News Tom Gillies open to Hawks move

[Roger Rogerson]

It would need to be Brisbane's 2nd and your 2nd (i.e. 30 + 33 or 33 +34 depending on which of their picks Bris is offering). That would get close.

It's probably slightly over his worth but given his contract status we won't trade him at evens, so I'd imagine that's probably what we've asked you to come up with.

2 x 2nd rounders. What a joke.

 

[dipper86]

Trade Lisle to GWS for Mohr......or pick 29 from Brisbane to GWS for Mohr.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

2 x 2nd rounders. What a joke.

It would be a joke if I said he was worth that, which i never did.

I said that that is what would be required, which is an entirely different matter.

If I was you I wouldn't be stressing anyway as I doubt Hawthorn would do that deal.

Suspect Gillies will stay where he is and you'll use your picks elsewhere, which is a win for both clubs IMO.

 

[eldorado]

It would need to be Brisbane's 2nd and your 2nd (i.e. 30 + 33 or 33 +34 depending on which of their picks Bris is offering). That would get close.

It's probably slightly over his worth but given his contract status we won't trade him at evens, so I'd imagine that's probably what we've asked you to come up with.

Gee, you think so?

 

[bigcon84]

I rate gillies but think a move to hawthorn would be a mistake as I doubt Gilles Would be in there best 6 defenders Therefore having the same issue as at Geelong if he wants more game time go to a lower club. Hell play over 10 game this year and probably more next year

 

[Goady138]

I rate gillies but think a move to hawthorn would be a mistake as I doubt Gilles Would be in there best 6 defenders Therefore having the same issue as at Geelong if he wants more game time go to a lower club. Hell play over 10 game this year and probably more next year

But Gillies can bring the inside goss to Waverley.

 

[westaussie76]

Yes. Lets look elsewhere. Or build on what we have. Just rubbing Geelong's ego again and again.
What about this guy Boumann. Any good? Can we do a deal with GWS for him?

What's wrong with giving Lisle a go in the back line? He's go kilos on him and tall. If he hadn't of gotten that facial injury I think he could have cemented a spot forward or back. I wouldn't trade him to Brisbane for a crack at Gillies. Silly. Lisle already has firsts games up his sleeve and we know what we have there and can shape him.

Yep got me stuffed too. Give a player a handful of games and expect him to be an instant superstar defender, just doesn't make sense IMO.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Worth is a funny thing - but we've just traded Renouf for pick 33 (fringe player, premiership player, 50 games experience, some limitations but also some strengths) and we're most likely going to trade Lisle for pick 29-ish (fringe player, handful of games, KPP, promising but can't crack the side).

By my reckoning Gilles - who I admittedly know little about - who is a fringe player, with promise and very few games to his name, and who is also contracted - should go for a similar price to Lisle


Shouldn't he?

Or is it more based on the fact that Geelong want to be paid significantly more because we're a close competitor and they need him for succession planning when Scarlett goes?

 

[Rosso]

The fact that he's under contract also means there needs to be a sweetener to get the deal done. So yes, if the Hawks want him, they will pay overs.

Compensation for Lisle and Renouf look likely to be pretty much the same price. Key difference is that Hawthorn is obviously prepared to trade them out, where Geelong wants to hold onto Gillies.

Lets face fact's, hardly a lot of big names changing places so far this week but picks have seemed to be around the mid 20's to late 30's so pretty much second rounders in any other year. Says a bit about this years draft me thinks.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Worth is a funny thing - but we've just traded Renouf for pick 33 (fringe player, premiership player, 50 games experience, some limitations but also some strengths) and we're most likely going to trade Lisle for pick 29-ish (fringe player, handful of games, KPP, promising but can't crack the side).

By my reckoning Gilles - who I admittedly know little about - who is a fringe player, with promise and very few games to his name, and who is also contracted - should go for a similar price to Lisle

Shouldn't he?

Or is it more based on the fact that Geelong want to be paid significantly more because we're a close competitor and they need him for succession planning when Scarlett goes?

Is Lisle contracted? Because if not there's the difference in circumstance.

In Renouf's case, it may well be that your club decided Bailey was first choice and thus other than injuries, Renouf wouldn't play much in 2012 and therefore his trade value would be less in 12 months time, hence accepting the offer now. By contrast, with Scarlett basically declaring next year to be his last, and our rotation selection policy this year, it may well be the list management team thinks he's likely to play a lot more next year than he did this year, and therefore his trade value isn't likely to be worse in 12 months time, and may well be better. Throw in the fact that thanks to the sub rule it's easier to find a reasonable ruckman if you want to trade one, than to find a reasonable tall defender or tall forward, which influences trade value as well. That's certainly all possible at least.

Anyway, to your question. I wouldn't say the "flag rival" thing is the main issue, yes fans of both clubs will probably talk as if it is, but in the club's mind they are probably looking as long term as they are short term, so I doubt it would be about "we're less likely to win in 2012 if we play Hawthorn and they get Gillies". I'd say it's more about the fact that our defensive group is an old group (Taylor's the youngest and he'll be 26 next year) we haven't drafted really any other tall types in defence except Gillies, so it seems like from the outside that he's pretty much the succession plan, and the club would be concerned therefore about cutting him loose when most of the defensive group will be gone within 3 years, and he's already had 3 years of development so he's the most readymade replacement we've got and very much needed. If you look at some of the other fringe players we've traded over the years, they were guys who had competition for spots so even though we wanted to keep them, we had other options. If Scarlett goes in 12 months as he's suggesting, Gillies really has very little if any competition as the next tall defender in. And they would probably venture that if he was traded we'd have to trade for another young key defender, which isn't easy, and would likely cost more than whatever we get for Gillies.

Throw all those factors in, let alone whatever is thought of the strength of this draft, and that's probably why to trade him they'd demand at least more than what he originally cost (pick 33), I doubt that's a Hawthorn specific thing, I'd suspect that given how needed he is for the list, our position would probably be the same no matter who came calling.

 

[bumsonseats]

Idont think that Gillies suits our needs.....we already have enough defenders in the 191cm range......we need that taller bigger bodied defender. So I would be very reluctant to offer up 2 x 2nd round picks for something that we already have a surplus of. Notwithstanding, I dont think Geelong would let him go for 2 2nd round picks anyway......so that might well be that.

I cant see this one being done.......

 

[beta_condition]

I believe Lisle has 1 year left,I fail to wrap my head around why we're so willing to see what we can get for him and still be so interested in gillies

 

[eldorado]

I believe Lisle has 1 year left,I fail to wrap my head around why we're so willing to see what we can get for him and still be so interested in gillies

It could be a case of Lisle wanting out for more opportunities elsewhere.

 

[Harper_Hawk]

It could be a case of Lisle wanting out for more opportunities elsewhere.

In preseason training. Lets put Lisle in a Geelong jumper. Call him Gillies for the whole summer and when we start R1 fool him into wearing a Hawks one. Will that make HFC happy?

 

[Brant]

Idont think that Gillies suits our needs.....we already have enough defenders in the 191cm range......we need that taller bigger bodied defender. So I would be very reluctant to offer up 2 x 2nd round picks for something that we already have a surplus of. Notwithstanding, I dont think Geelong would let him go for 2 2nd round picks anyway......so that might well be that.

I cant see this one being done.......

Pretty much nailed it IMO.

The flip side of this evil coin is that 2 x 2nd Rounders would be worth far more to Geelong than it might be to another team. Geelong have masterfully got great performance out of what is comparatively an ancient list. The last thing we need to be doing is giving them 2 extra 2nd Rounders so that they replenish their list with talented youth... Especially when we would stand to gain someone that I don't believe we need.

The price would be far too high, on multiple levels.

 

[bumsonseats]

I was just had another read of Tom Gillies profile on the GFC website, and I dont mind what I see. He is a genuine defender, good in the one-on-one and has good foot speed. I dont know much about his disposal, but if wanted someone that couldnt kick, we would have picked up M.Warnock for nothing.

He would def be an upgrade on Gilham, and I am sure we could play him as a genuine FB. In retrospect, I dont mind the sound of this trade, but I think we still lack a 195cm KPD........

But I still cant see Geelong allowing this to happen

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Man, people are hung up on centimetres.

 

[Goldnbrown]

^^^^ just thinking the same a 195cms defender is 2.09 % taller than a 191cm one

 

[plin9142]

Man, people are hung up on centimetres.

So true. Trent Croad was 190cm. Grant Birchall is 193cm.

Go figure..

 

[eldorado]

Man, people are hung up on centimetres.

Spot on.

Now, can you come over and explain that to my wife?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Its a toss up between girth, length and closing speed


also sensing a great deal of love for hairy backs and chests round here too

 

[TAITA]

Its a toss up between girth, length and closing speed


also sensing a great deal of love for hairy backs and chests round here too

Add in motorcycle chains and you've just won eldo for life.....

 

[IBleedBrownNGold]

It's not about the size, it's what you can do with what you've got.

(Am I doing it right?)

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

^^^^ just thinking the same a 195cms defender is 2.09 % taller than a 191cm one

So true. Trent Croad was 190cm. Grant Birchall is 193cm.

Go figure..

Yep!
Some players play tall, others can't.

Gillies can't be the player we want because he's only 192cm!


Scarlett, who is renowned as the best FB in the last 10-15 years is 192cm.

 

[dipper86]

Yep!
Some players play tall, others can't.

Gillies can't be the player we want because he's only 192cm!


Scarlett, who is renowned as the best FB in the last 10-15 years is 192cm.

He hasn't played KP defence in 2 to 3 years. In saying that its a suitable height.