List Mgmt. 2015 Trade & Free Agency Hellscape Discussion Thread (PG546: Anderson PG732: Bastinac)

[Heaps of fun]

Wouldn't mind returning to Melbourne, has had a bit of a falling out with Lyon as he persistently plays him as a small forward, isn't allowed in the midfield anymore apparently.

Never change, Ross.

 

[Higgins2Waite]

Wouldn't mind returning to Melbourne, has had a bit of a falling out with Lyon as he persistently plays him as a small forward, isn't allowed in the midfield anymore apparently.

Cheers for the insight. My info was way off then. I heard from a mate in the know down at Freo that he doesn't have the capacity to play in the midfield like he once did. Hence the half-forward role.

 

[Arden]

Would do subject to a head assessment

That explains why Swallow is our captain.

 

[Grogg]

Dead right mate, I also like how people think this club won't suffer injuries, strong depth is good.


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We do have strong depth. It's all inside, where Bastinac plays his best footy.

Outside it's pretty thin, where Bastinac is being asked to play, but for whatever reasons the club see's him as not being good enough at the role, hence him being on the outer.

The arguments being put forward by some here have nothing to do with how they see him as a footballer, but how the club see him and the role they need him to play.

 

[75-77-96-99]

Looks like we won't land Stanton either

No big fish for us this year guys...

stanton - big fish?????? dont think so

 

[Juryduty]

We do have strong depth. It's all inside, where Bastinac plays his best footy.

Outside it's pretty thin, where Bastinac is being asked to play, but for whatever reasons the club see's him as not being good enough at the role, hence him being on the outer.

The arguments being put forward by some here have nothing to do with how they see him as a footballer, but how the club see him and the role they need him to play.

I guess my argument is, sure get rid of him but not for steak knifes. Need to improve our list.
To me any pick over 25 in this weak draft is steak knives.


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[Pykie]

Cheers for the insight. My info was way off then. I heard from a mate in the know down at Freo that he doesn't have the capacity to play in the midfield like he once did. Hence the half-forward role.

Definitely not. Lets just say my source is better than yours.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Lyon doesn't want him in the midfield because he turns it over too much correct?

I wouldn't be against getting Barlow, would allow Ziebell to spend a considerable amount of time forward more.

He can kick a goal too when he drifts forward.

 

[Only Forwards]

Definitely not. Lets just say my source is better than yours.

?

 

[Rooboy 96]

Barlow would be a good get

again.

 

[ShiNoBi]

stanton - big fish?????? dont think so

If he is a zooplankton, you are a phytoplankton like Englena

 

[Mordecai]

He is the same age as Higgins.

He also runs a 2.89.

He is a hell of a lot quicker than Ziebell, Cunnington, Bastinac and Gibson.

That amazes me

 

[King Hansen]

Definitely not. Lets just say my source is better than yours.

Barlow himself I bet.

 

[XU1-ROO]

Would have Rohan before Barlow.

Ok you can throw tomatoes at me now.

 

[NMFCARSENAL98]

again.

**** up . I am allowed an opinion opinion you deadset peanut

 

[toepoker]

If he was a Collingwood player we would get a lot more than what we will end up with, our club is just bad at trading out player, and trading in general. Stick to free agency.

Harsh I reckon. People talk about being a "destination club", that at least partly relates to how we treat players on the way in & the way out of the club. Collingwood can afford to be dicks over trades, they'll never lack players wanting to go there & "Eddie's mates" can set them up after footy. We are good employers I reckon.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Lyon doesn't want him in the midfield because he turns it over too much correct?

I wouldn't be against getting Barlow, would allow Ziebell to spend a considerable amount of time forward more.

He can kick a goal too when he drifts forward.

are you talking about

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[Rooboy 96]

**** up . I am allowed an opinion opinion you deadset peanut

I never told you to stop posting your opinion, I enjoy a good laugh.

 

[Tas]

Bastinac knows he's being played out of position, the club finally does too.

Both parties also know that he is about 5th in line in his best position and is not going to be given ample opportunity to play that role.

Both parties have him in the surplus category, or another term could be "no man's land".

There are plenty of valid arguments to suggest that 20-30 is selling him at unders, but there is also the flipside that he want's an opportunity to show his best, we can't provide that and are happy to let go a guy that can't give what we need.

It's for this reason that I believe we will accept a pick in the 20's, back ourselves to get a young guy in who meets a more pressing need in outside pace/skill, free up some cap space on a guy who for various reasons isn't delivering and both parties will walk away happy.

This is the crux of the problem with the club. We play too many players out of position. We recruit too many players who play the same role and we have nowhere to play them. Most of the kids recruited haven't been developed to understand they need to perform and play with consistency, we have never demanded it under Scott for so many years and it is a shock to the system now.

But if you justify getting rid of Bastinac then how can we value Ziebell and give him 6 years, based on what output? Is he better or more consistent than Bastinac? I'm a huge fan of Ziebell but we have manufactured a position for him, he isn't any good in the middle, not consistently. In the finals he had 23 disposals @ 52.2% DE vs Richmond, 25 @ 52% vs Swans and 16 @ 56.2% vs Eagles, that is 64 disposals, 34 effective @ 11 per game.

Based on the criteria we judge Bastinac we could justify pushing out most of the players developed by Scott since he came here.

If Bastinac is shit he is symptomatic of a shit system of development and that should be an alarm bell for the club that someone who has played 6 years and racked up 121 games and was one of our core players is washed up. Is Bastinac the exception or is he the canary in the coal mine?

Why is he washed up? Why weren't we able to get the best out of someone who averaged 22 disposals and kicked 20 goals the year prior to getting Dal Santo in? This to me is a bigger problem and dilemma than what value we can salvage from a trade.

 

[Grogg]

I guess my argument is, sure get rid of him but not for steak knifes. Need to improve our list.
To me any pick over 25 in this weak draft is steak knives.


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No argument with that.

I think Aish is gone to Collingwood whichever way you dice it. IMO Bastinac won''t feature in any trade for him, (which is a shame and all supporters would have been happy if it involved Aish getting a blue n white guernsey.)

I think the club are happy to back themselves in and land a decent player at around the 20 to 25 mark.

 

[MaddAdam]

This is the crux of the problem with the club. We play too many players out of position. We recruit too many players who play the same role and we have nowhere to play them. Most of the kids recruited haven't been developed to understand they need to perform and play with consistency, we have never demanded it under Scott for so many years and it is a shock to the system now.

But if you justify getting rid of Bastinac then how can we value Ziebell and give him 6 years, based on what output? Is he better or more consistent than Bastinac? I'm a huge fan of Ziebell but we have manufactured a position for him, he isn't any good in the middle, not consistently. In the finals he had 23 disposals @ 52.2% DE vs Richmond, 25 @ 52% vs Swans and 16 @ 56.2% vs Eagles, that is 64 disposals, 34 effective @ 11 per game.

Based on the criteria we judge Bastinac we could justify pushing out most of the players developed by Scott since he came here.

If Bastinac is shit he is symptomatic of a shit system of development and that should be an alarm bell for the club that someone who has played 6 years and racked up 121 games and was one of our core players is washed up. Is Bastinac the exception or is he the canary in the coal mine?

Why is he washed up? Why weren't we able to get the best out of someone who averaged 22 disposals and kicked 20 goals the year prior to getting Dal Santo in? This to me is a bigger problem and dilemma than what value we can salvage from a trade.

Thewlis Dish - see above.

 

[Dodecahedron]

Our ability to get Aish in this trade period is a little bit like this board's ability to get to 1000 pages.
I don't think we'll get there and I don't really care any more.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

**** up . I am allowed an opinion opinion you deadset peanut

 

[Higgins2Waite]

Definitely not. Lets just say my source is better than yours.

Probably true. Mine is no longer on the list.

 

[75-77-96-99]

If he is a zooplankton, you are a phytoplankton like Englena

are u saying that im asexual