had a spectacular season and have lost a Grand Final by a few points because good players haven’t been able to play because of injury. The defeated club requires recognition through promotion.

Actually I feel div 1 is very competitive and a percentage of 87 is certainly not struggling !

 

[leo tolstoy]

As a casual observer of the WFNL, with grandsons and nephews playing with three different WFNL teams, I recently had a lightbulb moment.

The lower teams in Division 1 are struggling; Pt Cook Centrals, Altona, and Parkside have an average percentage of 87%.

In Division 2, three teams are dominating, Albion, WindhamVale and Sunshine with an average percentage of 523%.

I understand that my suggestion could be contentious, and I'm happy to take the flack. Hopefully, it will ignite some serious and positive discussion.

Season 2025 suggestion: -

• Relegate two teams from Division 1, and
• Elevate the top three dominant teams from Division 2.

Under the proposed structure, we would then consider a two up, two down scenario at the season’s end, ensuring that teams are given a fair chance to prove their worth and maintain their position in the league.

I feel for clubs that have had a spectacular season and have lost a Grand Final by a few points because good players haven’t been able to play because of injury. The defeated club requires recognition through promotion.

Understand your thinking but really the 3 teams should been put into Div 1 when Div 3 was canned

 

[churner]

As a casual observer of the WFNL, with grandsons and nephews playing with three different WFNL teams, I recently had a lightbulb moment.

The lower teams in Division 1 are struggling; Pt Cook Centrals, Altona, and Parkside have an average percentage of 87%.

In Division 2, three teams are dominating, Albion, WindhamVale and Sunshine with an average percentage of 523%.

I understand that my suggestion could be contentious, and I'm happy to take the flack. Hopefully, it will ignite some serious and positive discussion.

Season 2025 suggestion: -

• Relegate two teams from Division 1, and
• Elevate the top three dominant teams from Division 2.

Under the proposed structure, we would then consider a two up, two down scenario at the season’s end, ensuring that teams are given a fair chance to prove their worth and maintain their position in the league.

I feel for clubs that have had a spectacular season and have lost a Grand Final by a few points because good players haven’t been able to play because of injury. The defeated club requires recognition through promotion.

None of those Div 1 clubs are 'struggling'. All of them led WD at HT (two at 3QT, both lost by under 13 points). Altona lost to 2nd placed YSE by 1 and 3rd placed CS by 6. Parkside trailed YSE by 1 early in Q4 and led at 3QT v CS. PCC beat YSE and have apparently been scuppered by availability issues. As competitive as it's ever been.

Albion and Sunshine's best could compete, but Parkside only beat Albion at the death last year and went on a recruitment drive for the step up, including the form forward of the comp in Condon. Wyndhamvale can't be accurately judged as they haven't played any of the top 4 yet; they'll face them all in the next month.

 

[Dogs till i die]

As a casual observer of the WFNL, with grandsons and nephews playing with three different WFNL teams, I recently had a lightbulb moment.

The lower teams in Division 1 are struggling; Pt Cook Centrals, Altona, and Parkside have an average percentage of 87%.

In Division 2, three teams are dominating, Albion, WindhamVale and Sunshine with an average percentage of 523%.

I understand that my suggestion could be contentious, and I'm happy to take the flack. Hopefully, it will ignite some serious and positive discussion.

Season 2025 suggestion: -

• Relegate two teams from Division 1, and
• Elevate the top three dominant teams from Division 2.

Under the proposed structure, we would then consider a two up, two down scenario at the season’s end, ensuring that teams are given a fair chance to prove their worth and maintain their position in the league.

I feel for clubs that have had a spectacular season and have lost a Grand Final by a few points because good players haven’t been able to play because of injury. The defeated club requires recognition through promotion.

Our D1 is very competitive and I'm enjoying watching close, competitive games this year. I'm also confident that either Albion and Sunshine can step up and compete in D1 in 2025. A 10 team D1, 18 game season is the objective.

Using your analogy of the average % of the bottom 3 teams in the top division, WFNL is 87%, EDFL is 66%, NFNL is 63%, EFL is 51%, SFNL is 48% and the VAFA is 79%. Our D1 is going OK.

The problem in the WFNL currently is that only 11 clubs could compete in D1, the quality drops off alarmingly. What the comp needs is some of the Ď2 clubs to emerge and improve - maybe the likes of Newport, Wyndhamvale, Suns and West Footscray or quality clubs join from outside the league (unlikely).

What it doesn't need is more clubs leaving.

23 senior clubs is an awkward number, probably too many for 2 divisions, not enough for 3. The lopsided D2 tells me 3 divs would suit better right now, perhaps with Manor Lakes, Glenorden back and one other we'd have enough for 3 competitive divisions.

 

[SeaSide]

Our D1 is very competitive and I'm enjoying watching close, competitive games this year. I'm also confident that either Albion and Sunshine can step up and compete in D1 in 2025. A 10 team D1, 18 game season is the objective.

Using your analogy of the average % of the bottom 3 teams in the top division, WFNL is 87%, EDFL is 66%, NFNL is 63%, EFL is 51%, SFNL is 48% and the VAFA is 79%. Our D1 is going OK.

The problem in the WFNL currently is that only 11 clubs could compete in D1, the quality drops off alarmingly. What the comp needs is some of the Ď2 clubs to emerge and improve - maybe the likes of Newport, Wyndhamvale, Suns and West Footscray or quality clubs join from outside the league (unlikely).

What it doesn't need is more clubs leaving.

23 senior clubs is an awkward number, probably too many for 2 divisions, not enough for 3. The lopsided D2 tells me 3 divs would suit better right now, perhaps with Manor Lakes, Glenorden back and one other we'd have enough for 3 competitive divisions.

Agree, (reluctantly).

 

[Squeeky Clean]

Albion and Sunshine should be in div 1.

Newport not miles off either.

The league needs to make the change.

Div 2 sorts itself out then, and Div 1 will be just as competitive