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A bit of banter is fine, but too many people do not know where the line is drawn. It's just simple common sense, but a number of people do lack that.Fair enough... I'm someone who likes to indulge in the odd bit of piss-taking at times though, that's just my nature
I absolutely disagree. I believe that if he wants to get to Collingwood badly enough, and it seems that the club wants that to happen as well, then he will. If he enters the National Draft, then I don't believe another club will select him unless he agrees beforehand, and he can also request terms to put other clubs off, and then re-negotiate those terms if he chooses once he has been selected by the club of his choice. Ball is on the Executive Committee of the AFLPA, so I'm sure he knows it's quite possible.
Firstly, I have heard people say that he was wrong regarding Aaron Davey, but I have not seen anything that proves that. I believe that Essendon were definitely keen on him at the very least. Secondly, I don't believe that he is wrong regarding Luke Ball. I felt confident from what I heard that he does not want to play for Melbourne, and that was before Greg Denham said the same thing. Of course there is no evidence regarding that as well, but I definitely trust the person that I spoke to about it.
This is laughable!
Most media commentators suggested that Luke Ball was worth a second round draft pick because of his injury concerns, his lack of pace and his lack of kicking penetration. Collingwood reluctantly agreed to St.Kilda's request of Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, which just happens to be a second round draft pick. Collingwood were also prepared to trade Sharrod Wellingham along with pick #30 to North Melbourne to receive pick #25 in return, even though it was a bad deal, but St.Kilda rejected that offer as well. Who can't afford whom?
Surely you don't mean Collingwood. There is enough room in their salary cap to fit both Luke Ball and Andrew Welsh, and they are also trying to backload other contracts so that Ball can request terms above his worth to put other clubs off. Those terms would then be re-negotiated within draft rules as I have previously explained, once he is selected by Collingwood.
Firstly, I believe that Luke Ball will nominate for the National Draft, and Dean Bailey has already confirmed that they will not use any National Draft picks on him. Secondly, I strongly believe that Ball does not want to play for Melbourne, and Dean Bailey also confirmed that they will not be selecting a player in the National Draft that does not want to play for them beforehand. Thirdly, while Melbourne does have the salary cap space, they do not have the money to simply throw away on a player that requests above his worth in an effort to get to his desired club. I don't believe that any club will do that unless he has agreed to play for them beforehand so that his contract can be re-negotiated afterwards.
It's easy to say that without elaborating, but in what way?
I disagree. I believe that restricted free agency will discourage clubs from treating players as commodities.
I'm not going to meltdown over anything of course because I have never said that I know where Luke Ball is going to play next season, and I have never stated that I am certain of anything. I do believe that he does not want to play for Melbourne though, and I feel strongly about that. I believe that Collingwood is still his preferred destination, and I also feel strongly about that.
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So what's the "news" that you mentioned earlier? That you're a dill? If so, then that's not news.
Have a lolly. Mum used to give me one to make me feel better when I didn't like something.
I didn't ignore it. I didn't notice it, but it's nearly 6 AM here, so I'm not going to respond to it all now though.
I don't believe that Brisbane will select him if he does not agree to move interstate beforehand. I also believe that it would be easy to nominate terms that Brisbane won't be able to fit in their salary cap, and I have no idea how they could possibly fit him in anyway. They do not have very much room at all with their many highly paid players, and a lower salary cap compared to when they won three successive premierships. As I've mentioned before, I don't think that Brisbane will select him.
No, he knew that he would not be going to Collingwood in the Pre-Season Draft. He wanted to join Collingwood in trade week, but when Port Adelaide wouldn't deal, he then agreed to join Carlton. I don't believe that Luke Ball will agree to join Melbourne though.
I don't know why you are bringing this up when it has nothing to do with the Luke Ball situation. Firstly, Nick Stevens was in Adelaide, and his main priority was to move back to Melbourne. That is not the case with Ball. Secondly, Stevens nominated for the Pre-Season Draft, but I believe that Ball will nominate for the National Draft in an effort to prevent the teams with an early pick from selecting him because they need to use those picks on young players.
I think he will do what he can to get to the club of his choice. He may refuse a medical screening, and he may demand terms that will put other clubs off before re-negotiating those terms once selected. I heard Liam Pickering and Hutchy on SEN online earlier state they think it's very unlikely that he will stay at St.Kilda, and that Collingwood still seems his most likely destination even though it's going to be tricky to get there. It seems that most people have heard that he doesn't want to play for Melbourne now.
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Funny, I thought that relationship was over.
she forget to say flip flop.
true but why waste a pic on someone who doesnt want to be at your club
I actually sent her an e-mail and corrected her on a few things in her article. It seems that she is unaware that Collingwood agreed to St.Kilda's request of Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, and I also showed her that there is no difference between him and Andrejs Everitt which is the player they wanted along with a pick between 30-40. I also mentioned that it forced Ball to confront Ross Lying at Etihad Stadium regarding the hold-up. The only thing that appears accurate is the Ball doesn't want to play for Melbourne which I mentioned before anybody else.
It's clearly just an opinion, but it's coming from someone that has shown to be unfamiliar regarding what had occurred during trade week. Her opinion is based solely on the fact that St.Kilda are predicted to be a premiership contender next season. It appears that she has taken little else into account. Most radio commentators on 3AW and SEN have stated that Ball could not possibly return to St.Kilda after the way they shafted him, but the law of average says that there has to be one person that thinks he should stay, and that person has shown to be ignorant on the details.
This doesn't come as any surprise, and I had no doubt that it could occur. I also wouldn't be surprised if he told him where he can go and that his desire is to move on.
I agree with you for once. I believe that the working relationship is over. St.Kilda did not show faith in him during the season. They treated him like shit in trade week by refusing the offer they actually requested. There is even more competition for a spot in St.Kilda's midfield now, and any new contract offer will be heavily cut. Ross Lyon also lied about moving players on that were not up to the challenge of staying with St.Kilda.
That's an unfounded wives tale. In recent seasons Collingwood has completed timely trades involving Chris Tarrant, Paul Medhurst, Darren Jolly, Cameron Wood, Rhyce Shaw, and a number of others going even further back. When deals fail, it is often because other clubs do not want to trade with Collingwood such as in this case.
Well firstly she needs to look at the teams that are ahead of Collingwood in the National Draft. She has to look at their needs and their salary cap space, and whether these clubs are prepared to pick a player that has not agreed to play for them beforehand or has refused a medical screening.
No wonder I put that NeilElvis on my ignore list. I read his first sentence because it appeared in your post. Patronising me for having a strong opinion about something is weak, and not once have I cried about it all. That said, I do not believe that any club will select Luke Ball unless he agrees to play for them beforehand.
